Judge rules NC can't make sure only citizens are voting

And what do some of us have to do to exercise our right to firearms? When I got my CCW permit, I had to:

Take a 10 hour class and pay for it.
Go to the gun range and take shooting test for 2 hours.
Get a picture taken that was VISA acceptable.
Go downtown to the Sheriffs department and fill out an application, and get my picture taken again.
I had to be electronically fingerprinted.

To vote, get an ID, and that's too much to ask to exercise your right????
I had to register as a voter. Voting SHOULD be easier than taking a gun into a public place.

Why is that? Should one right be more difficult to exercise than another? I thought all rights were equal?

The point is that rights do not come at convenience. Sometimes you need to put a little effort to use these rights. By doing so, it's not disenfranchisement. It's simply a systematic way to use those rights so they benefit all.

It is disenfranchisement, especially since the world only went ID mad after 9/11. Lots of people from my era didn't have their births properly registered. It wasn't that big a deal with we were growing up. I didn't have or need ID to get on a plane, get a driver's license, or a SIN card, up until 9/11. Thereafter, the world changed. Suddenly I couldn't even fly across Canada without photo ID.

It should be far easier to vote, than to buy a gun, since you're not endangering any lives by voting. Every citizen has the right to vote, and the USA is the only democratic country in the world, that is using voter ID to supress the votes of those of its citizens who don't vote Republican.

To suggest otherwise, is to deliberately disregard every legitimate case of voter fraud, gerrymandering and the results of the House elections since Bill Clinton was President. Republicans are using voter suppression to maintain white power over the country, while Republican economic policies increasingly enrich their wealthy white base, at the expense of every other socio-economic group in the country.
Disinfrancisement = Let any foreigner vote in our elections

Bullshit: When you demand "exact match" of names from government records - that's disenfranchisement.

When you demand changes to street addresses from Native Americans who have always been allowed to vote - that's disenfranchisement.

When you move the polling stations outside of the inner city neighbourhoods, to an area with no access to public transit - that's disenfranchisement.

When you prevent bus companies from transporting the elderly to polling stations, that's disenfranchisement.

When you strike names from voter records without any attempt at verification as to the status of that voter, that's disenfranchisement.

When all of the above, disproportionately take place in communities which vote for Democrats, and not in all neighbourhooods, equally, that's election fraud.

And yet you can't give one example of your list above. Counties usually handle the voting process over here. County executives are routinely voted on just like other representatives.
 
It creates a database of who owns guns, just like 1938 Germany.

Any more silly questions? :1peleas:
What makes your inconvenience about your arsenal more dire than the right to vote?

I believe more folks are concerned with voting than hunting.

And what do some of us have to do to exercise our right to firearms? When I got my CCW permit, I had to:

Take a 10 hour class and pay for it.
Go to the gun range and take shooting test for 2 hours.
Get a picture taken that was VISA acceptable.
Go downtown to the Sheriffs department and fill out an application, and get my picture taken again.
I had to be electronically fingerprinted.

To vote, get an ID, and that's too much to ask to exercise your right????
I had to register as a voter. Voting SHOULD be easier than taking a gun into a public place.

Why is that? Should one right be more difficult to exercise than another? I thought all rights were equal?

The point is that rights do not come at convenience. Sometimes you need to put a little effort to use these rights. By doing so, it's not disenfranchisement. It's simply a systematic way to use those rights so they benefit all.

It is disenfranchisement, especially since the world only went ID mad after 9/11. Lots of people from my era didn't have their births properly registered. It wasn't that big a deal with we were growing up. I didn't have or need ID to get on a plane, get a driver's license, or a SIN card, up until 9/11. Thereafter, the world changed. Suddenly I couldn't even fly across Canada without photo ID.

It should be far easier to vote, than to buy a gun, since you're not endangering any lives by voting. Every citizen has the right to vote, and the USA is the only democratic country in the world, that is using voter ID to supress the votes of those of its citizens who don't vote Republican.

To suggest otherwise, is to deliberately disregard every legitimate case of voter fraud, gerrymandering and the results of the House elections since Bill Clinton was President. Republicans are using voter suppression to maintain white power over the country, while Republican economic policies increasingly enrich their wealthy white base, at the expense of every other socio-economic group in the country.

Letting people keep the money they make is not Republican economic policies, it's called freedom and anti-socialism.

Lots of people in your era didn't have proper birth registration? How old are you, 105?

Yes, every citizen has the right to vote. You simply have to present an ID showing you are that citizen, just like you do to board a plane, buy alcoholic beverages, tobacco products, obtain employment, cash a check, buy a home with a home loan, and many other things to sustain a normal life in a civilized and modern society.
 
It creates a database of who owns guns, just like 1938 Germany.

Any more silly questions? :1peleas:
What makes your inconvenience about your arsenal more dire than the right to vote?

I believe more folks are concerned with voting than hunting.

Guns in America are for more than hunting. They are also for self-defense and to keep a would-be tyrannical government in check.

Are you American? How do you not know this?
If you intend to shoot people rather than game or paper, you should register your arsenal

But if you vote for leadership of this country, how tax money is collected and spent, you should not get an ID?
You show less regard for your fellow Americans than you do for the deluded hero gunslinger

Some of my fellow citizens are not honest people. They will lie, cheat and steal to get what they desire. That's why people have doorbells with cameras, that's why people buy alarms for their homes, that's why we need to present ID's to do most major exchanges in our country.
 
It creates a database of who owns guns, just like 1938 Germany.

Any more silly questions? :1peleas:
What makes your inconvenience about your arsenal more dire than the right to vote?

I believe more folks are concerned with voting than hunting.

