It's Unanimous: No One Likes the Ryan Budget

[Greenbeard]

... now that it's almost November 2012 they want to pretend it never happened.

There is no such thing as the Ryan budget.

The spirit of denial seems to have trickled down to the rank-and-file flacks.

Down the memory hole it goes!

 

[SniperFire]

You don't want Medicare costs cut? Your position is that Medicare costs should simply rise in accordance with the rate of medical cost inflation?

That's very socialist of you. lolol

I guess you didn't read the post directly above this one.

Why am I not surprised...?

PolitiFact | Paul Ryan said President Obama

Ryan said Obama "funneled" $716 billion out of Medicare "at the expense of the elderly." This gives a very misleading impression.

In fact, the law limits payments to health care providers and insurers to try to reduce the rapid growth of future Medicare spending. Lawmakers said they hoped the measures would improve care and efficiency. Those savings, spread out over the next 10 years, are then used to offset costs created by the law (especially coverage for the uninsured) so that the overall law doesn't add to the deficit. Ryan’s statement is exaggerated and we rate it Mostly False.

Your libtard 'politfact' check said that Obama raided Medicare for $716 billion to pay for Obamacare.


LOL

 

[NYcarbineer]

$716 BILLION....

Oblama attacks Medicare, the ONLY person EVER to cut the program.

You don't want Medicare costs cut? Your position is that Medicare costs should simply rise in accordance with the rate of medical cost inflation?

That's very socialist of you. lolol

I guess you didn't read the post directly above this one.

Why am I not surprised...?

You should go to the flame zone if you need to act like an asshole.

 

[J.E.D]

Ahhh... You are talking about the HOUSE of Representatives budget passed by the House for fiscal year 2013.



LOL

Yes, the House of Representatives Committee on the Budget, chaired by Rep Paul Ryan of Wisconsin. That's the budget we're referring to. Nothing gets by you, huh?

 

[GuyPinestra]

$716 BILLION....

Oblama attacks Medicare, the ONLY person EVER to cut the program.

You guys tell us we need to make $10 trillion in cuts, but you don't want to cut spending on defense, and you now say you don't want any cuts to Medicare even after supporting Ryan's original plan that would have cut much more from Medicare. Either way, where are you going to make the cuts? All of a sudden, you cons are acting like liberals who don't want to cut anything, or are you just going to make all the cuts to welfare programs since the poor don't need any help anyway?

If a Democrat tries to cut spending, Republicans will tell us how bad this is. You can't make this shit up, it's fucking hilarious.

Gawd, you libs are DENSE. Of course I want the cuts, and I stated that quite clearly. $25 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities and bankrupt in 12 years. I'm simply pointing out your utter hypocrisy in attacking Ryan for PROPOSING it while you give Obummer a pass for actually DOING it.

Granted, I don't like how he shifted the money to ObamaCare, but that will stop come November anyway.

 

[SniperFire]

Ahhh... You are talking about the HOUSE of Representatives budget passed by the House for fiscal year 2013.



LOL

Yes, the House of Representatives Committee on the Budget, chaired by Rep Paul Ryan of Wisconsin. That's the budget we're referring to. Nothing gets by you, huh?

We agree then, fuckstick.

Do better next time!

 

[Lovebears65]

about medicare and the cuts. They are defiantly being cut. My mom just got a letter stating that her therapy come Jan 1 will have a cap of 1200 a year. She has had so much trouble with her knee replacement because they found out her hip needs surgery now too .. Since she is close to her to what her cap will be for next year ,this year they sent a letter and said that her benefits are changing and she will not be getting as many treatments.. Tell me again how it wont change Medicare for patients because it sure is effecting my mom

 

[J.E.D]

I guess you didn't read the post directly above this one.

Why am I not surprised...?

PolitiFact | Paul Ryan said President Obama

Ryan said Obama "funneled" $716 billion out of Medicare "at the expense of the elderly." This gives a very misleading impression.

In fact, the law limits payments to health care providers and insurers to try to reduce the rapid growth of future Medicare spending. Lawmakers said they hoped the measures would improve care and efficiency. Those savings, spread out over the next 10 years, are then used to offset costs created by the law (especially coverage for the uninsured) so that the overall law doesn't add to the deficit. Ryan’s statement is exaggerated and we rate it Mostly False.

Your libtard 'politfact' check said that Obama raided Medicare for $716 billion to pay for Obamacare.


LOL

You're not too bright, are you?

PolitiFact | Paul Ryan said President Obama

Ryan’s comments are highly misleading. Neither Obama nor his health care law literally cut funding from the Medicare program’s budget. Still, the number has a slight basis in fact.

The health care law instituted a number of changes to try to bring down future health care costs in the program. The total anticipated savings comes to $716 billion over the next 10 years, as determined by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

We should note that both parties agree Medicare spending is increasing too fast as baby boomers retire and medical costs increase. The government needs to find savings so those costs don’t overwhelm the federal budget in the future.

