Judge: Special counsel had authority to prosecute Manafort

[EvilEyeFleegle]

So much for all that nonsense:

Judge: Special counsel had authority to prosecute Manafort

"A federal judge in Washington ruled Tuesday that special counsel Robert Mueller was working within his authority when he brought charges against President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman.

The decision was a setback for Paul Manafort in his defense against charges of money-laundering conspiracy, false statements and acting as an unregistered foreign agent. Manafort had argued that Mueller had exceeded his authority because the case was unrelated to Russian election interference.

But U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson disagreed, siding with prosecutors who had produced an August 2017 memo from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. The memo shows Rosenstein authorized Mueller to investigate Manafort's Ukrainian work and related financial crimes.

Jackson had previously thrown out a civil case Manafort brought challenging Mueller's authority.


Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel's office, declined to comment.

The decision allows one of two criminal cases against Manafort to proceed.

In addition to the Washington indictment, Manafort also faces charges in Virginia of bank fraud and tax evasion. The Virginia indictment accuses him of hiding tens of millions of dollars he earned advising pro-Russia politicians in Ukraine from 2006 through 2015. It also accuses him of fraudulently obtaining millions in loans from financial institutions including while he worked for the Trump campaign."

 

[tyroneweaver]

Good make mueller pony up

 

[BlackFlag]

So much for all that nonsense:

Judge: Special counsel had authority to prosecute Manafort

"A federal judge in Washington ruled Tuesday that special counsel Robert Mueller was working within his authority when he brought charges against President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman.

The decision was a setback for Paul Manafort in his defense against charges of money-laundering conspiracy, false statements and acting as an unregistered foreign agent. Manafort had argued that Mueller had exceeded his authority because the case was unrelated to Russian election interference.

But U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson disagreed, siding with prosecutors who had produced an August 2017 memo from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. The memo shows Rosenstein authorized Mueller to investigate Manafort's Ukrainian work and related financial crimes.

Jackson had previously thrown out a civil case Manafort brought challenging Mueller's authority.


Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel's office, declined to comment.

The decision allows one of two criminal cases against Manafort to proceed.

In addition to the Washington indictment, Manafort also faces charges in Virginia of bank fraud and tax evasion. The Virginia indictment accuses him of hiding tens of millions of dollars he earned advising pro-Russia politicians in Ukraine from 2006 through 2015. It also accuses him of fraudulently obtaining millions in loans from financial institutions including while he worked for the Trump campaign."

No surprise there. Manafort will answer for his crimes.

 

[BULLDOG]

But But But------What about all those RWNJ threads bragging about some judge finally ending Mueller's investigation?

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

But But But------What about all those RWNJ threads bragging about some judge finally ending Mueller's investigation?

They'll be here..moaning about how the judge was appointed by Obama...so..blah, blah, blah.

 

[tinydancer]

Liberal bitch judge. Of course she sided with Mueller.

 

[BULLDOG]

Liberal bitch judge. Of course she sided with Mueller.

Didn't have to wait long for that one, did we?

 

[beagle9]

If Manafort wasn't connected to the case for Russia collusion, then how was Mueller justified in doing anything to or against Manafort under the guidelines of the probe into collusion ?? I can understand if Mueller stumbled across something while checking records or questioning a possible suspect in the case, otherwise to then refer that matter to the DOJ for further investigation into the suspect as an unrelated matter not related to the case at hand, but not him take it on himself.

Mueller has no right what so ever to go off track from the original charge given him by those who had appointed him to investigate the specific charge of collusion. No collusion, no charge. The taxpayers deserve better than the corruption that we are dealing with in Washington, and our tax money should be used in a more transparent way than this crock of bullcrap that is going on.

Mueller isn't in charge of the DOJ, the FBI, the Supreme Court nor should he be. He has been appointed to investigate a charge of collusion based on his prior service as an investigator, and if stumbles across anything unrelated to his specific charge, he then must refer that to the justice Dept for them to investigate the matter as a separate issue as was found in which is again unrelated to the original charge Mueller had been appointed to investigate.

Allowing the rules to be bent or broken all due to a probe that has been constructed out of a butt hurt political witch hunt based on false allegations, wild accusations, bad politics, and the biggest of all "the liberal leftist loss of their queen" has been something else to see and witness in our time.

