"Jesus was a Liberal... Hitler was a Conservative"

[Hellokitty]

The entire gospel is a teaching of our personal responsibility, Care. You can't find anyplace in the New Testament of Jesus' teachings or interpretation of his teachings that suggests that concern for others is anybody's responsibility but our own. You can find no place that suggests that it is okay to forcefully confiscate wealth from one person and give to another. Charity, compassion, concern, caring, preparation, action are always described as voluntary acts.

I just don't see taxes in that manner...we vote for the people to make the decision for us, on those type of things...(thus we are a democratic republic) .....I don't see it as confiscated. NOT to say I am not incredibly displeased with the spending frenzy that we have seen in DC well over a decade or even 3 decades when it comes down to it!

The teachings of the Bible and Christ are not left at the door when I am involved with the society that surrounds me....I can't change the frame of mind, of wanting to help those who are the neediest, just because it is the Government of the people trying to give help....my personhood does not change or stay at the door... by all means I do not want to waste my tax dollars on do nothingers, but I have no problem sending some of my taxes to the neediest in our society still left behind, when all personal charity is said and done.

I honestly don't know for certain if this comes from my Christian roots or if this is because I just believe it is the right thing to do....

care

Government often rewards the do nothingers who do not invest what they receive. While at the same time punishing those who have the ability to prove more to those who want to better themselves.

 

[Care4all]

"Jesus was a Liberal... Hitler was a Conservative"

One of the MANY Ignorant and Dishonest bumper stickers that Liberals have on their cars these days, or that they Repeat to each other when trying to make American Conservatives out to be Genocidal Psychopaths is this TRIPE: "Jesus was a Liberal... Hitler was a Conservative".

Jesus did as Modern Liberals SAY or Claim to do, not as they Actually do in Practice...

Jesus got Dirty with the Least of us and expected us to do the same of Free Will, he didn't Advocate for throwing other People's Money at them in a Failing attempt at Cleansing his Conscience for the Life he lead..

Modern Liberals aren't for doing ANYTHING Personally, aside from giving SOME People all that they want on the backs of someone else's Labors.

Many of them are doing it because they Believe that this is what “Charity” is, because they don’t Acquiesce to a Higher Power…

They see themselves or Select Men as the Higher Power.

And that’s only for those Liberals who are doing it for whatever their False Sense of Charity is... Don’t even get me Started on those who are doing it to Gain and or to Retain Power, which is an Unfortunate number of them.

As for Hitler being a "Conservative"... Please... Nazi = National Socialist German Workers' Party

He was Closer to the Agenda of the Modern American Left than Jesus could have EVER have been by ANYONE'S Interpretation.

When Liberals say "Jesus was a Liberal... Hitler was a Conservative", they are REALLY Comparing American Conservatives to Jew Killers… There’s no more or less to it than that.

If they were Comparing Political Ideologies, they wouldn't be able to say a Word that was True in that Comparison… It’s why they Never lend Substance to these Trite Platitudes.

"The National Socialist Program advocated uniting the German people (through pan-Germanism), implementing profit-sharing in industry, nationalizing trusts, providing an extensive welfare state, instituting government control of the media, and persecuting Jews..."

National Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, aside from the Issues that Hilter had with the Communist Jews upon his Rise to Power and to the Holocaust it eventually lead to, the Political Ideologies of the Nazis were FAR MORE in Line with the Modern Liberal than ANYHTING Jesus Advocated for, and Certainly NOT anything that American Conservatives are Advocating for today.

Jesus Advocated for Individual Action based in Free Will, not a Collective Mandate from a Government Institution that Required "Charity" as a Matter of Law.

“Charity” Ceases to be Charity when it is Forced.

This is a Concept that Eludes the (m)inds of Most Liberals… Primarily because the Ignorant Emotion and Reaction that Drives them on a Daily leaves them Incapable of Understanding things that are Generally Accepted as Common Sense to Most Thinking People.

Anyone who Feels that Jesus would have been for Modern American Liberalism, is either Ignorant of History or Dishonest... In some Cases, both.

It’s this Simple… Modern Liberalism NEGATES “Free Will” just as Nazism did before it, something that is at the Core of what True Charity is and always has been.

