It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[Bern80]

They were mostly children, yes, he could have murdered them with baseball bats. How many college co-eds did Ted Bundy get with a bat on his last killing spree?

Comparing guns to cigarettes is apples and oranges....your premise makes no sense.

It makes complete sense. In his first 'myth' debunking the author attempst to argue that gun (an inanimate object) in fact DO kill people. Cigarettes are also an inanimate object that also DO in fact kill people. Cig and guns have more in common than not. In fact the only real difference between the two is their physical appearence. That and cigs kill a hell of lot more people on a yearly basis, yet we still allow people the right to smoke them.

 

[BlindBoo]

Then get the constitution amended and STFU.

Good luck.

Damn I have to agree. Any legisation will be be challenged and I suspect the Constitution as it is will win. But I also agree that we no longer have or need for the Minutemen militia mentality to protect the US.

To me it highlights the need for a political mechanism for national referendums.

 

[BlindBoo]

So I guess you have no problem if we pass abortion control in an attempt to limit the number of abortions in this country?

WTF? What does abortion have to do with sensible gun control?

There is nothing sensible about gun control.

Do you think regulations forbidding the sale of .50 caliber machine guns to the general public is sensible?

Where do you draw the line?

 

[Stephanie]

Gun "control" and gun "confiscation" are not the same thing...

So I guess you have no problem if we pass abortion control in an attempt to limit the number of abortions in this country?

WTF? What does abortion have to do with sensible gun control?

it's the compromise you all want, you give up on the killing of children through abortions and the gun nuts will think about people like you wanting to step on OUR constitutional right to keep and bear arms

some how I DOUBT you would agree with that..but you can use dead children of any tradgedy to push your all agenda off on people

the sky is always falling with you..it's a sickness

 

[bigrebnc1775]

WTF? What does abortion have to do with sensible gun control?

There is nothing sensible about gun control.

Do you think regulations forbidding the sale of .50 caliber machine guns to the general public is sensible?

Where do you draw the line?

Straw man
How many .50 caliber machine guns have been used in any shootings?

Where do you draw the line?

Right before the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

[BlindBoo]

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. The problem is with the people. Not the guns.

A gun is an inanimate object unless someone loads it and pulls the trigger. People kill people.

Perhaps we should cull the population of all gang bangers, nut cases and known murderers?? Perhaps canvas the population to see just who MIGHT use a gun?? I can hear the ACLU screaming like a stuck pig even now.


Once again guns don't kill people. People kill people and unfortunately we have loads of those people in this country who wouldn't think twice about killing someone.

Think I'll hang onto my gun per the 2nd Ammendment and Shitting Bull can get his/her ass capped when someone breaks into his/her house. Its only fair.

Well unless you can track the gun to the failed Fast and Furious operations. Then it's all the Presidents fault right?

 

[blastoff]

This is what happens when Lakhota gets into the fire water before noon. Heep big mounds of b.s.

 

[BlindBoo]

There is nothing sensible about gun control.

Do you think regulations forbidding the sale of .50 caliber machine guns to the general public is sensible?

Where do you draw the line?

Straw man
How many .50 caliber machine guns have been used in any shootings?

Where do you draw the line?

Right before the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

None, because the idiots can't buy them.

How about regulations regarding any machine gun? Is that sensible? Do you draw the line somewhere or not?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Do you think regulations forbidding the sale of .50 caliber machine guns to the general public is sensible?

Where do you draw the line?

Straw man
How many .50 caliber machine guns have been used in any shootings?

Where do you draw the line?

Right before the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

None, because the idiots can't buy them.

How about regulations regarding any machine gun? Is that sensible? Do you draw the line somewhere or not?

You can buy any automatic weapon as long as it was manufactured before 1969. With the proper paper work and pay a 200.00 fee.
People have them

 

[liarintheWH]

This is what happens when Lakhota gets into the fire water before noon. Heep big mounds of b.s.

lol

Then runs away...

 

[GHook93]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

There isn't a Constitution right to Tobacco
There is one for firearms

Don't confuse him with facts. He is an Indian, so he believes in the way of the bow and arrow and death the the white man also!

 

[Katzndogz]

When the armed gunman breaks into your home, he's not looking for compromise. It's not a time for negotiation.

