It's Good To Be Rich! More Republican Tax Breaks!

[LogikAndReazon]

The middle class needs free pre school, childcare, primary school, university, healthcare, foodcare, and subsidized housing and retirement.

To be FAIR !!! Lol

 

[JimH52]

Govt owes the middle class something ? Fascinating........

True, they owe the middle class nothing. But they should have a moral obligation to keep from passing legislation that adds to the middle class an additional tax burden, resulting from the "gifts" they see fit to award the wealthy. The middle class is only asking for a level field. The GOP thinks a level field is to give the rich a huge head start. That is wrong!

 

[JimH52]

It is amazing what mindless drivel that you RWers can come up with the justify the GOP screwing over the middle class.....again. Just Amazing!

Fuck you. That is all that ever needs to be said to the likes of you.

Another intellectual comment from a RWer....

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Leftwing imbeciles seem to have a need to describe tax cuts as lost revenue that has to be made up, and made up by the middle class.

RETARDS

 

[hadit]

Leftwing imbeciles seem to have a need to describe tax cuts as lost revenue that has to be made up, and made up by the middle class.

RETARDS

I've noticed that they never worry about how the taxpayers are going to make up their lost revenue from increased taxes, such as those imposed on the middle and lower classes by obamadon'tcare.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yup...and in this case, the OP is about the Estate Tax which only affects a tiny portion of the richest of the rich and, is about inheritance. Those spoiled buggers didn't work for that money. Their parents or grandparents did.

Agreed, but how does that entitle the government to any more of it? They already paid taxes on that money when they earned it.

But the people who are getting it don't have to pay taxes on it...if I have to pay taxes on money I've earned seems to me they should.

THey have to pay taxes on money they earned too. They didnt earn the inheritance. It was a gift. Whats hard to understand here?

Leftists only like gifts when they're the recipients and the giver is Momma Government.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yup...and in this case, the OP is about the Estate Tax which only affects a tiny portion of the richest of the rich and, is about inheritance. Those spoiled buggers didn't work for that money. Their parents or grandparents did.

Agreed, but how does that entitle the government to any more of it? They already paid taxes on that money when they earned it.

when Daddy earned it, the kids who are getting it didn't pay squat.

I simply don't care. If Daddy made the money and wants to give it to his children, it's HIS choice, not yours. Why should they have to pay anything on a gift from their father?

unless the estate is worth over $10.8 million dollars, mom and dads kids don't pay squat either ... and dear old dad didn't get and keep the estate by being a dumbass. His financial lawyers and estate planners know exactly how to protect the kids. Anyone who believes he doesn't is dumb as a hammer.

Irrelevant. The money is his and his to distribute as he pleases upon his death. The government has no imperative to take any of it.

Well, THERE'S a concept they're completely unequipped to process.

 

[hadit]

Yup...and in this case, the OP is about the Estate Tax which only affects a tiny portion of the richest of the rich and, is about inheritance. Those spoiled buggers didn't work for that money. Their parents or grandparents did.

Agreed, but how does that entitle the government to any more of it? They already paid taxes on that money when they earned it.

But the people who are getting it don't have to pay taxes on it...if I have to pay taxes on money I've earned seems to me they should.

THey have to pay taxes on money they earned too. They didnt earn the inheritance. It was a gift. Whats hard to understand here?

Leftists only like gifts when they're the recipients and the giver is Momma Government.

Bottom line, they believe they are entitled to take a cut of EVERY peaceful, voluntary transaction between consenting people. Every single one. Best way to suck money out of an economy without earning any of it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, just less confiscation. Interestingly enough, the more you grab for, the less the government actually ends up with. It's a documented phenomenon.

I see, you complain about 'confiscation' but enjoy driving down public streets without paying a toll.

You do realize that taxes that some of us pay go to pay for those streets, right?

EVERYONE pays plenty of taxes EXCEPT the greedy rich, dupe.

Riiiiight. Rich people pay no taxes. And the greed is on the side of people keeping what belongs to them, rather than people demanding money from others. And black is white, up is down, a very merry un-birthday to you . . .

You do realize that this isn't Wonderland, right?

So Romney paid 10% in all taxes, while you pay 28%- very fair, Hater dupes!! And many others pay zero- including 55% of giant corps with their legions of lawyers, accountants, and lobbyists. Great job, RW idiots...

So you believed and memorized a bunch of dishonest talking points, regurgitated them at my feet, and expect me to simply accept them? Very likely, right up there with my backyard being invaded by Martians.

Great job, leftwing flatliner.

 

[The Rabbi]

Govt owes the middle class something ? Fascinating........

