Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law

[CrusaderFrank]

Tthe "attrition through enforcement" experiment seems to be putting the economy of Arizona in the tank. Small businesses are failing, apartment complexes are emptying and the once red-hot housing market is now stone cold and filled by REO's and short sales.

Such is the consequence of emotion based populist politics, where personal ambition leads and critically thinking is absent; where governors and legislators act in their own self-interest and where ideology rules and pragmatic solutions die.

Ya' mean like the emotion based populist politics of sanctuary cities, where personal ambition leads and critically thinking is absent; where mayors and city councils act in their own self-interest and where ideology rules and pragmatic solutions die?

Exactly. Laws should make sense and be enforced. Emotion, bias, prejudice ought not influence legislators, locally or nationally. Sadly it does.
BTW, many 'sanctuaries' are churches - do you have an opinion on that activity?
[btw, what happended to the Dodgers? Hopefully they can cool SD and by next WE the Giants wil be where they belong, on top in the West].

Wow. I can't believe that exchange

 

[WillowTree]

 

[Wry Catcher]

Tthe "attrition through enforcement" experiment seems to be putting the economy of Arizona in the tank. Small businesses are failing, apartment complexes are emptying and the once red-hot housing market is now stone cold and filled by REO's and short sales.

Such is the consequence of emotion based populist politics, where personal ambition leads and critically thinking is absent; where governors and legislators act in their own self-interest and where ideology rules and pragmatic solutions die.

And why would you care if the "experiment" seems to be putting the economy of Arizona in the tank?

After all, you're one of the loons who was so vociferously advocating a boycott that would put the economy of Arizona in the tank. Where small businesses would fail. Apartments would empty and the once red hot housing market would go stone cold resulting in REO's and short sales.

Ya' should be celebrating, ya' hypocritical liberal loon!

Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

Well, it's too early to celebrate. But if the people of Arizona vote out those who acted without thought and replace them with pragmatic leaders it will be time for celebration.

 

[Biggles]

I'll give the same answer I gave in another thread to your post Wry, Our state's economy , especially the housing market has collapsed as a result of the financial crisis. Those same homes and apartments you were speaking of were for the most part built with the use of cheap illegal labor. With the lack of new homes and apartments being built the construction trades suffer and those needed to staff it , namely those same illegal Aliens.

It makes complete sense to enforce immigration laws, for economic reasons and safety reasons, more so than to ignore them and use resources in a court room that would be better used in finding solutions to this issue.

Again, I agree. The solution lies somewhere between 1070 and Amnesty, but politics, prejudice and emotion (as well as personal ambition) interfere.

The solution is enforcement of the federal law, border troops, border fence, and the deportation of every illegal in America. Amnesty cannot be even near any solution.

 

[Angelhair]

Federal Judge Susan Bolton granted an injunction against key sections of SB 1070 today, hours before the controversial new law was to take effect.

The judge’s decision gave the federal government and opponents a major legal victory.

Parts of the new law will still take effect Thursday.

However, the major provisions that drew the opposition of immigrant rights groups, the ACLU and the Justice Department will not go into effect.

“Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully-present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked,” U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled.

“There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens under the new (law),” Bolton ruled. “By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a ‘distinct, unusual and extraordinary’ burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose.”

The provisions that were enjoined include sections that required officers to check a person’s immigration status while enforcing other laws.

Also blocked from going into effect is the part of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times,.

The provision making it a crime for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places was also enjoined.

Injunctions against a state law going into effect must meet a high hurdle . Those seeking an injunction must show irreparable harm and a likelihood they will prevail at trial. The Plaintiffs succeed.

Full text of Judge Bolton’s ruling

SB 1070 enjoined by federal judge - View From Baja Arizona

 

[Biggles]

The part of the law regarding the mandate that officers determine if a person is in Arizona/America legally has been stayed. However, it does not stop officers from doing so voluntarily or by department orders. The Sheriffs in counties along the border are extremely disappointed in this ruling and are disappointed at the complete lack of care and effort by the Obama Administration to stop the flow of illegals into America.

Today is the lighting of the fuse of the American Revolution Ver2. 80% of Americans support the law as written. 80% of Americans are fed up with the porous border allowing illegals to come into America, eating up our tax dollars, distributing drugs, killing Americans, raping Americans, kidnapping Americans, destroying America.

