Jeff Sessions wants police to take more cash from American citizens

[MindWars]

Jeff Sessions wants police to take more cash from American citizens

Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Monday said he'd be issuing a new directive this week aimed at increasing police seizures of cash and property.

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This pos bastard needs to go, and once again don't think you are not going to be a victim of this. Because anybody can be a victim and you do not have to be a drug dealer to lose everything you have.

 

[JGalt]

The thought of more confiscation of assets from criminals, gives me a raging hard on. Maybe they'll think first the next time they want to do something stupid.

 

[MindWars]

The thought of more confiscation of assets from criminals, gives me a raging hard on. Maybe they'll think first the next time they want to do something stupid.

It's too bad it doesn't work like that.

You can have it done to you. All it takes is being pulled over.
Among a few other situations.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

As long as they have iron clad proof I dont have a problem with it.

 

[fncceo]

The thought of more confiscation of assets from criminals, gives me a raging hard on. Maybe they'll think first the next time they want to do something stupid.

This is often thought of as a 'police seizure' because police are typically on the business end of the confiscation. City, County, and State bureaucrats order the seizures and keep the money / assets but use police to do the dirty work.

Police commissioners / chiefs can broker a deal for a taste of the money cake, but politicians treat seizures like taxes.

This is a shameful practice. Remember, many of these property seizures can occur pre-conviction before guilt has been established and can take years to return in the case of acquittal.

 

[JGalt]

The thought of more confiscation of assets from criminals, gives me a raging hard on. Maybe they'll think first the next time they want to do something stupid.

It's too bad it doesn't work like that.

You can have it done to you. All it takes is being pulled over.
Among a few other situations.

I'm not really concerned. The incidence of people committing multiple crimes and never getting caught, is infinitely higher than the people being arrested for crimes they didn't commit. So everyone needs to share the guilt equally. "From those according to their abilities, to those according to their needs." Isn't that how it's all supposed to work, from the left's point of view? If you're gonna share the wealth, you might as well to share the guilt too.

It's all a matter of perspective, son. Is it a forest or just some trees?

 

[fncceo]

The incidence of people committing multiple crimes and never getting caught, is infinitely higher than the people being arrested for crimes they didn't commit.

Police are the only morally authorized use of force on civilians in society. Police MUST err on the side of caution in all cases. And in no case should any American (regardless of his alleged crimes) be deprived of property without due process.

You might remember we fought a war over just this very thing.

 

[JGalt]

The incidence of people committing multiple crimes and never getting caught, is infinitely higher than the people being arrested for crimes they didn't commit.

Police are the only morally authorized use of force on civilians in society. Police MUST err on the side of caution in all cases. And in no case should any American (regardless of his alleged crimes) be deprived of property without due process.

You might remember we fought a war over just this very thing.

I somehow doubt that those colonials were trafficking in drugs.

 

[fncceo]

I somehow doubt that those colonials were trafficking in drugs.

I'm a police officer and I'll state without reserve that the crime doesn't matter. Due process is sacrosanct. The application of the law has to occur without prejudice in order to maintain the moral justification for force.

Remember, these seizures are not police policy and police don't benefit from them. The recipients of these monies are state bureaucrats.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The thought of more confiscation of assets from criminals, gives me a raging hard on. Maybe they'll think first the next time they want to do something stupid.

Spoken like a true ignoramus who has no clue how much abuse there is in civil asset forfeiture against innocent people. Sessions proves once again what a backwards clown he is when he starts pushing this just as states are reforming their forfeiture laws to stop innocent people from being victims at the hands of law enforcement.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Remember, these seizures are not police policy and police don't benefit from them. .

That is not entirely true. A lot of police departments have been padding their budgets with forfeiture funds.

Texas law states that the proceeds of any seizures can be used only for "official purposes" of district attorney offices and "for law-enforcement purposes" by police departments. According to public records obtained by CNN using open-records laws, an account funded by property forfeitures in Russell's office included $524 for a popcorn machine, $195 for candy for a poultry festival, and $400 for catering.

In addition, Russell donated money to the local chamber of commerce and a youth baseball league. A local Baptist church received two checks totaling $6,000.

And one check for $10,000 went to Barry Washington, a Tenaha police officer whose name has come up in several complaints by stopped motorists. The money was paid for "investigative costs," the records state.

Texas police shake down drivers, lawsuit claims - CNN.com

You should actually read that entire article. What was going on in that town was criminal and it's amazing to me to this day nobody has been arrested for it.

 

[JGalt]

I somehow doubt that those colonials were trafficking in drugs.

I'm a police officer and I'll state without reserve that the crime doesn't matter. Due process is sacrosanct. The application of the law has to occur without prejudice in order to maintain the moral justification for force.

Remember, these seizures are not police policy and police don't benefit from them. The recipients of these monies are state bureaucrats.

So what you're telling me is that the socialist's dream of everyone "sharing the pain" is not a good idea? Thank you. Point made.

But personally, it doesn't rank high on my list of things to worry about. The liberal Washington Post tends to sensationalize things, so it probably doesn't happen as often as they're saying.

 

[Dale Smith]

So, let'a say that I have a few hundred dollars in my pocket. I get pulled over for a traffic violation.....they have another cop car that pulls up for back up.....and they claim they smell pot in my car? They can under the guise of " reasonable suspicion" search my car, go though my wallet and declare that the three hundred dollars in my wallet was due to a drug sale and the onus is on me to prove that I simply withdrew it from my account even though the illegal search and seizure turned up nothing....are you ok with that????


BTW, USA.INC is the biggest drug trafficking entity. The CIA brings it in, the drug traffickers sell it and then cops arrest the dealers, confiscate the money, arrest the users and then get them into the judicial system so that they have access to their birth certificate bond which is why every crime under the Uniform Commercial Code has a monetary value.

 

[fncceo]

As long as they have iron clad proof I dont have a problem with it.

Iron clad proof must be established by a court of law. Police gather evidence and establish the facts of a case. They do not try a case or pronounce judgement.

 

[fncceo]

So what you're telling me is that the socialist's dream of everyone "sharing the pain" is not a good idea?

Thank you. Point made.

I've never been called a socialist before. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool paleo-conservative. But, I'm not sure how seizing the property of an unconvicted citizen is sharing pain.

In fact, state seizure of property is a practice more at home in the former Soviet Union than the United States.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

In fact, state seizure of property is a practice more at home in the former Soviet Union than the United States.

As I've noted many times, so-called "Law and Order" conservatives have a lot in common with the dictators and Communists they hate.

 

[fncceo]

You should actually read that entire article. What was going on in that town was criminal and it's amazing to me to this day nobody has been arrested for it.

If that happened, there should be criminal prosecution. I agree. Flagrant abuse of police powers.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

As long as they have iron clad proof I dont have a problem with it.

Iron clad proof must be established by a court of law. Police gather evidence and establish the facts of a case. They do not try a case or pronounce judgement.

That goes without saying.

 

[fncceo]

so-called "Law and Order" conservatives

I'm very much a 'law-and-order conservative'. But, this is a moral issue. When the state operates outside of its mandate it loses its moral foundation.

In my opinion, the state has no right to seize property from unconvicted citizens.

 

[MindWars]

As long as they have iron clad proof I dont have a problem with it.

Iron clad proof must be established by a court of law. Police gather evidence and establish the facts of a case. They do not try a case or pronounce judgement.

They just make bs up as they go along. Hammering anything they can just as long as they can make all the pieces fit.

If they can't charge the person, the courts can and will get this " Charge your money/ belongings " for the crime. Your money is guilty as charged.