And what do some of us have to do to exercise our right to firearms? When I got my CCW permit, I had to:

Take a 10 hour class and pay for it.
Go to the gun range and take shooting test for 2 hours.
Get a picture taken that was VISA acceptable.
Go downtown to the Sheriffs department and fill out an application, and get my picture taken again.
I had to be electronically fingerprinted.

To vote, get an ID, and that's too much to ask to exercise your right????
I had to register as a voter. Voting SHOULD be easier than taking a gun into a public place.

Why is that? Should one right be more difficult to exercise than another? I thought all rights were equal?

The point is that rights do not come at convenience. Sometimes you need to put a little effort to use these rights. By doing so, it's not disenfranchisement. It's simply a systematic way to use those rights so they benefit all.
Should the blind be given a CCW permit? The insane? The physically infirmed?

I doh't think so, no. In my state you have to pass a shooting test before you are considered for a CCW license.
 
I had to register as a voter. Voting SHOULD be easier than taking a gun into a public place.

Why is that? Should one right be more difficult to exercise than another? I thought all rights were equal?

The point is that rights do not come at convenience. Sometimes you need to put a little effort to use these rights. By doing so, it's not disenfranchisement. It's simply a systematic way to use those rights so they benefit all.

It is disenfranchisement, especially since the world only went ID mad after 9/11. Lots of people from my era didn't have their births properly registered. It wasn't that big a deal with we were growing up. I didn't have or need ID to get on a plane, get a driver's license, or a SIN card, up until 9/11. Thereafter, the world changed. Suddenly I couldn't even fly across Canada without photo ID.

It should be far easier to vote, than to buy a gun, since you're not endangering any lives by voting. Every citizen has the right to vote, and the USA is the only democratic country in the world, that is using voter ID to supress the votes of those of its citizens who don't vote Republican.

To suggest otherwise, is to deliberately disregard every legitimate case of voter fraud, gerrymandering and the results of the House elections since Bill Clinton was President. Republicans are using voter suppression to maintain white power over the country, while Republican economic policies increasingly enrich their wealthy white base, at the expense of every other socio-economic group in the country.
Disinfrancisement = Let any foreigner vote in our elections

Bullshit: When you demand "exact match" of names from government records - that's disenfranchisement.

When you demand changes to street addresses from Native Americans who have always been allowed to vote - that's disenfranchisement.

When you move the polling stations outside of the inner city neighbourhoods, to an area with no access to public transit - that's disenfranchisement.

When you prevent bus companies from transporting the elderly to polling stations, that's disenfranchisement.

When you strike names from voter records without any attempt at verification as to the status of that voter, that's disenfranchisement.

When all of the above, disproportionately take place in communities which vote for Democrats, and not in all neighbourhooods, equally, that's election fraud.

And yet you can't give one example of your list above. Counties usually handle the voting process over here. County executives are routinely voted on just like other representatives.

YOU could have googled any of the issues I cited. You chose to remain ignorant, as usual. Below are the searches I completed, with just one result from the pages I got for any of these searches. American right wingers have to be the most wilfully ignorant peole on the face of the earth.

Exact match state:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...se-3031802-eligible-voters-my-research-finds/

Native problems:

Voting from a Native American reservation is much harder than it should be

Moving polling stations outside the city:

Iconic Dodge City moves its only polling place outside town

Seniors removed from buses:

Dozens of black senior citizens ordered off bus taking them to vote

Striking names from voter records:

This Ohio Case Could Change Who Gets Purged From The Voter Rolls

North Carolina has just admitted to massive voter fraud.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...rowd-care-about-what-happened-north-carolina/
 
I don’t have time to research all your half truths as you have obviously not read the articles you quote, but let’s just take the 40 people on the bus.

fferson County Administrator Adam Brett told the AJC that the county considered the transporting of the group to be “political activity,” which would violate county policy, since they operate they senior center.

The event was reportedly organized with the help of the county’s Democratic Party chairwoman, Diane Evans, Brett said.

“Jefferson County administration felt uncomfortable with allowing senior center patrons to leave the facility in a bus with an unknown third party,” Brett said. “No seniors at the Jefferson County senior center were denied their right to vote.”

No one was kept from voting. There were legitimate reasons for this, to say nothing of the idea that people taking the seniors to vote could have twisted their arms to vote a certain way. Anyway, you ever heard of absentee ballots? As I said before, you are purposefully misrepresenting the situation to promote a false narrative.
 

What To Bring To The Polls
When you arrive to vote at the polls on Election Day you will announce your name and place of residence to the election official and present one form of identification from List #1 or two different forms of identification from List #2 or 3. (A.R.S. § 16-579(A)).

Please note: Members of federally-recognized tribes are not required to have an address or photo on their identification in order to cast a provisional ballot.

Voting In This Election | Arizona Secretary of State

Your hit piece was from Vox. What else could we expect? Like Shrimp, I'll get to other ones later after my shower.
 

According to your article and mine, the reason they closed the civics center is because of road construction that forced them to move to the arena. It's also noted in my link that they have provisional and absentee ballots that anybody can use. So nobody was denied voting. Even the people that had moved and addresses were different than the name were offered provisionals and most of the people (according to the news report I'm posting) found that the lines were more than reasonable and it had very little ill effects. Plus the ACLU took this matter to court where it was tossed out by the judge.

In Dodge City, voter complaints are few at the one polling place outside town
 
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Now this one is in my home state. What happened was that we ended up with more registrations than voters themselves because they shied away from purging. Generally, what they did was send out two notices to those who didn't vote in the last five years. If the people they sent those notices to didn't respond to either one with the postage paid card, they were removed from the voter rolls. A few went back to vote and found their name had been removed, but it was very few.

There is no other way to purge voters from the rolls; people who died, moved, or lost interest in voting.
 

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