In November, the progressives will be thrown out of Congress. My only fear is the rumor going around DC comes true, that the lame-duck liberals and Obama will conspire to pass legislation to give all 20 million illegals complete amnesty. If today lit the fuse, that action will explode America into chaos. Americans will revolt and take back control of America. Perhaps the amnesty is what is needed to rid America of the progressive plot once and for all. Because right now, the progressives are "nudging" along.

 

[WillowTree]

The part of the law regarding the mandate that officers determine if a person is in Arizona/America legally has been stayed. However, it does not stop officers from doing so voluntarily or by department orders. The Sheriffs in counties along the border are extremely disappointed in this ruling and are disappointed at the complete lack of care and effort by the Obama Administration to stop the flow of illegals into America.

Today is the lighting of the fuse of the American Revolution Ver2. 80% of Americans support the law as written. 80% of Americans are fed up with the porous border allowing illegals to come into America, eating up our tax dollars, distributing drugs, killing Americans, raping Americans, kidnapping Americans, destroying America.

In November, the progressives will be thrown out of Congress. My only fear is the rumor going around DC comes true, that the lame-duck liberals and Obama will conspire to pass legislation to give all 20 million illegals complete amnesty. If today lit the fuse, that action will explode America into chaos. Americans will revolt and take back control of America. Perhaps the amnesty is what is needed to rid America of the progressive plot once and for all. Because right now, the progressives are "nudging" along.

yes but the anti American demonRats are in charge and they need the votes. so suck it up.

 

[Biggles]

Where is the Obama Administration lawsuit against sanctuary cities? These cities are in direct violation of federal law. The BO Administration is a hypocritical bunch of liars. I am fed up with their plan for the destruction of America.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Tthe "attrition through enforcement" experiment seems to be putting the economy of Arizona in the tank. Small businesses are failing, apartment complexes are emptying and the once red-hot housing market is now stone cold and filled by REO's and short sales.

Such is the consequence of emotion based populist politics, where personal ambition leads and critically thinking is absent; where governors and legislators act in their own self-interest and where ideology rules and pragmatic solutions die.

And why would you care if the "experiment" seems to be putting the economy of Arizona in the tank?

After all, you're one of the loons who was so vociferously advocating a boycott that would put the economy of Arizona in the tank. Where small businesses would fail. Apartments would empty and the once red hot housing market would go stone cold resulting in REO's and short sales.

Ya' should be celebrating, ya' hypocritical liberal loon!

Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

Well, it's too early to celebrate. But if the people of Arizona vote out those who acted without thought and replace them with pragmatic leaders it will be time for celebration.

Translation:

"Once again, I stepped on my lil' limp liberal needledick, and fully proved that arguing with liberals is akin to arguing with idiots as the scurrilous Glenn Beck has claimed"

LMAO!

 

[Biggles]

The part of the law regarding the mandate that officers determine if a person is in Arizona/America legally has been stayed. However, it does not stop officers from doing so voluntarily or by department orders. The Sheriffs in counties along the border are extremely disappointed in this ruling and are disappointed at the complete lack of care and effort by the Obama Administration to stop the flow of illegals into America.

Today is the lighting of the fuse of the American Revolution Ver2. 80% of Americans support the law as written. 80% of Americans are fed up with the porous border allowing illegals to come into America, eating up our tax dollars, distributing drugs, killing Americans, raping Americans, kidnapping Americans, destroying America.

In November, the progressives will be thrown out of Congress. My only fear is the rumor going around DC comes true, that the lame-duck liberals and Obama will conspire to pass legislation to give all 20 million illegals complete amnesty. If today lit the fuse, that action will explode America into chaos. Americans will revolt and take back control of America. Perhaps the amnesty is what is needed to rid America of the progressive plot once and for all. Because right now, the progressives are "nudging" along.

yes but the anti American demonRats are in charge and they need the votes. so suck it up.

Yeah I am sure Pelosi and Reid are scheming to figure a way for all illegals to have a vote in the November election. These Progressives are disgusting anti-American trash.

 

[Tank]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Tthe "attrition through enforcement" experiment seems to be putting the economy of Arizona in the tank. Small businesses are failing, apartment complexes are emptying and the once red-hot housing market is now stone cold and filled by REO's and short sales.