Either way, if you are a Liberal who says, "Jesus was a Liberal... Hitler was a Conservative", please do some Research and Educate yourself if you are Capable.

You only sound Intelligent to other Ignorant and Dishonest Liberals.

If that's enough for you to get to Sleep at Night or gets you Accepted in your Circles, then so be it...

Just Know that you are a Fool.

Copyright ©2010 - americanfreepress.org/tha malcontent​

peace...

"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality.

Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.



When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

This should be the biggest clue that Hitler was a progressive (aka modern liberal) because he used the word collective vs individual. It implies that there are not individual groups just a giant collective where the christian spirit of love and compassion will fill the entire mass. In other words, he is building a giant commune from the old liberal way of thinking which allowed people to follow there own choice in life which sounds like the progressive attempt to ban things like prostitution and alchohol in America.

Also, hitler referred to communism as jewish communism but he also referred to capitalism as jewish capitalism. He condemned both for various reasons. He hated capitalism because it was 'greedy' and communism because he thought it was inferior so he called used the insulting term 'jewish' to describe them both.

from the beginning, Hitler USED religion for his own personal political gain....nazi belt buckes had ''immanuel'' on them....''God is with us''....

In my opinion Hitler was a Fascist....big business and the government were in cahoots....he was not democratic, he was not liberal....and as you mentioned NOT a communist....where everyone shares equally via the gvt..

 

[ihopehefails]

The entire gospel is a teaching of our personal responsibility, Care. You can't find anyplace in the New Testament of Jesus' teachings or interpretation of his teachings that suggests that concern for others is anybody's responsibility but our own. You can find no place that suggests that it is okay to forcefully confiscate wealth from one person and give to another. Charity, compassion, concern, caring, preparation, action are always described as voluntary acts.

I just don't see taxes in that manner...we vote for the people to make the decision for us, on those type of things...(thus we are a democratic republic) .....I don't see it as confiscated. NOT to say I am not incredibly displeased with the spending frenzy that we have seen in DC well over a decade or even 3 decades when it comes down to it!

The teachings of the Bible and Christ are not left at the door when I am involved with the society that surrounds me....I can't change the frame of mind, of wanting to help those who are the neediest, just because it is the Government of the people trying to give help....my personhood does not change or stay at the door... by all means I do not want to waste my tax dollars on do nothingers, but I have no problem sending some of my taxes to the neediest in our society still left behind, when all personal charity is said and done.

I honestly don't know for certain if this comes from my Christian roots or if this is because I just believe it is the right thing to do....

care

I'm OK with that.

I do think that public welfare is needed at times but most welfare that is proposed is some insidious way to gain control of people by making them completely dependent on the government. Once you are dependent you sacrifice all your free will to it much like a trained dog that never bites the hand that feeds it.

 

[ihopehefails]

"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality.

Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.



When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

This should be the biggest clue that Hitler was a progressive (aka modern liberal) because he used the word collective vs individual. It implies that there are not individual groups just a giant collective where the christian spirit of love and compassion will fill the entire mass. In other words, he is building a giant commune from the old liberal way of thinking which allowed people to follow there own choice in life which sounds like the progressive attempt to ban things like prostitution and alchohol in America.

Also, hitler referred to communism as jewish communism but he also referred to capitalism as jewish capitalism. He condemned both for various reasons. He hated capitalism because it was 'greedy' and communism because he thought it was inferior so he called used the insulting term 'jewish' to describe them both.

from the beginning, Hitler USED religion for his own personal political gain....nazi belt buckes had ''immanuel'' on them....''God is with us''....

In my opinion Hitler was a Fascist....big business and the government were in cahoots....he was not democratic, he was not liberal....and as you mentioned NOT a communist....where everyone shares equally via the gvt..

Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit

Does it say we are all going to be christians or are we filling our lives with the christian spirit of love and brotherhood?

He was a communist in the sense that he was a socialist but he did not agree with the communist version of that way of thinking.

 

[DiamondDave]

can you give some Biblical examples....I am racking my brains to think of what scripture Christ taught on personal responsibility and all that jazz?