True, they owe the middle class nothing. But they should have a moral obligation to keep from passing legislation that adds to the middle class an additional tax burden, resulting from the "gifts" they see fit to award the wealthy. The middle class is only asking for a level field. The GOP thinks a level field is to give the rich a huge head start. That is wrong!

The lower 47% of wage earners, that is the middle class, pay no income tax. The upper 10% pay virtually all income taxes. Yes we need a level playing field. Start taxing middle income wage earners.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Agreed, but how does that entitle the government to any more of it? They already paid taxes on that money when they earned it.

when Daddy earned it, the kids who are getting it didn't pay squat.

I simply don't care. If Daddy made the money and wants to give it to his children, it's HIS choice, not yours. Why should they have to pay anything on a gift from their father?

unless the estate is worth over $10.8 million dollars, mom and dads kids don't pay squat either ... and dear old dad didn't get and keep the estate by being a dumbass. His financial lawyers and estate planners know exactly how to protect the kids. Anyone who believes he doesn't is dumb as a hammer.

Irrelevant. The money is his and his to distribute as he pleases upon his death. The government has no imperative to take any of it.

Way to protect the 0.1% who have to pay estate taxes....after getting many millions untaxed to little trust fund tool GOPers...moron. GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country. Then there are the greedy chumps like you the GOP screws with their bs tax cuts, which end up only helping the very richest.

Yes, it's very hard for us to break the habit of thinking everyone is entitled to fair treatment by the government, even if you personally disapprove of and envy them.

There is simply nothing you're going to ever say about, "But they're RICH! They have stuff I don't!" that's going to give you the moral high ground.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I simply don't care. If Daddy made the money and wants to give it to his children, it's HIS choice, not yours. Why should they have to pay anything on a gift from their father?

unless the estate is worth over $10.8 million dollars, mom and dads kids don't pay squat either ... and dear old dad didn't get and keep the estate by being a dumbass. His financial lawyers and estate planners know exactly how to protect the kids. Anyone who believes he doesn't is dumb as a hammer.

Irrelevant. The money is his and his to distribute as he pleases upon his death. The government has no imperative to take any of it.

Way to protect the 0.1% who have to pay estate taxes....after getting many millions untaxed to little trust fund tool GOPers...moron. GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country. Then there are the greedy chumps like you the GOP screws with their bs tax cuts, which end up only helping the very richest.

What gives you, or the government, the right to take anything from the wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime? Answer, nothing. It's pure greed. And ya gotta love idiots who use stupid phrases like "GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country". Chumps.

GOOD citizens don't mind paying their fair share. You are shortsighted, selfish and a brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich who are screwing you and the country. YOUR taxes have gone UP under Reaganism, while the richest a-hole Pubs are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

It's certainly an experience to be called "greedy" by someone who's advocating taking other people's money away from them and spending it. It's like having Charles Manson call you bloodthirsty.

 

[Flopper]

Yea, it's just great for Wall Street but not for America. We are becoming a nation that manufactures nothing and consumes everything.

We manufacture more products today than we did 20 years ago.
Another myth of the Left exploded.

Today, just under 12 million Americans work in manufacturing, down from a peak of nearly 20 million in the late 1970s. If US manufacturing had kept up with population growth we would have over 35 million manufacturing jobs.

Of course, the reason for the decrease in manufacturing jobs in the US is not just corporate investment abroad. Automation took a huge toll in manufacturing. Also the wage differential between US and many other nations was responsible for losses not just in manufacturing but in many sectors. Who's going to pay ten or fifteen dollars an hour for workers in the US to manufacture widgets when it can done in 3rd world countries for two dollars and hour?

In the second half of the 20th century when first automation and then foreign competition took away jobs, we were told don't worry. New technology and better education would tip the scales in favor of American workers and there would be plenty of jobs and not just jobs but much better jobs with higher pay. What a lot of B.S. that was. High school students that had little or no aptitude for college filled the rolls of colleges across the country driving college cost up and the quality down. As a result we have millions of people that were best suited for working in semiskilled jobs that now have college degrees, a ton of college loan debt, and low paying dead end jobs.

Has U.S. manufacturing s comeback stalled

That supports my point, it doesnt refute it. We manufacture more but efficiency improvement have meant many fewer people are engaged in doing it. Just like agriculture 100 years ago. It isnt the crisis the left talks about.

We manufacture more high end products which requires smaller numbers of workers, many of them highly trained. This is fine for the top 50% in the country. For the rest, it's dead end jobs in retailing, construction, and the service industry which provides barely enough money to survive. Unless we provide better jobs for the bottom 50%, the socialism that exist to day will continue to grow.

Thanks for confirming that I was right and you were wrong. That's some kind of progress.
So your contention is that 50% of the workforce is in "dead end" jobs (whatever those are) that barely provide enough to survive? That is also false. The standard of living has risen considerably in this country over the last 30 years at least. Now, over the last 8 years there has been stagnation as there is little job creation and virtually no business creation. Blame Democrats for that one.