Such is the consequence of emotion based populist politics, where personal ambition leads and critically thinking is absent; where governors and legislators act in their own self-interest and where ideology rules and pragmatic solutions die.

And why would you care if the "experiment" seems to be putting the economy of Arizona in the tank?

After all, you're one of the loons who was so vociferously advocating a boycott that would put the economy of Arizona in the tank. Where small businesses would fail. Apartments would empty and the once red hot housing market would go stone cold resulting in REO's and short sales.

Ya' should be celebrating, ya' hypocritical liberal loon!

Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

Well, it's too early to celebrate. But if the people of Arizona vote out those who acted without thought and replace them with pragmatic leaders it will be time for celebration.

I agree! Obama and the Dems need to be voted out of office.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Tthe "attrition through enforcement" experiment seems to be putting the economy of Arizona in the tank. Small businesses are failing, apartment complexes are emptying and the once red-hot housing market is now stone cold and filled by REO's and short sales.

Such is the consequence of emotion based populist politics, where personal ambition leads and critically thinking is absent; where governors and legislators act in their own self-interest and where ideology rules and pragmatic solutions die.

And why would you care if the "experiment" seems to be putting the economy of Arizona in the tank?

After all, you're one of the loons who was so vociferously advocating a boycott that would put the economy of Arizona in the tank. Where small businesses would fail. Apartments would empty and the once red hot housing market would go stone cold resulting in REO's and short sales.

Ya' should be celebrating, ya' hypocritical liberal loon!

Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

Well, it's too early to celebrate. But if the people of Arizona vote out those who acted without thought and replace them with pragmatic leaders it will be time for celebration.

Those who acted without thought...Like obama and the other thoughtless dimwits in D.C. now? Arizona needs to do its own thing and enforce the law as written anyway, slap the feds back in the face.

 

[Navy1960]

Wry, I can assure you that this decision will assure Gov. Brewer another term in office by a wide margin here. Further, the presidents approval rating here in Arizona is somewhere around 30% according to many polls. What many don't seem to understand is that Arizona is a little tired of the Federal Govt. not enforcing the law to the point where it's officers, its citizens, and it's economy were in need of some sort of protection. Let me give you some idea Wry, each day along the I-10, I-8 corridor people that traffic in human beings and drugs mostly Mexican drug cartels move through that area. At times they engage local police with AK-47's in order to protect their cargo. Phoenix has become the 2nd largest kidnapping city in the world as a result of unchecked and a Federal Govt. looking the other way. So is it any wonder that the legislature here would at the very least attempt to address an issue that the Federal Govt. won't? Let me go a little further, last year the Federal attorney in the state of California prosecuted ZERO persons for illegal immigration if tha gives you some idea. When you live here and you see on the news, families impacted from a Illegal Alien who killed their son or daughter , mother or father simply because our Govt. looked the other way then you would begin to understand the frustration. This is not an issue of lumping in an entire people because of race, in fact if our Govt. really cared they would want to end this sanctioned form of slavery that is allowed as a result of our Govts. lack of interest in this.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Where is the Obama Administration lawsuit against sanctuary cities? These cities are in direct violation of federal law. The BO Administration is a hypocritical bunch of liars. I am fed up with their plan for the destruction of America.

I am fed up also, but there are alot of so called Americans that beleive in his kind of socialism. It is obvious he does not beleive in the constitution, the commie.

 

[Tech_Esq]

The judge issued a temporary injunction preventing the law from going into effect at midnight tonight.

As a side issue, the "attrition through enforcement" experiment seems to be putting the economy of Arizona in the tank. Small businesses are failing, apartment complexes are emptying and the once red-hot housing market is now stone cold and filled by REO's and short sales.

Such is the consequence of emotion based populist politics, where personal ambition leads and critically thinking is absent, and where governors and legislators put ideology before people.

We went through the same thing in Prince William county after we enacted an Arizona like law 3 years ago. It should be an expected result of ridding the community of illegal labor glut that was exploited by the rich for their own gain and left the laborers themselves relatively impoverished for their efforts. However, they did have something of an economy and like all economies, large or small, they had businesses that catered to them.

We went through a year or 18 months of purging the illegals and the economy that catered to them. What is replacing it is much stronger and much better. Don't fear change, Wry.