Jesus from my recollection, died for the sins of others....HOW did that teach THEM, those saved, personal responsibility?

Care

Luke 19:11-27 is one off the top of my head.

I don't see it, in that scripture....but thanks for quoting it, it gave me a chance to read it.

There is a lot involved in that passage....it was the master's money not the servants, and the servants that did not put their MASTER'S money to good use when he was away, were also the ones that did not want him to be anointed King, and once he became king he had them brought to him and KILLED.

I don't see the "personal responsibility" message in this parable...other than not to be wasteful, with other people's money.

Care

"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

 

[mal]

"Jesus was a Liberal... Hitler was a Conservative"

One of the MANY Ignorant and Dishonest bumper stickers that Liberals have on their cars these days, or that they Repeat to each other when trying to make American Conservatives out to be Genocidal Psychopaths is this TRIPE: "Jesus was a Liberal... Hitler was a Conservative".

Jesus did as Modern Liberals SAY or Claim to do, not as they Actually do in Practice...

Jesus got Dirty with the Least of us and expected us to do the same of Free Will, he didn't Advocate for throwing other People's Money at them in a Failing attempt at Cleansing his Conscience for the Life he lead..

Modern Liberals aren't for doing ANYTHING Personally, aside from giving SOME People all that they want on the backs of someone else's Labors.

Many of them are doing it because they Believe that this is what “Charity” is, because they don’t Acquiesce to a Higher Power…

They see themselves or Select Men as the Higher Power.

And that’s only for those Liberals who are doing it for whatever their False Sense of Charity is... Don’t even get me Started on those who are doing it to Gain and or to Retain Power, which is an Unfortunate number of them.

As for Hitler being a "Conservative"... Please... Nazi = National Socialist German Workers' Party

He was Closer to the Agenda of the Modern American Left than Jesus could have EVER have been by ANYONE'S Interpretation.

When Liberals say "Jesus was a Liberal... Hitler was a Conservative", they are REALLY Comparing American Conservatives to Jew Killers… There’s no more or less to it than that.

If they were Comparing Political Ideologies, they wouldn't be able to say a Word that was True in that Comparison… It’s why they Never lend Substance to these Trite Platitudes.

"The National Socialist Program advocated uniting the German people (through pan-Germanism), implementing profit-sharing in industry, nationalizing trusts, providing an extensive welfare state, instituting government control of the media, and persecuting Jews..."

National Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, aside from the Issues that Hilter had with the Communist Jews upon his Rise to Power and to the Holocaust it eventually lead to, the Political Ideologies of the Nazis were FAR MORE in Line with the Modern Liberal than ANYHTING Jesus Advocated for, and Certainly NOT anything that American Conservatives are Advocating for today.

Jesus Advocated for Individual Action based in Free Will, not a Collective Mandate from a Government Institution that Required "Charity" as a Matter of Law.

“Charity” Ceases to be Charity when it is Forced.

This is a Concept that Eludes the (m)inds of Most Liberals… Primarily because the Ignorant Emotion and Reaction that Drives them on a Daily leaves them Incapable of Understanding things that are Generally Accepted as Common Sense to Most Thinking People.

Anyone who Feels that Jesus would have been for Modern American Liberalism, is either Ignorant of History or Dishonest... In some Cases, both.

It’s this Simple… Modern Liberalism NEGATES “Free Will” just as Nazism did before it, something that is at the Core of what True Charity is and always has been.

Either way, if you are a Liberal who says, "Jesus was a Liberal... Hitler was a Conservative", please do some Research and Educate yourself if you are Capable.

You only sound Intelligent to other Ignorant and Dishonest Liberals.

If that's enough for you to get to Sleep at Night or gets you Accepted in your Circles, then so be it...

Just Know that you are a Fool.

Copyright ©2010 - americanfreepress.org/tha malcontent​

peace...

Amen, and Hitler wanted all religous symbols removed from Germany so everyone could worship the 3rd Reich. Liberals want God taken out of the classroom, the ten commandments taken out of the courts. Liberals are Pro-choice, something I am certain that Jesus is not. He is Pro-Life. It seems to me that Liberals have more in common with Hitler than anyone else does.