 

[BULLDOG]

If Manafort wasn't connected to the case for Russia collusion, then how was Mueller justified in doing anything to or against Manafort under the guidelines of the probe into collusion ?? I can understand if Mueller stumbled across something while checking records or questioning a possible suspect in the case, otherwise to then refer that matter to the DOJ for further investigation into the suspect as an unrelated matter not related to the case at hand.

Mueller has no right what so ever to go off track from the original charge given him by those who had appointed him to investigate the specific charge of collusion. No collusion, no charge. The taxpayers deserve better than the corruption that we are dealing with in Washington, and our tax money should be used in a more transparent way than this crock of bullcrap that is going on.

Mueller isn't in charge of the DOJ, the FBI, the Supreme Court nor should he be. He has been appointed to investigate a charge of collusion based on his prior service as an investigator, and if stumbles across anything unrelated to his specific charge, he then must refer that to the justice Dept for them to investigate the matter as a separate issue as was found in which is again unrelated to the original charge Mueller had been appointed to investigate.

Allowing the rules to be bent or broken all due to a probe that has been constructed out of a butt hurt political witch hunt based on false allegations, wild accusations, bad politics, and the biggest of all "the liberal leftist loss of their queen" has been something else to see and witness in our time.

That judge ---- you know, the one right wingers were all bragging about a few days ago ---- seems to disagree with you.

 

[beagle9]

If Manafort wasn't connected to the case for Russia collusion, then how was Mueller justified in doing anything to or against Manafort under the guidelines of the probe into collusion ?? I can understand if Mueller stumbled across something while checking records or questioning a possible suspect in the case, otherwise to then refer that matter to the DOJ for further investigation into the suspect as an unrelated matter not related to the case at hand.

Mueller has no right what so ever to go off track from the original charge given him by those who had appointed him to investigate the specific charge of collusion. No collusion, no charge. The taxpayers deserve better than the corruption that we are dealing with in Washington, and our tax money should be used in a more transparent way than this crock of bullcrap that is going on.

Mueller isn't in charge of the DOJ, the FBI, the Supreme Court nor should he be. He has been appointed to investigate a charge of collusion based on his prior service as an investigator, and if stumbles across anything unrelated to his specific charge, he then must refer that to the justice Dept for them to investigate the matter as a separate issue as was found in which is again unrelated to the original charge Mueller had been appointed to investigate.

Allowing the rules to be bent or broken all due to a probe that has been constructed out of a butt hurt political witch hunt based on false allegations, wild accusations, bad politics, and the biggest of all "the liberal leftist loss of their queen" has been something else to see and witness in our time.

That judge ---- you know, the one right wingers were all bragging about a few days ago ---- seems to disagree with you.

Who got to her ?? She's human you know.

Think she can't be biased in this volital leftist climate that has been created ? I don't see how anyone even Trump could get a fair hearing or whatever in this environment.

Maybe we should move everything to (oh wait), there is no where not poisoned by this entire tragic affair that has now been created.

Time to end this idiocy. Everything is way to tainted now. Allowing it to go on could ultimately corrupt us all before it's over with.

 

[Crepitus]

Liberal bitch judge. Of course she sided with Mueller.

Liberal bitch judge. Of course she sided with Mueller.

BAM!

Predictably...check.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

If Manafort wasn't connected to the case for Russia collusion, then how was Mueller justified in doing anything to or against Manafort under the guidelines of the probe into collusion ?? I can understand if Mueller stumbled across something while checking records or questioning a possible suspect in the case, otherwise to then refer that matter to the DOJ for further investigation into the suspect as an unrelated matter not related to the case at hand, but not him take it on himself.

Mueller has no right what so ever to go off track from the original charge given him by those who had appointed him to investigate the specific charge of collusion. No collusion, no charge. The taxpayers deserve better than the corruption that we are dealing with in Washington, and our tax money should be used in a more transparent way than this crock of bullcrap that is going on.

Mueller isn't in charge of the DOJ, the FBI, the Supreme Court nor should he be. He has been appointed to investigate a charge of collusion based on his prior service as an investigator, and if stumbles across anything unrelated to his specific charge, he then must refer that to the justice Dept for them to investigate the matter as a separate issue as was found in which is again unrelated to the original charge Mueller had been appointed to investigate.

