It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[BasicHumanUnit]

Figures you'd laugh at Genocide......

 

[rightwinger]

The way the rest of the civilized world does it

You know what eventually happens to "civilized" places that fail to keep government in check?

Cuba
Venezuela
Cambodia
China
Russia

And about a hundred more......
List of genocides by death toll - Wikipedia
Some people REALLY love Genocide...

Sad

The US has never needed an armed population to fight tyranny in over 200 years

We use the First Amendment and the vote
Nobody needs the second

 

[rightwinger]

Licensing guns works around the world
Only the US encourages an underground network for gun purchases

Just because a regulation does not stop every possible murder is not grounds to say it will not stop any

There is no reason to believe any of these regulations would stop any murders.

Plenty of reason. It works around the world

In other words you can't think of any reason why these regulations would stop any murders.

Plenty of reasons
Do a better job of screening who can buy a gun
Register guns and know where guns used in crimes come from
Require gun owners to be trained and thoroughly screened

The way the rest of the civilized world does it

Nonsense, the Odessa shooter, Seth Ator, failed a background check and then found a man who manufactured guns illegally. No regulation could have prevented that shooting. If people want drugs or guns strongly enough, and you make it too difficult to buy them legally, they will find an illegal source. Just as law enforcement has been unable to stop the sale of illegal drugs, it will be unable to stop the sale of illegal guns. Making it difficult for law abiding citizens to buy guns will not stop criminals or crazies from buying them. This call for new gun laws is a fraud. It is based on a claim that such laws will prevent mass shootings but there is no basis in fact or logic for believing that.

Good

Let’s make it difficult for those who want to conduct mass shootings
Why do you fight to make it so easy?

 

[toomuchtime_]

There is no reason to believe any of these regulations would stop any murders.

Plenty of reason. It works around the world

In other words you can't think of any reason why these regulations would stop any murders.

Plenty of reasons
Do a better job of screening who can buy a gun
Register guns and know where guns used in crimes come from
Require gun owners to be trained and thoroughly screened

The way the rest of the civilized world does it

Nonsense, the Odessa shooter, Seth Ator, failed a background check and then found a man who manufactured guns illegally. No regulation could have prevented that shooting. If people want drugs or guns strongly enough, and you make it too difficult to buy them legally, they will find an illegal source. Just as law enforcement has been unable to stop the sale of illegal drugs, it will be unable to stop the sale of illegal guns. Making it difficult for law abiding citizens to buy guns will not stop criminals or crazies from buying them. This call for new gun laws is a fraud. It is based on a claim that such laws will prevent mass shootings but there is no basis in fact or logic for believing that.

Good

Let’s make it difficult for those who want to conduct mass shootings
Why do you fight to make it so easy?

None of the regulations will do that. Do you really imagine that some one who has decided to murder large numbers of people and probably die in the process will be deterred by the need to buy a gun illegally?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The US has never needed an armed population to fight tyranny in over 200 years

We use the First Amendment and the vote
Nobody needs the second

Right.....

Gun Control Preceded the Tyranny in Venezuela
Gun Control Preceded the Tyranny in Venezuela | José Niño

Yeah, we'll just go ahead and put you down as either an ignorant imbecile or a paid troll. Or option C.....both.

Seems you know more than the wise gentlemen who founded this nation.
What have you "founded"? The Grab Ankles Foundation?

 

[rightwinger]

Plenty of reason. It works around the world

In other words you can't think of any reason why these regulations would stop any murders.

Plenty of reasons
Do a better job of screening who can buy a gun
Register guns and know where guns used in crimes come from
Require gun owners to be trained and thoroughly screened

The way the rest of the civilized world does it

Nonsense, the Odessa shooter, Seth Ator, failed a background check and then found a man who manufactured guns illegally. No regulation could have prevented that shooting. If people want drugs or guns strongly enough, and you make it too difficult to buy them legally, they will find an illegal source. Just as law enforcement has been unable to stop the sale of illegal drugs, it will be unable to stop the sale of illegal guns. Making it difficult for law abiding citizens to buy guns will not stop criminals or crazies from buying them. This call for new gun laws is a fraud. It is based on a claim that such laws will prevent mass shootings but there is no basis in fact or logic for believing that.

Good

Let’s make it difficult for those who want to conduct mass shootings
Why do you fight to make it so easy?

None of the regulations will do that. Do you really imagine that some one who has decided to murder large numbers of people and probably die in the process will be deterred by the need to buy a gun illegally?