Conservatives are by FAR, more generous and charitable for the less fortunate as they out-give liberals on every issue. My church is conservative and in just ONE weekend donated more than $100,000 to the Haiti relief fund.

President Bush gave to charities much more than Obama in a percentage of income.
Cheney gave MILLIONS TO CHARITY while Joe Biden gave an average of $329 a year. Google charitable donations and you will see all of this.

And to reinforce the absurdity that, using modern definitions of liberal and conservative, that Hitler was any kind of modern American conservative or that Jesus was any kind of modern American liberal, may I repeat myself?

Let's analyze this.

Jesus

--promoted women's rights, feeding the poor, clothing the naked, healing the sick, visiting those in prison, etc., giving of tithes, and living an ethical life. He also never once suggested that any of this was the responsibility of the government, but was what honorable people do for each other voluntarily. He further admonished people who envied and complained about those who had more, and endorsed an honest days work for one's pay. It was the individual's responsibility to prepare for his own future.

That looks pretty darn conservative by modern definitions of conservative in America.

Hitler:

- Advocated and forced consolidation of all government power into one central government that could not be questioned.

- Took over control of the schools

- Told the media what it must and must not broadcast or print.

- To bring down unemployment rates, promoted massive public works programs funded by massive deficits

- Promised all citizens full employment with great benefits and minimal standard of living

- Promoted a national health program

- Advocated very liberal views regarding sex and sexual behavior

- Forced some strict environmental controls

- Took control of the banks and most of the operations of large corporations

That sure doesn't look like a conservative agenda to me.

No, no, no!... Jesus was a Liberal, and he was Pro-Choice on Abortion...

Hilter was Anti-Abortion...



peace...

 

[L.K.Eder]

hilter was also totally down with the homos, you know, like the conservatives.

 

[mal]

hilter was also totally down with the homos, you know, like the conservatives.

Christ Viewed Homosexuality as Sin... He spent Time Primarily with the Sinners...

Be it Whores, Criminals or Homosexuals.

Homosexuals don't have an Ally in Christianity unless they Accept that what they are doing is an Abomination in God's Eyes, Repent and Try to End the Sin.

Most American Christian Churches are Accepting of Homosexuals who want to Stop the Sin of their Deviancy...

In the End, Hitler Killed a LOT of People... He was a Sick Fuck.

Nobody outside of the "God Hates Fags" Inbred Peices of Shit beleives that Homosexuals should be Judged by anyone but God for their Sin.



peace...

 

[Care4all]

Amen, and Hitler wanted all religous symbols removed from Germany so everyone could worship the 3rd Reich. Liberals want God taken out of the classroom, the ten commandments taken out of the courts. Liberals are Pro-choice, something I am certain that Jesus is not. He is Pro-Life. It seems to me that Liberals have more in common with Hitler than anyone else does.

Conservatives are by FAR, more generous and charitable for the less fortunate as they out-give liberals on every issue. My church is conservative and in just ONE weekend donated more than $100,000 to the Haiti relief fund.

President Bush gave to charities much more than Obama in a percentage of income.
Cheney gave MILLIONS TO CHARITY while Joe Biden gave an average of $329 a year. Google charitable donations and you will see all of this.

And to reinforce the absurdity that, using modern definitions of liberal and conservative, that Hitler was any kind of modern American conservative or that Jesus was any kind of modern American liberal, may I repeat myself?

Let's analyze this.

Jesus

--promoted women's rights, feeding the poor, clothing the naked, healing the sick, visiting those in prison, etc., giving of tithes, and living an ethical life. He also never once suggested that any of this was the responsibility of the government, but was what honorable people do for each other voluntarily. He further admonished people who envied and complained about those who had more, and endorsed an honest days work for one's pay. It was the individual's responsibility to prepare for his own future.

That looks pretty darn conservative by modern definitions of conservative in America.

Hitler:

- Advocated and forced consolidation of all government power into one central government that could not be questioned.

- Took over control of the schools

- Told the media what it must and must not broadcast or print.