 

[Ravi]

I guess driving without a drivers license or using a stolen one in AZ is now legal. Or only if you no habla ingles.

Well they won. Might as well sign AZ over to their "rightful owners" now.

Why do you lie, chanel?

 

[WillowTree]

The part of the law regarding the mandate that officers determine if a person is in Arizona/America legally has been stayed. However, it does not stop officers from doing so voluntarily or by department orders. The Sheriffs in counties along the border are extremely disappointed in this ruling and are disappointed at the complete lack of care and effort by the Obama Administration to stop the flow of illegals into America.

Today is the lighting of the fuse of the American Revolution Ver2. 80% of Americans support the law as written. 80% of Americans are fed up with the porous border allowing illegals to come into America, eating up our tax dollars, distributing drugs, killing Americans, raping Americans, kidnapping Americans, destroying America.

In November, the progressives will be thrown out of Congress. My only fear is the rumor going around DC comes true, that the lame-duck liberals and Obama will conspire to pass legislation to give all 20 million illegals complete amnesty. If today lit the fuse, that action will explode America into chaos. Americans will revolt and take back control of America. Perhaps the amnesty is what is needed to rid America of the progressive plot once and for all. Because right now, the progressives are "nudging" along.

yes but the anti American demonRats are in charge and they need the votes. so suck it up.

Yeah I am sure Pelosi and Reid are scheming to figure a way for all illegals to have a vote in the November election. These Progressives are disgusting anti-American trash.

not by Nov. but during the lame duck in December they will grant amnest just in time to vote in 2012.

 

[Terral]

Hi Immanuel:

Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law - Yahoo! News

I am still not sure how I feel about this law, but if an officer can not check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws, what good is this law?

Immie

The U.S. Federal Govt refuses to enforce our perfectly good Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws already on the books. Governor Brewer and the Arizona Legislature are simply trying to do the job of enforcing our laws that the corrupt Federal Govt refuses to do. The Federal Judge is trying to legislate from the bench, instead of simply 'interpreting' the Law created by duly-elected Arizona officials. These lawsuits against the Arizona Law are all frivolous, because the Law has yet take effect; which means there are no victims.

This charade in the Federal Courts proves beyond all doubt that 'corruption' and pandering to the Open Border Lobby runs through all three branches of the inept Federal Govt that allows millions and millions and millions of Illegal Aliens to run around loose EVERYWHERE. About two dozen Americans will be killed by Illegal Aliens today and another two dozen American will be killed by Illegal Aliens tomorrow like every day of the week 'and' these corrupt politicians will pay for every life lost to this Illegal Alien Invasion. You can take that to the bank ...

GL,

Terral

 

[Angelhair]

Wry, I can assure you that this decision will assure Gov. Brewer another term in office by a wide margin here. Further, the presidents approval rating here in Arizona is somewhere around 30% according to many polls. What many don't seem to understand is that Arizona is a little tired of the Federal Govt. not enforcing the law to the point where it's officers, its citizens, and it's economy were in need of some sort of protection. Let me give you some idea Wry, each day along the I-10, I-8 corridor people that traffic in human beings and drugs mostly Mexican drug cartels move through that area. At times they engage local police with AK-47's in order to protect their cargo. Phoenix has become the 2nd largest kidnapping city in the world as a result of unchecked and a Federal Govt. looking the other way. So is it any wonder that the legislature here would at the very least attempt to address an issue that the Federal Govt. won't? Let me go a little further, last year the Federal attorney in the state of California prosecuted ZERO persons for illegal immigration if tha gives you some idea. When you live here and you see on the news, families impacted from a Illegal Alien who killed their son or daughter , mother or father simply because our Govt. looked the other way then you would begin to understand the frustration. This is not an issue of lumping in an entire people because of race, in fact if our Govt. really cared they would want to end this sanctioned form of slavery that is allowed as a result of our Govts. lack of interest in this.

I suspect that now the FEDERAL govenment is going to be forced to enforce the laws already in the books which have been there forever. It's too soon to say that AZ has lost. I think in a way AZ and the USA has won because the feds have no choice now but to do their job! If the judge based her ruling on the fact that some provisions were unconstitutional then it leaves the feds no choice. Give it time - the sancutary cities will be history in the very near future - you read it here.