CDZ Its rough, but I can compromise and outlaw most abortions.

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  1. Toronado3800
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    Compromise can be a bitter pill to swallow but today I realized I could outlaw abortion if the following (difficult) conditions are agreed to in law. And maybe a few others you all can think of.

    -We must vote as a nation to see what the country believes.

    -Any ban must be Federal. We are not creating 50 non-equal districts.

    -If abortion is outlawed there will be a donation line attached to Federal 1040 forms the next year. The "support the children" fund. Whatever percentage of the population voted for abortion, that percentage better donate enough to that fund to pay for the any increase in adoptees or abortion will be allowed for the next 100 years.

    -Churches pay taxes just like corporations. Sales taxes on donations received, taxes on property, earnings, the whole bit. There is big money in churches. There is religion in outlawing abortion.

    -Churches must provide foster care for these new precious lives they saved. It will help the churches obtain non-profit status and if they do it well you will have more Muslims, Lutherans, Catholics, whatevers in a generation.

    -Getting an abortion in another country is punishable upon return just like murder and there is a reward for foreigners turning in aborters. Rich gals have an advantage. They can get off work and go places to get an abortion. Poor gals can't afford trips to other states or wherever. We're equal, enjoy it.

    -No pills which do anything worse than spermicide....
     
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    Interesting, but I disagree

    I want Roe overturned and for abortion policies set by each state

    Because 10th amendment...
     
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    I've always found it a weird argument. Can you explain why you want to have something to be decided on state level, and not on individual bases, or federal bases? If you think something is morally wrong, going as far a calling somebody who has an abortion a murderer. Why does the state's view on morality have more validity as the individuals, or the country for that matter?
     
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    For a couple of reasons, the most important being that I see it as how the Constitution was intended to work

    Plus, this allows the people to decide their own standards on a more local level

    I do think abortion is murder, but I shy away from a "hard line" on that because I recognize that it's a complicated issue
     
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    Roe vs Wade was decided in the supreme court, which means those the constitution entitled to make those judgements disagree with your interpretation of it.
    What's more local than making the decision on your own personal opinion of morality. That's why I find it a weird argument. The argument for a state level is that it brings the decision closer to the people. But the same people who advocate it, shy away from letting people making their own choices.
     
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    Because it's not murder. Just like a miscarriage isn't a death in the family. No casket or funeral.
     
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    Odd compromise
     
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    Not true, funerals happen all the time, sometimes no casket but a gravestone is still purchased. And miscarriage does not happen on purpose. If someone dies accidentally hitting a tree with their car we don't call it murder.
     
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    No but you must have a funeral.

    When you scramble an egg you didn't kill a chicken.
     
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    Let's say the country "votes" and finds abortion to be wrong...You wish to then punish the churches for being in the right side of the argument? Because America found abortion immoral? That would be like the south saying to the abolitionist, ok we'll release the slaves...but you are financially responsible for them. Slavery is wrong but the abolitionist have to house, feed, and support the slaves? Does that make any sense to you? If abortion is wrong....shouldn't the responsibility fall on the individuals being irresponsible not using birth control when participating in the act of reproduction? Birth control that is super cheap, super accessible, and super effective. Is it really the churches fault that people don't practice safe sex? Not to mention not all churches are opposed to abortion, so you're just going to indiscriminately tax them...because a law changed?
     

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