Of course they will
They do it all over the world

Why make it easier to allow that person to get his weapon of choice?
Assault weapon with large capacity magazine

 

[rightwinger]

The US has never needed an armed population to fight tyranny in over 200 years

We use the First Amendment and the vote
Nobody needs the second

Right.....

Gun Control Preceded the Tyranny in Venezuela
Gun Control Preceded the Tyranny in Venezuela | José Niño

Yeah, we'll just go ahead and put you down as either an ignorant imbecile or a paid troll. Or option C.....both.

Seems you know more than the wise gentlemen who founded this nation.
What have you "founded"? The Grab Ankles Foundation?

Note to conservatives.....we are not Venezuela

We have a first amendment and a vote
We never needed a first amendment

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The US has never needed an armed population to fight tyranny in over 200 years

Interesting......
Since most of you asinine dumb fucks think Mr. trump compares to Adolph Hitler.

Shows 2 things.....

1). Your claims the President is a White Supremacist are a smoke screen and propaganda, and you don't even believe it.
2). You're not afraid of government tyranny under Trump, you simply have a Dictators agenda

 

[Flopper]

Second says nothing about price

But if you pass a law mandating safety devices that price the guns out of the range of a buyer, you are infringing on his or her right to bear arms. I understand Democrats always see the Constitution as an obstacle to be overcome, but real Americans see it as a document to be respected.

There is nothing in the 2nd amendment requiring guns be affordable. When the 2nd amendment was written guns were too expensive for a large segment of the population. The cost of a gun in today's dollars would be nearly a thousand dollars.

But a law that mandated expensive additions to guns would make them unaffordable to some buyers and violae the their right to buy a gun. The government is clearly forbidden by the second amendment from preventing an American citizen from acquiring a gun, so if the government believes these additions are important, the government should pay for them. If you are only concerned with safety and not just harassing gun owners, that should be ok with you.

Affordable is very subjective. For some people paying $50 is not affordable for other $3000 would be affordable. The second amendment reads, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The amendment gives you you the right to bear arms, not the right to buy affordable arms. Whether you have to work a day or month to earn enough money to buy a gun is irrelevant.

If the government placed a tax on the sale of guns clearly for the purpose of infringing on 2nd amendment rights, the courts would surely rule it to be violation of the 2nd amendment. However, it government caused gun prices to go up due to safety requirement which save lives, the courts would probably rule the the purpose of the action was not prevent gun ownership but to make them safer. It would really depend on the purpose.

The second amendment restricts the government's ability to infringe on a person's right to bear arms, so if the government wants to mandate devices on guns that would make them too expensive for some to buy, that would infringe on that person's right to bear arms, and the government would have to show this safety device was so essential and of such overbearing importance that the Constitution has to be set aside. We all know this is not the case and the call for these safety devices is motivated only by a desire to harass gun owners.

There is no guarantee that guns will be affordable, only that we have the right to bear arms and government shall not infringe on those rights. Whether the cost of a gun was a week's wage or a month's wage as it often was in colonial times is irrelevant in the discussion of 2nd amendment rights. If the goverment drove the price of guns up in order to deny people's right to be bear arms, that would be a 2nd amendment violation. However, if the government required safety devices which would increase costs and save lives, that would not be.

What you do not understand is constitutional rights are not absolute. Screaming fire in a crowded auditorium would not be protected by the 1st amendment just as barring the sale of shoulder held ground to air missiles would not be considered a violation of second amendment rights, nor would requiring a safety device that would save dozens of lives each year.

The fact is we infringe upon and impose restrictions on all sorts of constitutional rights. The right to bear arms is no different.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

There is no guarantee that guns will be affordable, only that we have the right to bear arms and government shall not infringe on those rights. Whether the cost of a gun was a week's wage or a month's wage as it often was in colonial times is irrelevant. If the goverment drove the price of guns up in order to deny people's right to be bear arms, that would be a 2nd amendment violation. However, if the government required safety devices which would increase costs and save lives, that would not be.

What you do not understand is constitutional rights are not absolute. Screaming fire in a crowded auditorium would not be protected by the 1st amendment just as barring the sale of shoulder held ground to air missiles would not be considered a violation of second amendment right, nor would requiring a safety device that would save dozens of lives each year.

The fact is we infringe upon and impose restrictions on all sorts of constitutional rights. The right to bear arms is no different.

Interesting......
Since most of you on the left think Mr. trump compares to Adolph Hitler.