- To bring down unemployment rates, promoted massive public works programs funded by massive deficits

- Promised all citizens full employment with great benefits and minimal standard of living

- Promoted a national health program

- Advocated very liberal views regarding sex and sexual behavior

- Forced some strict environmental controls

- Took control of the banks and most of the operations of large corporations

That sure doesn't look like a conservative agenda to me.

No, no, no!... Jesus was a Liberal, and he was Pro-Choice on Abortion...

Hilter was Anti-Abortion...



peace...

so that's it? the term liberal or conservative is defined by Abortion laws in this country???

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Liberals are Pro-choice

Not necessarily

something I am certain that Jesus is not. He is Pro-Life.

Let me google that for you

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Let's analyze this.

Jesus

--promoted women's rights, feeding the poor, clothing the naked, healing the sick, visiting those in prison, etc., giving of tithes, and living an ethical life.

liberal progressivism...

He also never once suggested that any of this was the responsibility of the government,

Not quite. it's the duty of the 'true' or 'correct' government, which is an authoritarian system where God rules over all- such as is the case in heaven and will be during the 100 Year Reign, with Jesus as the one and only ruler on Earth.

Very authoritarian leftist.

but was what honorable people do for each other voluntarily. He further admonished people who envied and complained about those who had more,

And was against the accumulation of wealth. His disciples lived in what amounted to a roaming commune.

and endorsed an honest days work for one's pay.

They lived off of handouts, remember?

That looks pretty darn conservative by modern definitions of conservative in America.

Are you fucking stupid?

 

[DiamondDave]

Let's analyze this.

Jesus

--promoted women's rights, feeding the poor, clothing the naked, healing the sick, visiting those in prison, etc., giving of tithes, and living an ethical life.

liberal progressivism...

He also never once suggested that any of this was the responsibility of the government,

Not quite. it's the duty of the 'true' or 'correct' government, which is an authoritarian system where God rules over all- such as is the case in heaven and will be during the 100 Year Reign, with Jesus as the one and only ruler on Earth.

Very authoritarian leftist.


And was against the accumulation of wealth. His disciples lived in what amounted to a roaming commune.

and endorsed an honest days work for one's pay.

They lived off of handouts, remember?

That looks pretty darn conservative by modern definitions of conservative in America.

Are you fucking stupid?

Are you really that fucking stupid??

Liberal progressiveness only when you MANDATE involuntary donation by the force of government.. this was not the case... and no matter how much spin you try, you ain't showing otherwise

There was nothing where God forced redistribution to the poor at the expense of the rich... but a call to do it ones self by the deeds you wish to do.... but nice try again

Jesus as an authoritarian leftist?? Yeah... and you're not a commie.... both of those are about as true as lead having the same atomic weight as hydrogen


Oh.. and as previously posted...

"In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." "

 

[mal]

And to reinforce the absurdity that, using modern definitions of liberal and conservative, that Hitler was any kind of modern American conservative or that Jesus was any kind of modern American liberal, may I repeat myself?

Let's analyze this.

Jesus

--promoted women's rights, feeding the poor, clothing the naked, healing the sick, visiting those in prison, etc., giving of tithes, and living an ethical life. He also never once suggested that any of this was the responsibility of the government, but was what honorable people do for each other voluntarily. He further admonished people who envied and complained about those who had more, and endorsed an honest days work for one's pay. It was the individual's responsibility to prepare for his own future.

That looks pretty darn conservative by modern definitions of conservative in America.

Hitler:

- Advocated and forced consolidation of all government power into one central government that could not be questioned.

- Took over control of the schools

- Told the media what it must and must not broadcast or print.

- To bring down unemployment rates, promoted massive public works programs funded by massive deficits

- Promised all citizens full employment with great benefits and minimal standard of living

- Promoted a national health program

- Advocated very liberal views regarding sex and sexual behavior

- Forced some strict environmental controls

- Took control of the banks and most of the operations of large corporations

That sure doesn't look like a conservative agenda to me.

No, no, no!... Jesus was a Liberal, and he was Pro-Choice on Abortion...

Hilter was Anti-Abortion...



peace...

so that's it? the term liberal or conservative is defined by Abortion laws in this country???

Of course not...

But you Understand the Point, Correct?...



peace...

