Joe Scarborough: "We Deserve Answers Mr. President, Mr./Madame Governor"

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    and I can't agree more...

     
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    I think Scarborough is either playing dumb or purposefully distorting the facts. The blame game usually does very little to solve problems . The analysis of the things that worked and didn't is much more productive.
    One would have to be a typical uninformed dolt to not be able to figure out what happened. First you would need to go all the way back to the dumbasses that put a city there in the first place. Then blame the developers that added to it knowing how stupid it is to have a city under sea level so near the coast. To add to the stupidity there is a BIG lake 3 feet above sea level north of the city. Add, just for good measure, a huge moving body of water running through the city, the Great Old Mississippi River(A mile wide in some places and deep with a strong current and a mind of it's own).
    Then one must consider a political history of corruption within every department state wide. Bring in almost three decades of mayors who have been elected purely because of the color of their skin and the corruption not only continues but escalates. Then you have to consider the election of a Governor who seemed perfect to the politically correct but has proven to be just as incompetent and egotistical as the worst of them all.
    When the hurricane looked like it was definitely going to hit New Orleans the mayor suggested to the fools that had outside communication with the world and hadn't already left to go ahead and evacuate, good move but, he didn't follow his own evacuation plan. On page 13 paragraph 5 of that plan it states to use city and school busses to evacuate those that have no mans of getting out. I'm sure there was a lot of grumbling about the possibility that they would spend the money evacuating that many people and the storm would dissipate like so many before had. Hoping for the best the city opened the Superdome and the Convention center to many thousands of people that tend to not understand the idea of helping yourself and each other in times of emergencies. Instead, a great number of these people are totally dependent on Govrnment for everything, they had very little survivor skills but the city didn't think that would matter, they would only be there a few days at most. The storm hit, the damage was bad but not as bad as it could be and people started wiping their brows stating that they had avoided the "big one'' once again. Then levee failure surprised everyone 2 days later. After that a full scale disaster was happening now, the Governor should have recognized this and jumped on the red phone to the White House, she didn't. Relief agencies had already assembled for the relief effort needed before the levees broke. The red cross and the Salvation Army were ready to go in with food, water, and hygenic kits. . . the State said no, theydidn't want the Dome and Convention Center to be magnets for the rest of the egg heads that didn't see a reason to flee a category 5 hurricane. After that, pride and lack of knowledge took over completely. The President met personally with the Mayor and Governor and received no plea for help, the Governor needed another 24 hours to sign the declaration that basically stated that the situation was out of her control and she needed the Federal government to come in and rescue her. The media was there reporting on the violence being perpetrated by those that do it for a living or were going through withdrawals so bad that they felt that the rescue helicopters were some kind of paranoid dillusion, this made the people worried about tourist dollars very nervous. They couldn't afford to let the world know what a cesspool the city had become. When mother government didn't show up to feed the helpless in the Superdome and Convention Center the standard racist accusations started to errupt from the crowd and it was time to revert to the riot mode to get attention. Rape, murder, destruction. . . because you haven't had anything to eat in a few days? A lot of blame needs to be placed on the citizens that came empty handed to the evacuation center thinking they would be serviced like they were on an airliner. What in the past would make them confident that the local goverment would do much of anything for them. Add to the many in one space, hunger, thirst, outragous heat, no lights, no sewerage system and nothing provided to keep them busy and you have a recipy for total lack of civilization.
    Help was everywhere and the Governor has nobody to blame but herself. Once the Feds were allowed in they kicked ass and are continueing to kick ass.The buck stopped at the state lines.
     
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    The reality is that if stupidity, slowness, incompetence, failure to act, and political scheming IRT Hurricane Katrina were put between two slices of bread................

    The shit sandwich would be so big that there'd be no danger of anyone in authority at any level of government starving.
     
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    lol...if they had only known airliners have reduced service to peanuts...but you make a good point...even the poor should figure on helping themselves to some extent in an emergency...what has happened to American independence?
     
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    HA! Minute by minute, day by day, year after year, they are becoming DEPENDANT.Sad but true, that ole frog in the pot of water story is TRUE, TRUE, TRUE!!!
     
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    Excellent post, Sitarro. Only thing of significance that you left out was that governors of other states called Blanco offering to send their National Guard troops to assist with security and were put off. Our state was one such. Our Guard is now in Mississippi providing security for that state.
     
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    he did not single out bush or anyone else for criticism, he's blamed them all. and they all share blame. quit trying to absolve the federal government of its incompetence. not everyone who criticizes the federal effort is "out to get bush". we're out to get those who put woefully unqualified dolts like brown at FEMA, and out to get those who stood around with a thumb up their butt while people suffered and died.
     
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    Another lesson can be learned from this....

    Those who advocate expanding the government's role into all parts of our lives should take this episode as a word of warning (are you listening Senator Clinton? Does the "Nationalized Health Care" ring a bell?).

    The government, like any other institution, does only a few things well. One of them being defending the country. Expansion into things that clearly are not only outside of the government's power but outside its domain of competence is a recipe for disaster.

    One can only imagine if there were nationalized health care and what would happen if there were a Hurrican Katrina sized health crisis.

    Limited government.... public good.... they are not mutually exclusive.
     
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    Contrary to what you say, Scarborough is casting blame on Bush. The title of his article is “We Deserve Answers, Mr. President/Madame Governor.” Doesn’t that imply that Bush has the answers? If Scarborough wasn’t blaming Bush, he could have entitled his article simply “We Deserve Answers”, which would have been far more appropriate considering the known facts.

    Scarborough left out many important facts, such as the fact that the President sends in the National Guard and FEMA only after it has been requested by state and local governments. That is the law. Scarborough also did not mention the fact that FEMA is not a first responder. This agency exists to assist state and local governments with money and supplies as it is requested by them. By law, the federal government has no right to take over any state or local responsibility unless requested to do so by the legal local authorities.

    As far as blaming Bush goes, prior to the hurricane’s striking, was it Bush who forbade the Red Cross and the Salvation Army to enter New Orleans? Was it Bush who declined the offer from Amtrak to assist in evacuating those who did not have transportation out of the city? Was it Bush who chose not to use thousands of available buses, some located only one mile from the Superdome, to take citizens out of the city prior to Katrina’s coming ashore?

    The best I can recall, it was President Bush who issued the call to evacuate the city on Friday before Katrina came ashore in the early hours Monday morning. What did the state and local governments do following President Bush’s call on Friday and the hurricane coming ashore on Monday?

    There will be an investigation, and the truth will come out. Perhaps that is why the Democrats have declined to participate in a bipartisan, investigative commission because they know where the incompetency lies in this fiasco and who was responsible for it.
     

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