Just legalize marijuana and everything will be fine

Whoops, since the Mexican drug cartels can't make enough of a profit from smuggling marijuana, heroin smuggling has increased 300% and methamphetamine 200%. Does the radical left want to legalize heroin now?

Don't think I'm a radical anything, but yes we should legalize all illicit drugs. Last thing any cop wants is being killed over something that's made legal next week. Murder and theft and violent acts will never be made legal. But drug prohibitions come and go depending on the political climate, and no officer wants to get killed over something only illegal right now.
 
We are being strangled by our own outdated drug laws

We lead the world in incarceration and yet we are not making a dent in the drug trade
 
We are being strangled by our own outdated drug laws

We lead the world in incarceration and yet we are not making a dent in the drug trade

Well, if all of your incarceration stats were about drugs then it might be a valid point. The problem that no one wants to tango with is that this crap about legalization will cut out whomever simply puts change in a specific class of people's pocket. It doesn't change the economic needs of the people (lower level dealers) that were dealing the drugs to begin with. Gangs existed long before and they will exist long after.
 
We are being strangled by our own outdated drug laws

We lead the world in incarceration and yet we are not making a dent in the drug trade

Well, if all of your incarceration stats were about drugs then it might be a valid point. The problem that no one wants to tango with is that this crap about legalization will cut out whomever simply puts change in a specific class of people's pocket. It doesn't change the economic needs of the people (lower level dealers) that were dealing the drugs to begin with. Gangs existed long before and they will exist long after.

Their reason for existing will no longer exist. They will have to find some new vice to get involved in
 
Whoops, since the Mexican drug cartels can't make enough of a profit from smuggling marijuana, heroin smuggling has increased 300% and methamphetamine 200%. Does the radical left want to legalize heroin now?

I want it all legalized and I'm not radical left
 
We are being strangled by our own outdated drug laws

We lead the world in incarceration and yet we are not making a dent in the drug trade

Well, if all of your incarceration stats were about drugs then it might be a valid point. The problem that no one wants to tango with is that this crap about legalization will cut out whomever simply puts change in a specific class of people's pocket. It doesn't change the economic needs of the people (lower level dealers) that were dealing the drugs to begin with. Gangs existed long before and they will exist long after.

Their reason for existing will no longer exist. They will have to find some new vice to get involved in

They don't exist for marijuana. They never did. In fact, marijuana is large and bulky and hard to conceal. That ceased to be relevant in the 1970s. Never put all of your eggs in one basket. The reality is that this is about a different class of people wanting to make some cash. Period.
 
We are being strangled by our own outdated drug laws

We lead the world in incarceration and yet we are not making a dent in the drug trade

Point isn't to make a dent or win the war on drugs. If that were the point, we'd make them all legal and win overnight.

Forbidding things people wants only makes people want them more. No one's killing other people for a beer or bottle of liquor (by and large anyway heh.) Can get that on any city street corner. People only kill and prey on others for things that are hard to come by, find, or obtain.

For the US which just loves to describe itself as a free country, we're not very free if we can't choose whichever chemical intoxicant we want but only the more dangerous ones as with alcohol, nicotine, and prescriptions narcotics. Can't fall over dead from too much THC. Can drop dead on the spot from too much alcohol or liquid-form nicotine.

The illegality of narcotics and other "drugs" is both hypocritical (given what's permitted,) and racist. There's no case to be made for public safety when alcohol's legal and kills hundreds more times the number of ALL illiicit drugs currently illegal.
 
We are being strangled by our own outdated drug laws

We lead the world in incarceration and yet we are not making a dent in the drug trade

Point isn't to make a dent or win the war on drugs. If that were the point, we'd make them all legal and win overnight.

Forbidding things people wants only makes people want them more. No one's killing other people for a beer or bottle of liquor (by and large anyway heh.) Can get that on any city street corner. People only kill and prey on others for things that are hard to come by, find, or obtain.

For the US which just loves to describe itself as a free country, we're not very free if we can't choose whichever chemical intoxicant we want but only the more dangerous ones as with alcohol, nicotine, and prescriptions narcotics. Can't fall over dead from too much THC. Can drop dead on the spot from too much alcohol or liquid-form nicotine.