So, yes, Obama’s law did find $716 billion in spending reductions. They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law made significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But the plans have actually cost the government more than traditional Medicare. The health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.

 

[SniperFire]

about medicare and the cuts. They are defiantly being cut. My mom just got a letter stating that her therapy come Jan 1 will have a cap of 1200 a year. She has had so much trouble with her knee replacement because they found out her hip needs surgery now too .. Since she is close to her to what her cap will be for next year ,this year they sent a letter and said that her benefits are changing and she will not be getting as many treatments.. Tell me again how it wont change Medicare for patients because it sure is effecting my mom

Worse than the $716 already cut, Obama's new Death Panel begins January 1 to find even more cuts!

Die quickly, granny!!

 

[J.E.D]

Ahhh... You are talking about the HOUSE of Representatives budget passed by the House for fiscal year 2013.



LOL

Yes, the House of Representatives Committee on the Budget, chaired by Rep Paul Ryan of Wisconsin. That's the budget we're referring to. Nothing gets by you, huh?

We agree then, fuckstick.

Do better next time!

Hey, you're the sniveling douche nozzle who claimed it doesn't exist. Once again, you were wrong. It's become quite a habit of yours. Glad I could help you see the light.

 

[GuyPinestra]

You don't want Medicare costs cut? Your position is that Medicare costs should simply rise in accordance with the rate of medical cost inflation?

That's very socialist of you. lolol

I guess you didn't read the post directly above this one.

Why am I not surprised...?

You should go to the flame zone if you need to act like an asshole.

So pointing out your lack of reading comprehension is upsetting to you? Tough shit!

 

[SniperFire]

PolitiFact | Paul Ryan said President Obama

Ryan said Obama "funneled" $716 billion out of Medicare "at the expense of the elderly." This gives a very misleading impression.

In fact, the law limits payments to health care providers and insurers to try to reduce the rapid growth of future Medicare spending. Lawmakers said they hoped the measures would improve care and efficiency. Those savings, spread out over the next 10 years, are then used to offset costs created by the law (especially coverage for the uninsured) so that the overall law doesn't add to the deficit. Ryan’s statement is exaggerated and we rate it Mostly False.

Your libtard 'politfact' check said that Obama raided Medicare for $716 billion to pay for Obamacare.


LOL

You're not too bright, are you?

PolitiFact | Paul Ryan said President Obama

Ryan’s comments are highly misleading. Neither Obama nor his health care law literally cut funding from the Medicare program’s budget. Still, the number has a slight basis in fact.

The health care law instituted a number of changes to try to bring down future health care costs in the program. The total anticipated savings comes to $716 billion over the next 10 years, as determined by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

We should note that both parties agree Medicare spending is increasing too fast as baby boomers retire and medical costs increase. The government needs to find savings so those costs don’t overwhelm the federal budget in the future.

So, yes, Obama’s law did find $716 billion in spending reductions. They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law made significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But the plans have actually cost the government more than traditional Medicare. The health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.

Dude. Just because some Libtard pretending to be a 'fact checker' spun some rhetoric that made you all wet does not change the simple fact.

The Medicare money was indeed diverted to pay for Obamacare. Your 'factcheck' even admits it.

 

[Greenbeard]

about medicare and the cuts. They are defiantly being cut. My mom just got a letter stating that her therapy come Jan 1 will have a cap of 1200 a year. She has had so much trouble with her knee replacement because they found out her hip needs surgery now too .. Since she is close to her to what her cap will be for next year ,this year they sent a letter and said that her benefits are changing and she will not be getting as many treatments.. Tell me again how it wont change Medicare for patients because it sure is effecting my mom

Medicare Therapy Cap

Under the Balanced Budget Act (BBA) of 1997 [a Republican] Congress placed an annual cap on rehabilitation services under Medicare. As part of the Deficit Reduction Act (DRA) in 2006, [a Republican] Congress passed legislation implementing the therapy caps but authorizing the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) to create and employ an exceptions process to permit medically necessary physical therapy, occupational therapy, and speech language pathology services above cap. On April 14, 2011, Congressmen Jim Gerlach (R-PA) and Xavier Becerra (D-CA) and Senators Ben Cardin (D-MD) and Susan Collins (R-ME) introduced The Medicare Access to Rehabilitation Services Act (HR 1546/S 829). This legislation seeks to repeal the cap on therapy services for Medicare beneficiaries.

On February 22, 2012, President Obama signed a measure to extend the therapy cap exceptions until December 31, 2012. If Congress does not take action by December 31, 2012, a hard therapy cap will again be imposed on Medicare-covered therapy.

I bet you geniuses vote Republican, too.