Allowing the rules to be bent or broken all due to a probe that has been constructed out of a butt hurt political witch hunt based on false allegations, wild accusations, bad politics, and the biggest of all "the liberal leftist loss of their queen" has been something else to see and witness in our time.

Had you actually read the OP you would have seen that Mueller has a memo from Rosenstein specifically authorizing him to investigate Manafort's Ukraine connections.

"But U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson disagreed, siding with prosecutors who had produced an August 2017 memo from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. The memo shows Rosenstein authorized Mueller to investigate Manafort's Ukrainian work and related financial crimes"

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

If Manafort wasn't connected to the case for Russia collusion, then how was Mueller justified in doing anything to or against Manafort under the guidelines of the probe into collusion ?? I can understand if Mueller stumbled across something while checking records or questioning a possible suspect in the case, otherwise to then refer that matter to the DOJ for further investigation into the suspect as an unrelated matter not related to the case at hand.

Mueller has no right what so ever to go off track from the original charge given him by those who had appointed him to investigate the specific charge of collusion. No collusion, no charge. The taxpayers deserve better than the corruption that we are dealing with in Washington, and our tax money should be used in a more transparent way than this crock of bullcrap that is going on.

Mueller isn't in charge of the DOJ, the FBI, the Supreme Court nor should he be. He has been appointed to investigate a charge of collusion based on his prior service as an investigator, and if stumbles across anything unrelated to his specific charge, he then must refer that to the justice Dept for them to investigate the matter as a separate issue as was found in which is again unrelated to the original charge Mueller had been appointed to investigate.

Allowing the rules to be bent or broken all due to a probe that has been constructed out of a butt hurt political witch hunt based on false allegations, wild accusations, bad politics, and the biggest of all "the liberal leftist loss of their queen" has been something else to see and witness in our time.

That judge ---- you know, the one right wingers were all bragging about a few days ago ---- seems to disagree with you.

Who got to her ?? She's human you know.

Think she can't be biased in this volital leftist climate that has been created ? I don't see how anyone even Trump could get a fair hearing or whatever in this environment.

Maybe we should move everything to (oh wait), there is no where not poisoned by this entire tragic affair that has now been created.

Time to end this idiocy. Everything is way to tainted now. Allowing it to go on could ultimately corrupt us all before it's over with.

In a word...no.

 

[beagle9]

If Manafort wasn't connected to the case for Russia collusion, then how was Mueller justified in doing anything to or against Manafort under the guidelines of the probe into collusion ?? I can understand if Mueller stumbled across something while checking records or questioning a possible suspect in the case, otherwise to then refer that matter to the DOJ for further investigation into the suspect as an unrelated matter not related to the case at hand, but not him take it on himself.

Mueller has no right what so ever to go off track from the original charge given him by those who had appointed him to investigate the specific charge of collusion. No collusion, no charge. The taxpayers deserve better than the corruption that we are dealing with in Washington, and our tax money should be used in a more transparent way than this crock of bullcrap that is going on.

Mueller isn't in charge of the DOJ, the FBI, the Supreme Court nor should he be. He has been appointed to investigate a charge of collusion based on his prior service as an investigator, and if stumbles across anything unrelated to his specific charge, he then must refer that to the justice Dept for them to investigate the matter as a separate issue as was found in which is again unrelated to the original charge Mueller had been appointed to investigate.

Allowing the rules to be bent or broken all due to a probe that has been constructed out of a butt hurt political witch hunt based on false allegations, wild accusations, bad politics, and the biggest of all "the liberal leftist loss of their queen" has been something else to see and witness in our time.

Had you actually read the OP you would have seen that Mueller has a memo from Rosenstein specifically authorizing him to investigate Manafort's Ukraine connections.

"But U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson disagreed, siding with prosecutors who had produced an August 2017 memo from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. The memo shows Rosenstein authorized Mueller to investigate Manafort's Ukrainian work and related financial crimes"

Rosenstein ?? You mean that huge conflict of interest character, who should have recused himself long ago ??

 

[Care4all]

1 down... in the Full Court Press coming from the trump side in trying to discredit this special counsel investigation...

 

[Care4all]

If Manafort wasn't connected to the case for Russia collusion, then how was Mueller justified in doing anything to or against Manafort under the guidelines of the probe into collusion ?? I can understand if Mueller stumbled across something while checking records or questioning a possible suspect in the case, otherwise to then refer that matter to the DOJ for further investigation into the suspect as an unrelated matter not related to the case at hand, but not him take it on himself.