The illegality of narcotics and other "drugs" is both hypocritical (given what's permitted,) and racist. There's no case to be made for public safety when alcohol's legal and kills hundreds more times the number of ALL illiicit drugs currently illegal.

Racist?

What are we making a comparison between crack and coke?
 
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The reason the cartels exist in the 1st place is because marijuana was made illegal.

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Cartels make most of their money off of heroin, meth and cocaine, not marijuana. Most of the marijuana in the US today is produced domestically. Legal Marijuana won't effect the drug cartels profit margin's significantly, and domestic producers will continue to produce marijuana, legally and illegally, as they do in Washington and Colorado.
Legal Pot in the US Is Crippling Mexican Cartels VICE News
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New cartel arises from Mexico s assault on big drug lords - San Antonio Express-News
What's your point? There is no mention of Marijuana in that article. It does however mention that this new Cartel has been able to grow because of the damage done to the other, previously more powerful cartels. Just a few months ago the most powerful cartel kingpin of all time was captured and arrested. That opened up a space for newcomers.
This is not true: cartels exist in the 1st place is because marijuana was made illegal.

Further, legalizing it has changed nothing. The most powerful cartel of all time? Name changes and a gap just allowed someone that was competing to step in to fill the spot.
The glory days of the mob were during prohibition when alcohol was made illegal. Could you imagine how many billions more the cartels would be making if alcohol was still illegal? The glory days of the cartel were made possible when Henry Anslinger led a campaign to outlaw a plant primarily because he felt that n*ggers were using it to rape white women. The first Mexican cartel established itself in the U.S. by developing an infrastructure to distribute marijuana throughout the states. They used that infrastructure to make a deal with South America's cocaine cartel's to distribute cocaine and other drugs throughout the 50 states. That was 30+ years ago in the 80's, and now look what's happening. The war on drugs is a spectacular failure, and Mexico is burning.

No cartel wants marijuana legalized in the U.S. Go ask any of them. Sure they sell other drugs and have other ways to make money, but marijuana is their easiest product to sell and distribute. Losing that steady revenue stream would be a big blow to the drug end of their business.

And I agree, I'm sure new people will step in to fill the voids left by the other cartels. That is, as long as we keep repeating the same mistakes we always have.
 
The glory days of the mob were during prohibition when alcohol was made illegal. Could you imagine how many billions more the cartels would be making if alcohol was still illegal?

I know, right? Where would the Kennedy's be? [/failed attempt at humor]

I think you are assuming that there was political will to enforce it when there wasn't. You could get a prescription from a doctor for alcohol. Many states didn't bother with it. It wasn't illegal to drink. The mafia was able to transport it and through that made connections in other cities. But, they weren't the only ones and they were already involved in money laundering, protection, extortion and other things. I think there is a bit of romancing with both the mafia and this era.


The glory days of the cartel were made possible when Henry Anslinger led a campaign to outlaw a plant primarily because he felt that n*ggers were using it to rape white women.

No. He used propaganda along with other propaganda for something that was already in the works. He was playing on the fears of others.


The first Mexican cartel established itself in the U.S. by developing an infrastructure to distribute marijuana throughout the states. They used that infrastructure to make a deal with South America's cocaine cartel's to distribute cocaine and other drugs throughout the 50 states. That was 30+ years ago in the 80's, and now look what's happening. The war on drugs is a spectacular failure, and Mexico is burning.

I'd like to see that source. The first cartels were from Columbia...Pablo Escobar and the Medellín Cartel. They were pretty established here starting in the seventies.

No cartel wants marijuana legalized in the U.S. Go ask any of them. Sure they sell other drugs and have other ways to make money, but marijuana is their easiest product to sell and distribute. Losing that steady revenue stream would be a big blow to the drug end of their business.

The market will continue to exist because the economic situation of your local dealers did not change. Legalizing marijuana did not change that. It made it into a for profit escapade for a different class of people.
 

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