Yes, the standard of living is up, but for who. The bottom 50% in the US have just over 1% of the wealth down from 3.6% in 1995 and 2.8% in 2001. It their size of the pie continues to shrink, the welfare state will continue to grow. You would have to be blind not to see the danger in this trend.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Riiiiight. Rich people pay no taxes. And the greed is on the side of people keeping what belongs to them, rather than people demanding money from others. And black is white, up is down, a very merry un-birthday to you . . .

You do realize that this isn't Wonderland, right?

The wealthy do pay taxes, however, it's a much lower percentage of total income than you pay.

Which means nothing to anyone but you envious lefties, eating your livers out because other people's lives aren't as hard as yours are.

The numbers that actually concern me and are my business are the real-dollar amounts each group pays, and the percentage of total tax paid by each group. Getting myself into a lather trying to prevent them from having more net income than I do or than I think they ought to is not really in my wheelhouse.

"But look, they still have SO MUCH MONEY AFTERWARD!" Really? That's supposed to mean something to me?

 

[Flopper]

Leftwing imbeciles seem to have a need to describe tax cuts as lost revenue that has to be made up, and made up by the middle class.

RETARDS

What's your definition of middle class income?

 

[Cecilie1200]

The money was already earned by their family. I see no reason why the government is entitled to any piece of it simply because they pass it down to their children or grandchildren. This is nothing more than a class warfare argument.

Income tax is individual or couple, not family.

Besides, estate tax is exempt below $5.34M, why would you care?

Situational morality never ceases to flabbergast me. "It doesn't affect me, so screw you."

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yeah, and then all of our cadre of unicorns are going to turn around and fart glitter all over you, just to add insult to injury.

You must not have a point or you would have made one.

If you didn't get my point, you're the only one.

You didn't make a point, you bloviated.

In other words, you didn't like what you heard. Already knew that, not my problem.

By the way, what I actually did was mock and ridicule. I would think you'd be familiar with that by now.

 

[JimH52]

You all are going waaayyy off topic. This thread is about the GOP trying to sneak a couple of tax reductions for the wealthy though Congress. You are just trying to avoid the issue of the Thread. Which is understandable, given the track record of the repubs....

 

[francoHFW]

I see, you complain about 'confiscation' but enjoy driving down public streets without paying a toll.

You do realize that taxes that some of us pay go to pay for those streets, right?

EVERYONE pays plenty of taxes EXCEPT the greedy rich, dupe.

Riiiiight. Rich people pay no taxes. And the greed is on the side of people keeping what belongs to them, rather than people demanding money from others. And black is white, up is down, a very merry un-birthday to you . . .

You do realize that this isn't Wonderland, right?

So Romney paid 10% in all taxes, while you pay 28%- very fair, Hater dupes!! And many others pay zero- including 55% of giant corps with their legions of lawyers, accountants, and lobbyists. Great job, RW idiots...

So you believed and memorized a bunch of dishonest talking points, regurgitated them at my feet, and expect me to simply accept them? Very likely, right up there with my backyard being invaded by Martians.

Great job, leftwing flatliner.

Google that, all fact. You're the dupes parotting bs propaganda, dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

unless the estate is worth over $10.8 million dollars, mom and dads kids don't pay squat either ... and dear old dad didn't get and keep the estate by being a dumbass. His financial lawyers and estate planners know exactly how to protect the kids. Anyone who believes he doesn't is dumb as a hammer.

Irrelevant. The money is his and his to distribute as he pleases upon his death. The government has no imperative to take any of it.

Way to protect the 0.1% who have to pay estate taxes....after getting many millions untaxed to little trust fund tool GOPers...moron. GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country. Then there are the greedy chumps like you the GOP screws with their bs tax cuts, which end up only helping the very richest.

What gives you, or the government, the right to take anything from the wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime? Answer, nothing. It's pure greed. And ya gotta love idiots who use stupid phrases like "GOOD citizens are happy to pay their fair share and reward our great country". Chumps.

GOOD citizens don't mind paying their fair share. You are shortsighted, selfish and a brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich who are screwing you and the country. YOUR taxes have gone UP under Reaganism, while the richest a-hole Pubs are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

It's certainly an experience to be called "greedy" by someone who's advocating taking other people's money away from them and spending it. It's like having Charles Manson call you bloodthirsty.

Greedy,AND a functional idiot. I've got all I want, but the country is going to hell under Reaganist tax rates and policies that are killing all but the top 5% of the country. PLUS so many loopholes the richest and giant corps are getting away with murder. Dingbat blind chump.