Mueller has no right what so ever to go off track from the original charge given him by those who had appointed him to investigate the specific charge of collusion. No collusion, no charge. The taxpayers deserve better than the corruption that we are dealing with in Washington, and our tax money should be used in a more transparent way than this crock of bullcrap that is going on.

Mueller isn't in charge of the DOJ, the FBI, the Supreme Court nor should he be. He has been appointed to investigate a charge of collusion based on his prior service as an investigator, and if stumbles across anything unrelated to his specific charge, he then must refer that to the justice Dept for them to investigate the matter as a separate issue as was found in which is again unrelated to the original charge Mueller had been appointed to investigate.

Allowing the rules to be bent or broken all due to a probe that has been constructed out of a butt hurt political witch hunt based on false allegations, wild accusations, bad politics, and the biggest of all "the liberal leftist loss of their queen" has been something else to see and witness in our time.

Had you actually read the OP you would have seen that Mueller has a memo from Rosenstein specifically authorizing him to investigate Manafort's Ukraine connections.

"But U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson disagreed, siding with prosecutors who had produced an August 2017 memo from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. The memo shows Rosenstein authorized Mueller to investigate Manafort's Ukrainian work and related financial crimes"

Rosenstein ?? You mean that huge conflict of interest character, who should have recused himself long ago ??

the problem with that.... is that President Trump said that the letter he ASKED Rosenstein to write, had nothing to do with why he fired Comey....therefore it is not a conflict of interest.

If President Trump had stuck with his initial "story" that he was firing Comey because of what Rosenstein and Sessions had written up for him,

then there would be a straight up conflict of interest with Rosenstein in the possible Obstruction of Justice case against President Trump....but NOT in the Russian Influence Investigation.

Yet, since President Trump told the Russian envoy in the Oval Office, and Lester Holt, that he was the one who made the decision and he was the one who was going to fire Comey anyway, because of the Russia Investigation....

It throws the Rosenstein and Sessions memo written for President Trump about Comey, out the window... and not even a part of this case.... is what I am thinking....

 

[BULLDOG]

If Manafort wasn't connected to the case for Russia collusion, then how was Mueller justified in doing anything to or against Manafort under the guidelines of the probe into collusion ?? I can understand if Mueller stumbled across something while checking records or questioning a possible suspect in the case, otherwise to then refer that matter to the DOJ for further investigation into the suspect as an unrelated matter not related to the case at hand.

Mueller has no right what so ever to go off track from the original charge given him by those who had appointed him to investigate the specific charge of collusion. No collusion, no charge. The taxpayers deserve better than the corruption that we are dealing with in Washington, and our tax money should be used in a more transparent way than this crock of bullcrap that is going on.

Mueller isn't in charge of the DOJ, the FBI, the Supreme Court nor should he be. He has been appointed to investigate a charge of collusion based on his prior service as an investigator, and if stumbles across anything unrelated to his specific charge, he then must refer that to the justice Dept for them to investigate the matter as a separate issue as was found in which is again unrelated to the original charge Mueller had been appointed to investigate.

Allowing the rules to be bent or broken all due to a probe that has been constructed out of a butt hurt political witch hunt based on false allegations, wild accusations, bad politics, and the biggest of all "the liberal leftist loss of their queen" has been something else to see and witness in our time.

That judge ---- you know, the one right wingers were all bragging about a few days ago ---- seems to disagree with you.

Who got to her ?? She's human you know.

Think she can't be biased in this volital leftist climate that has been created ? I don't see how anyone even Trump could get a fair hearing or whatever in this environment.

Maybe we should move everything to (oh wait), there is no where not poisoned by this entire tragic affair that has now been created.

Time to end this idiocy. Everything is way to tainted now. Allowing it to go on could ultimately corrupt us all before it's over with.

For the right wing, this whole thing has become a giant conspiracy theory involving some mysterious DEEP STATE, that is being controlled by Obama, or Hillary. It;s hard to tell who they think is running the whole thing, because it keeps changing. And like all other conspiracy theories, anything that doesn't fit the "Conspiracy Narrative" is immediately considered to be part of the imagined cover up. Congratulations. The right wing in now on equal footing with people who believe in Big Foot, Chem Trails, and the Bilderburg Conspiracies. I knew it was just a matter of time after Trump's election before that would happen.