Shows 2 things.....

1). Your claims the President is a White Supremacist are a smoke screen and propaganda, and you don't even believe it...and thus the call for more gun control
2). You're not afraid of government tyranny under Trump, you simply have a Dictators agenda

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I hope Americans have the balls to not allow the Left to render them helpless.

While they will adamantly deny it, the violent Left would probably have little conscious in the extent or severity of the punishment it would apply to those who it regarded as the opposition once in a position of absolute power.

Chilling thought.

 

[rightwinger]

The US has never needed an armed population to fight tyranny in over 200 years

Interesting......
Since most of you asinine dumb fucks think Mr. trump compares to Adolph Hitler.

Shows 2 things.....

1). Your claims the President is a White Supremacist are a smoke screen and propaganda, and you don't even believe it.
2). You're not afraid of government tyranny under Trump, you simply have a Dictators agenda

Ummmm........we are working to prevent Trump from being re-elected.

We are not advocating an armed insurrection

 

[rightwinger]

I hope Americans have the balls to not allow the Left to render them helpless.

While they will adamantly deny it, the violent Left would probably have little conscious in the extent or severity of the punishment it would apply to those who it regarded as the opposition once in a position of absolute power.

Chilling thought.

Most Americans support universal background checks, restricting high capacity magazines and access to assault rifles

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm just curious. We passed laws that effectively banned Machine guns. Yes, there is still a rout for citizens to own them, but for the most part, they are not the problem they were before they were effectively banned. Was that against the constitution? Why aren't gun nuts fighting to have automatic machine guns open for over the counter sales? Is that a law that did work to stop bad guys from using them?

 

[Rustic]

I'm just curious. We passed laws that effectively banned Machine guns. Yes, there is still a rout for citizens to own them, but for the most part, they are not the problem they were before they were effectively banned. Was that against the constitution? Why aren't gun nuts fighting to have automatic machine guns open for over the counter sales? Is that a law that did work to stop bad guys from using them?

Lol
You’re barking up the wrong tree

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Most Americans support universal background checks, restricting high capacity magazines and access to assault rifles

Nope.
Most Americans support the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear modern, high capacity magazines and black rifles.
Everything else was a stupid compromise to TRY and appease the Left.
We now know it was a huge mistake. Giving an inch led to the Left's obsession with taking a mile.

You just need to pull your nose out of CNN's anal orifice long enough to get some fresh air. Hillary in a Landslide !!!

lmao

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I'm just curious. We passed laws that effectively banned Machine guns. Yes, there is still a rout for citizens to own them, but for the most part, they are not the problem they were before they were effectively banned. Was that against the constitution? Why aren't gun nuts fighting to have automatic machine guns open for over the counter sales? Is that a law that did work to stop bad guys from using them?

You have no clue how many Americans TODAY own what you would call a "machine gun".
More than you'd ever guess.

Most gun crime is committed by LEFTISTS / Democrats. Period. well known fact because most gun crime occurs in those areas....where Right wing people are rare indeed.
perhaps you need to find out why and fix that issue?

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm just curious. We passed laws that effectively banned Machine guns. Yes, there is still a rout for citizens to own them, but for the most part, they are not the problem they were before they were effectively banned. Was that against the constitution? Why aren't gun nuts fighting to have automatic machine guns open for over the counter sales? Is that a law that did work to stop bad guys from using them?

Lol
You’re barking up the wrong tree

And you don't have an answer. Why?

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm just curious. We passed laws that effectively banned Machine guns. Yes, there is still a rout for citizens to own them, but for the most part, they are not the problem they were before they were effectively banned. Was that against the constitution? Why aren't gun nuts fighting to have automatic machine guns open for over the counter sales? Is that a law that did work to stop bad guys from using them?

You have no clue how many Americans TODAY own what you would call a "machine gun".
More than you'd ever guess.

Most gun crime is committed by LEFTISTS / Democrats. Period. well known fact because most gun crime occurs in those areas....where Right wing people are rare indeed.
perhaps you need to find out why and fix that issue?

Ok, I'll get right on that, but first, why do you try to deflect instead of answering the question?

 

[BS Filter]

I hope Americans have the balls to not allow the Left to render them helpless.

While they will adamantly deny it, the violent Left would probably have little conscious in the extent or severity of the punishment it would apply to those who it regarded as the opposition once in a position of absolute power.

Chilling thought.

Most Americans support universal background checks, restricting high capacity magazines and access to assault rifles

What is an assault rifle?