 

[Wry Catcher]

about medicare and the cuts. They are defiantly being cut. My mom just got a letter stating that her therapy come Jan 1 will have a cap of 1200 a year. She has had so much trouble with her knee replacement because they found out her hip needs surgery now too .. Since she is close to her to what her cap will be for next year ,this year they sent a letter and said that her benefits are changing and she will not be getting as many treatments.. Tell me again how it wont change Medicare for patients because it sure is effecting my mom

Medicare Therapy Cap

Under the Balanced Budget Act (BBA) of 1997 [a Republican] Congress placed an annual cap on rehabilitation services under Medicare. As part of the Deficit Reduction Act (DRA) in 2006, [a Republican] Congress passed legislation implementing the therapy caps but authorizing the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) to create and employ an exceptions process to permit medically necessary physical therapy, occupational therapy, and speech language pathology services above cap. On April 14, 2011, Congressmen Jim Gerlach (R-PA) and Xavier Becerra (D-CA) and Senators Ben Cardin (D-MD) and Susan Collins (R-ME) introduced The Medicare Access to Rehabilitation Services Act (HR 1546/S 829). This legislation seeks to repeal the cap on therapy services for Medicare beneficiaries.

On February 22, 2012, President Obama signed a measure to extend the therapy cap exceptions until December 31, 2012. If Congress does not take action by December 31, 2012, a hard therapy cap will again be imposed on Medicare-covered therapy.

I bet you geniuses vote Republican, too.

Now you've done it. The 'geniuses' will need to cut and run to another thread to spread more of their ignorance with hysterical fervor.

 

[Stephanie]

about medicare and the cuts. They are defiantly being cut. My mom just got a letter stating that her therapy come Jan 1 will have a cap of 1200 a year. She has had so much trouble with her knee replacement because they found out her hip needs surgery now too .. Since she is close to her to what her cap will be for next year ,this year they sent a letter and said that her benefits are changing and she will not be getting as many treatments.. Tell me again how it wont change Medicare for patients because it sure is effecting my mom

Medicare Therapy Cap

Under the Balanced Budget Act (BBA) of 1997 [a Republican] Congress placed an annual cap on rehabilitation services under Medicare. As part of the Deficit Reduction Act (DRA) in 2006, [a Republican] Congress passed legislation implementing the therapy caps but authorizing the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) to create and employ an exceptions process to permit medically necessary physical therapy, occupational therapy, and speech language pathology services above cap. On April 14, 2011, Congressmen Jim Gerlach (R-PA) and Xavier Becerra (D-CA) and Senators Ben Cardin (D-MD) and Susan Collins (R-ME) introduced The Medicare Access to Rehabilitation Services Act (HR 1546/S 829). This legislation seeks to repeal the cap on therapy services for Medicare beneficiaries.

On February 22, 2012, President Obama signed a measure to extend the therapy cap exceptions until December 31, 2012. If Congress does not take action by December 31, 2012, a hard therapy cap will again be imposed on Medicare-covered therapy.

I bet you geniuses vote Republican, too.

Now you've done it. The 'geniuses' will need to cut and run to another thread to spread more of their ignorance with hysterical fervor.

oh brother...that is your post

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Republican lawmakers and candidates are distancing themselves from the Ryan budget plan, which helped make the proposed changes a national issue. Republicans say the party now belongs to the more senior — and historically more malleable — member of the ticket, Mr. Romney, and not Mr. Ryan, the younger conservative firebrand who has become the subject of repeated Democratic criticism.

Translation:

Republicans are cowards, and lack the courage to stand by the votes they cast and positions they take.

 

[Stephanie]

Republican lawmakers and candidates are distancing themselves from the Ryan budget plan, which helped make the proposed changes a national issue. Republicans say the party now belongs to the more senior — and historically more malleable — member of the ticket, Mr. Romney, and not Mr. Ryan, the younger conservative firebrand who has become the subject of repeated Democratic criticism.

Translation:

Republicans are cowards, and lack the courage to stand by the votes they cast and positions they take.

yeah well you surely say the same about Democrats and that wonderful budget they passed?
oh wait,

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ryan went from being a prominent voice proclaiming the need to cut Medicare,

to being a prominent voice sounding the alarm that it is Obama who is cutting Medicare

and the he and Romney are the only ones who can protect every penny of your Medicare entitlement.

Gee, I wonder why such a flip-flop occurred. What happened, of significance in Paul Ryan's life, in the last few weeks,

that might have inspired such a shift from principle to pander????

Anyone?

 

[kaz]

It's Unanimous: No One Likes the Ryan Budget

He has three years to go to match Obama's 4 straight years without getting a single vote for his budget

 

[EriktheRed]

yeah. They voted for it for appearances but when the rubber hit the road they threw it under the bus faster than they did Akin (R)

you are talking the Democrats voting on the Obama's budgets right?
ah probably not, you all don't WANT to TALK about that, because HIS OWN PARTY thew it down the toilet it was so bad

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I believe they call this delflection, right?