 

[del]

Who got to her ?? She's human you know.

Think she can't be biased in this volital leftist climate that has been created ? I don't see how anyone even Trump could get a fair hearing or whatever in this environment.

Maybe we should move everything to (oh wait), there is no where not poisoned by this entire tragic affair that has now been created.

Time to end this idiocy. Everything is way to tainted now. Allowing it to go on could ultimately corrupt us all before it's over with.

you're right

send the cheeto a letter urging him to resign before he corrupts everything

 

[beagle9]

1 down... in the Full Court Press coming from the trump side in trying to discredit this special counsel investigation...

If Mueller has anything of value at this point, otherwise towards his investigation into collusion, and he refused to place it into discovery for those being investigated, in order for them to mount a proper defense against, then it places his investigation into a taxpayer funded witch hunt category, and not into a properly run investigation/investigative category......

Remember all parties are considered innocent until proven guilty or otherwise within a timely manner, and they and their lawyers are presented with any and all information that is being discovered in the investigation in order to mount their defense against such discovery.

No one, and I mean no one likes a sneaky bunch of snakes or snake who seemingly isn't conducting themselves or himself in an honorable manner when running what is supposed to be a transparent and honorable investigation into collusion.

This makes Mueller look like a pure piece of crap by the way he and his team has conducted this investigation in the face of all American citizens that demand better from their peers or appointed officials regardless of what capacity they serve in.

Is Mueller a snake slithering about the ground trying to poison our very justice system as we know it in this country, and all because he wants to manipulate the outcome in order to protect his conflicting interest in this entire fiasco ?? One year for an allegation of collusion ?? Kidding me right ? If anything he has outted the FBI and others for the sorry lot of leaders that they were in all of this, and he is dragging everyone into the cesspool as he attempts to formulate something that wasn't never there to begin with.

 

[Crepitus]

If Manafort wasn't connected to the case for Russia collusion, then how was Mueller justified in doing anything to or against Manafort under the guidelines of the probe into collusion ?? I can understand if Mueller stumbled across something while checking records or questioning a possible suspect in the case, otherwise to then refer that matter to the DOJ for further investigation into the suspect as an unrelated matter not related to the case at hand.

Mueller has no right what so ever to go off track from the original charge given him by those who had appointed him to investigate the specific charge of collusion. No collusion, no charge. The taxpayers deserve better than the corruption that we are dealing with in Washington, and our tax money should be used in a more transparent way than this crock of bullcrap that is going on.

Mueller isn't in charge of the DOJ, the FBI, the Supreme Court nor should he be. He has been appointed to investigate a charge of collusion based on his prior service as an investigator, and if stumbles across anything unrelated to his specific charge, he then must refer that to the justice Dept for them to investigate the matter as a separate issue as was found in which is again unrelated to the original charge Mueller had been appointed to investigate.

Allowing the rules to be bent or broken all due to a probe that has been constructed out of a butt hurt political witch hunt based on false allegations, wild accusations, bad politics, and the biggest of all "the liberal leftist loss of their queen" has been something else to see and witness in our time.

That judge ---- you know, the one right wingers were all bragging about a few days ago ---- seems to disagree with you.

Who got to her ?? She's human you know.

Think she can't be biased in this volital leftist climate that has been created ? I don't see how anyone even Trump could get a fair hearing or whatever in this environment.

Maybe we should move everything to (oh wait), there is no where not poisoned by this entire tragic affair that has now been created.

Time to end this idiocy. Everything is way to tainted now. Allowing it to go on could ultimately corrupt us all before it's over with.

For the right wing, this whole thing has become a giant conspiracy theory involving some mysterious DEEP STATE, that is being controlled by Obama, or Hillary. It;s hard to tell who they think is running the whole thing, because it keeps changing. And like all other conspiracy theories, anything that doesn't fit the "Conspiracy Narrative" is immediately considered to be part of the imagined cover up. Congratulations. The right wing in now on equal footing with people who believe in Big Foot, Chem Trails, and the Bilderburg Conspiracies. I knew it was just a matter of time after Trump's election before that would happen.

We have "funny and agree", we need "sad and agree".