Ravi
Diamond Member
Poor Juan. Oh, boo fucking hoo.
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Poor Juan. Oh, boo fucking hoo.
How many did you make under how many different screen names?Poor Juan. Oh, boo fucking hoo.
save it cupcake, you've already lost the battle. The sympathy is clearly with Juan. You go over and read some of the comments left at NPR? They're scratching thier heads now wishing for a "do over."
How many did you make under how many different screen names?Poor Juan. Oh, boo fucking hoo.
save it cupcake, you've already lost the battle. The sympathy is clearly with Juan. You go over and read some of the comments left at NPR? They're scratching thier heads now wishing for a "do over."
How many did you make under how many different screen names?save it cupcake, you've already lost the battle. The sympathy is clearly with Juan. You go over and read some of the comments left at NPR? They're scratching thier heads now wishing for a "do over."
Come on, don't lead people to think that you're in denial over this fiasco.
How many did you make under how many different screen names?
Come on, don't lead people to think that you're in denial over this fiasco.
So now we decide legal or constitutional questions by facebook majority? Good to know.
My "outrage" is on my own behalf. At Williams, for attempting to whittle down the freedoms of my fellow citizens and for reinforcing the hatred so many now suffer from. At Fox News, for aiding and abetting this obvious publicity stunt. At public figures like Sarah Palin, for spreading misinformation about the First Amendment and seeking to shutter a media outlet in a fit of misplaced pique.
I am very sorry to hear some people you know IRL are offended by my POV, but that does not alter it.
So, in fact, you prefer to be offended on behalf of people who are not offended and did not find Williams comments to be offensive or hateful. That makes you kind of stupid, in my opinion.
I dislike this attitude of labeling anything you disagree with as 'hate speech', because it trivializes 'hate'. Just like labeling people who dislike Obama as 'racists' trivializes racism.
Come on, don't lead people to think that you're in denial over this fiasco.
So now we decide legal or constitutional questions by facebook majority? Good to know.
Dear, you're going off the rails. My point is not to pretend that there is just a small minority (no pun intended) supporting Williams.
I see, you want to shout down Juan Williams, but you won't permit a rebuke of NPR.
how many did you make under how many different screen names?poor juan. Oh, boo fucking hoo.
Save it cupcake, you've already lost the battle. The sympathy is clearly with juan. You go over and read some of the comments left at npr? They're scratching thier heads now wishing for a "do over."
My "outrage" is on my own behalf. At Williams, for attempting to whittle down the freedoms of my fellow citizens and for reinforcing the hatred so many now suffer from. At Fox News, for aiding and abetting this obvious publicity stunt. At public figures like Sarah Palin, for spreading misinformation about the First Amendment and seeking to shutter a media outlet in a fit of misplaced pique.
I am very sorry to hear some people you know IRL are offended by my POV, but that does not alter it.
So, in fact, you prefer to be offended on behalf of people who are not offended and did not find Williams comments to be offensive or hateful. That makes you kind of stupid, in my opinion.
I dislike this attitude of labeling anything you disagree with as 'hate speech', because it trivializes 'hate'. Just like labeling people who dislike Obama as 'racists' trivializes racism.
Mebbe if we weren't experiencing an uptick in hate crimes against Muslim Americans, this would concern me less. As for whether Muslim Americans are offended (I assume the people you know who are Muslims are UK-ers), mebbe check out the comments on a site like this one...
Islamophobia Today eNewspaper
This irrational dislike you seem to have for any media report and the value you place on your personal experience might just be skewing your POV, CG...especially since you do not live in the US atm.
So now we decide legal or constitutional questions by facebook majority? Good to know.
Dear, you're going off the rails. My point is not to pretend that there is just a small minority (no pun intended) supporting Williams.
Sherry, we live in a constitutional democracy, agreed? Meaning, the rule of law sometimes protects the unpopular minority, agreed? And that a rule of law is still applicable even when applying it might lead to a result that is unpopular with many or most, agreed?
If NPR's actions were legal, they do not morph into something less because "many" people shout them down.
I do love the irony of so many of us on the right riding to defend Juan Williams, an actual liberal. Perhaps things aren't as you present?
He's only being defended by the right because he spoke kindly of Islamophobia. It was a sort of validation of the right's consensus belief that it's okay to distrust all Muslims.
The right isn't defending Williams' liberalism.
Exactly....it's about our right to freely express our beliefs without retribution. I respect people who don't fear to speak out, whatever side they are on. It's what has always made America so great. There is no speech worth protecting unless you will stand up and protect the most controversial voices. I think some people are really going over the top in their endeavors to paint Williams as a hateful bigot. As for NPR firing him, that is their right, but they are nuts to even try and pretend that they are being consistent in their reasoning. Because if that was the case, then a whole bunch of their other analysts should be let go for expressing "offensive" opinions. It's just a sad fucking day when journalists are so openly bullied to toe one political line.
I see, you want to shout down Juan Williams, but you won't permit a rebuke of NPR.
Actually, I think this Williams episode has allowed the public one of the most interesting convos on First Amendment law we have had in ages, Revere. I am most anxious to hear why you feel anyone -- least of all me -- has "shouted Juan Williams down"?
Have I called for his arrest?
Have I spoken out against his new show on Fox News?
Have I suggested anyone sue him for what he said?
How, exactly, do you feel Williams' First Amendment rights have been impaired?
The real loser is this is NPR.
Even a liberal wasn't left enough for them.
They were going into fundraising time.
I think some of their big radical left wing donors complained.