 

[☭proletarian☭]

There was nothing where God forced redistribution to the poor at the expense of the rich...

The giant cube city sounds awfully Utopian to me.

Jesus as an authoritarian leftist??

Promoted the authoritarian dictatorship of God in heaven and of himself on Earth (100 Year Reign).

Yep Authoritarian.


Promoted leftists egalitarianism among the masses, opposed wealth distribution, attacked the money changers (bankers)... yep leftist


Jesus = Authoritarian Leftist

Yeah... and you're not a commie....

You're just now figuring that out?

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.

57As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, "I will follow you wherever you go." 58Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."
59He said to another man, "Follow me."
But the man replied, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father."
60Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God."
61 Still another said, "I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say good-by to my family."
62Jesus replied, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."

His disciples left their jobs and abandoned their families to become wandering bums along with him.

“Go; behold, I send you out as lambs in the midst of wolves. 4 “Carry no money belt, no bag, no shoes; and greet no one on the way.

With no money, they paid for nothing.

7 “Stay in that house, eating and drinking what they give you

Living off of other people's handouts.


The only limit he said was that they were only to mooch off of one family.

Do not keep moving from house to house. 8 “Whatever city you enter and they receive you, eat what is set before you;

And if they wouldn't give them handouts?

10 “But whatever city you enter and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, 11 ‘Even the dust of your city which clings to our feet we wipe off in protest against you; yet be sure of this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’ 12 “I say to you, it will be more tolerable in that day for Sodom than for that city.

(Luke 10: 3-12)

For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it.

See above.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Hell, they guy cursed a fig tree because it didn't have any free figs on it to be plucked!

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I quote Jesus


You quote Paul

 

[Care4all]

well, i think the main premise of Christianity as a religion is that Christ took the punishment and suffering and He sacrificed himself and died for the sins of everyone else, so that we would not be held accountable for our own dirty deeds....our own sins.... HOW is that CONSERVATIVE in nature or in any manner supporting our own personal responsibility?

NOT that i don't believe that God would like to see us all prosper from our own toils, from our own work...I do believe this....

BUT proletarian does have a good point....Christ and the apostles lived day to day, by handouts from strangers for a good part of their lives....

And no, I do not think Christ was a Democrat of today nor do I think he was a Republican of today....but I do believe he was liberal and against the authoritarian leaders of his religion and they had him killed for his radical liberalism of the time.

 

[DiamondDave]

Ahh... you fuck nut

Taking snips out of context and not in the whole scope... nice try.. don't fly

God and the concept of a religious heaven is now being equated to as authoritarian leftist by the idiot commie.. this is too rich..

I'll tell you what there sparky... if you think it is forced, I'll see ya there.... since I know it ain't forced, and you don't believe, I know I won't see you there to tell you you are wrong

The entire preaching and religion is calling for something but the voluntary participation in the charitable behavior... not with someone confiscating it from you.... which is right in line with the voluntary charity over forced redistribution... which is CERTAINLY not what you leftists promote... no matter how you try and spin it

While Lord knows abandoning families, wandering around, and doing what feels right fits right in to the leftist mantra... I did not see a single disciple or Christ using the power of government, force, a collection scheme, or anything else to force from someone who did not wish to voluntarily give of themselves

Christ was neither conservative nor liberal in the context of what those things are today..

All we have here are some little partisan piss ants claiming Christ for a political movement while trying to throw a tyrant on the lap of their political opponents...

I would not put Hitler onto liberalism, even if he was a tyrant nutbag murderer that strove for national socialism.... nor do I put him on conservatism because of him fitting nothing of the pillars of what conservatism is... I put him on the pile with you though, a completely whacked up idiot with delusions of grandure and a bunch of misguided ideas about government and leadership

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Commie? There's a Communist in this thread?


Care, is he talking about you?

While Lord knows abandoning families, wandering around, and doing what feels right fits right in to the leftist mantra..

So you admit Jesus was a leftist?

 

[Care4all]

Commie? There's a Communist in this thread?


Care, is he talking about you?

While Lord knows abandoning families, wandering around, and doing what feels right fits right in to the leftist mantra..

So you admit Jesus was a leftist?

nahhhh, dave is talking to you dear!