 

[GHook93]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

When it comes to the Constitution there is no such thing as "Compromise" and "Consensus".

Sure there is. Even the original Constitution was built on compromise and consensus.

You need to understand constitution law. The US constitution is the Supreme law of the land. If you want to change anything in it (like prohibition or the 3/5 provision), then you have to have a constitutional amendment added that in effect overturns the previous amendment. It has only be done one time in US history, the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment. If you want gun control, then the an amendment must be written into the constitution. Nothing less will have the effect you're American hating self desires!

 

[BlindBoo]

Straw man
How many .50 caliber machine guns have been used in any shootings?



Right before the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

None, because the idiots can't buy them.

How about regulations regarding any machine gun? Is that sensible? Do you draw the line somewhere or not?

You can buy any automatic weapon as long as it was manufactured before 1969. With the proper paper work and pay a 200.00 fee.
People have them

I'm not sure it is quite as simple as that. Will Hayden: How to Buy Class 3 Weapons Do you think that is a resonable regulation?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

None, because the idiots can't buy them.

How about regulations regarding any machine gun? Is that sensible? Do you draw the line somewhere or not?

You can buy any automatic weapon as long as it was manufactured before 1969. With the proper paper work and pay a 200.00 fee.
People have them

I'm not sure it is quite as simple as that. Will Hayden: How to Buy Class 3 Weapons Do you think that is a resonable regulation?

Dude isn't that what I said "do the proper paper work"?

 

[Claudette]

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. The problem is with the people. Not the guns.

A gun is an inanimate object unless someone loads it and pulls the trigger. People kill people.

Perhaps we should cull the population of all gang bangers, nut cases and known murderers?? Perhaps canvas the population to see just who MIGHT use a gun?? I can hear the ACLU screaming like a stuck pig even now.


Once again guns don't kill people. People kill people and unfortunately we have loads of those people in this country who wouldn't think twice about killing someone.

Think I'll hang onto my gun per the 2nd Ammendment and Shitting Bull can get his/her ass capped when someone breaks into his/her house. Its only fair.

Well unless you can track the gun to the failed Fast and Furious operations. Then it's all the Presidents fault right?

Nope. Holder runs Justice. His Department okayed FF. He should be held responsible. He won't though because that fuck in the WH declared EP, National Security and the whole thing was swept under the rug. Nothing like covering the ass of his best ass kissin buddy Holder.

 

[syrenn]

to those who are comparing tobacco to guns..... idiots...!@##$%%^^&**(

any stepping stone no matter how crass.... lakhota will take it, if it works into his aganda.

 

[syrenn]

Until recently, I didn't understand just how crazy and ignorant NaziCons really are. They are a bunch of dangerous and scary lunatics.

In other words, everyone who has posted has thrashed your arguments and you have no freakin clue how to actually respond to the information and arguments we've made.

resort to his usual guns.... insult, name call and run like a pussy.

 

[BlindBoo]

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. The problem is with the people. Not the guns.

A gun is an inanimate object unless someone loads it and pulls the trigger. People kill people.

Perhaps we should cull the population of all gang bangers, nut cases and known murderers?? Perhaps canvas the population to see just who MIGHT use a gun?? I can hear the ACLU screaming like a stuck pig even now.


Once again guns don't kill people. People kill people and unfortunately we have loads of those people in this country who wouldn't think twice about killing someone.

Think I'll hang onto my gun per the 2nd Ammendment and Shitting Bull can get his/her ass capped when someone breaks into his/her house. Its only fair.

Well unless you can track the gun to the failed Fast and Furious operations. Then it's all the Presidents fault right?

Nope. Holder runs Justice. His Department okayed FF. He should be held responsible. He won't though because that fuck in the WH declared EP, National Security and the whole thing was swept under the rug. Nothing like covering the ass of his best ass kissin buddy Holder.

Okay Holder, not the guy with the gun who did the shooting?

 

[Stephanie]

Until recently, I didn't understand just how crazy and ignorant NaziCons really are. They are a bunch of dangerous and scary lunatics.

In other words, everyone who has posted has thrashed your arguments and you have no freakin clue how to actually respond to the information and arguments we've made.

resort to his usual guns.... insult, name call and run like a pussy.

yep, and yell the sky is falling, the sky is falling