Montrovant
Fuzzy bears!
From your post I sense you take exception to my generalization that a poor white person is a lazy white person. What would you call it if I constructed a system that devalued whites, killed whites, funneled whites into prison, hired Blacks before whites, gave Blacks more economic support educationally, uplifted Black cultural values, and a Black person could not be successful?Of course there will be poor whites. Poor whites are the rubes that wealthy whites use the most to make money. They just tell them that they are better than those other people and keep trying. They give those whites just enough so they cant see whats going on but not enough to really do anything. They tell those whites that if those other people were not taking their jobs they too would be wealthy. Those whites are suffering from the same problem some Black people have. Instead of complaining about Blacks they should get off their asses and stop being lazy. Since they are white they have it 100 x easier.You clearly overestimate how greatly the system is tilted in someone's favor based solely on the color of their skin. Whites that are poor are simply lazy...I bet you would characterize blacks that are poor as being victims of a racist system, wouldn't you?
Nothing but ridiculous generalizations. Your racism mirrors and matches that of the white racists you rail against.
No, you clearly underestimate such things.
Racism in Modern America
Introduction
Modern racism is a form of prejudice against African Americans that developed in the United States after the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. It characterized by beliefs that racism is not a persistent problem, that African Americans should put forth their own efforts to overcome their situation in society without exceptional assistance, and that African Americans are too demanding and have gotten more than they deserve. At the roots of modern racism are basic beliefs that Blacks violate cherished U.S. values. The idea that the quality of prejudice toward Blacks can shift over time has spawned important generalizations of the theory to other groups, such as women (see the entry titled “Modern Sexism”), recent immigrant groups (including Asians and Latinos in North America and Turks in Europe), the obese, and gays, among others.
The term modern racism introduced in 1981 by John McConahay in the literature on group processes and inter group relations, but the theory behind it had emerged in 1971 with the name symbolic racism. Because modern racism theory was derivative of symbolic racism theory, the two positions were originally closely aligned conceptually and, in fact, difficult to distinguish substantively. However, in recent years, developments in symbolic racism (e.g., concerning the origins of the attitudes) have distinguished the positions more clearly. This entry examines modern racism and relevant criticisms describe measurement tools and contrast the concept with related theories.
Discussion and Analysis
The Nature and Origins of Modern Racism
Modern racism is among the most widespread forms of verbally expressed negative racial attitudes in the United States today. It thought to have replaced, to a substantial degree, older and more blatant forms of prejudice, characterized by beliefs that Blacks are a biologically inferior race and that institutionalized segregation and formal discrimination against Blacks are appropriate social policies. The civil rights movement made these outmoded beliefs largely socially unacceptable, and although conservative racism still exists in the United States, it largely replaced by modern racist beliefs.
Modern racism is also one of the most powerful influences of racial politics in the United States today. It powerfully predicts voting against political candidates who are Black or sympathetic toward Blacks and voting on policies designed to assist Blacks, such as affirmative action and school integration programs. It also strongly influences policies that do not directly mention Blacks but disproportionately impact the African American community, including those involving welfare, unemployment, crime, and the death penalty. It predicts these political attitudes better than conservatism, education, identification as a Democrat or Republican, and, most important, personal interests in the outcomes of a vote. (Hero , 247)
One fundamental characteristic of modern racism is the assumption that it learned during socialization. In other words, people acquire modern racist attitudes through their parents, their peers, and the media. Emerging research suggests that modern racism acquired as early as adolescence (earlier than other political attitudes, such as conservatism) and that it is stable throughout the life span.
Racism In Modern America | Researchomatic
An influential 2004 study found that job seekers with black-sounding names were 50 percent less likely than their white counterparts to get callbacks. The divide held across occupation, industry and employer size. A more recent study found that such a gap applies even to graduates of elite schools like Harvard and Yale. When given the option, most interviewers would take a Dylan over a DeAndre. (Tijani, whose name is West African, said he was a bit surprised at the lack of interviews he was offered.)
Black Unemployment: College Degree Offers Advantages, But No Escape From Racialized Job Markets
Care to explain this Montrovant?
In fact, the unemployment rate in 2013 was lower among whites who never finished high school (9.7 percent) than it was for blacks with some college education (10.5 percent).
For Recent Black College Graduates, a Tougher Road to Employment
Or this?
African-American students need to complete two more levels of education to have the same probability of getting a job as their white peers, a new study by Young Invincibles finds.
The researchers looked at data mainly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the U.S. Census, isolating the effects of race and education on unemployment. They found that an African-American male with an associates degree has around the same chance of getting a job as a white male with just a high school diploma. “At every level of education, race impacts a person’s chance of getting a job,” Tom Allison, a research manager and one of the study’s authors, told ThinkProgress.
A Black College Student Has The Same Chances Of Getting A Job As A White High School Dropout
White Convicts As Likely to Be Hired As Blacks Without Criminal Records
However, the study revealed that our society's racism extends even deeper: black applicants with no criminal record were no more likely to get a job than white applicants with criminal records just released from prison! In other words, while whites with criminal records received low rates of positive responses, such response rates were equally low for blacks without a criminal background.
White Convicts As Likely to Be Hired As Blacks Without Criminal Records | DMI Blog
Montrovant, A doesn't overestimate a damn thing.
Well clearly, with a system tilted so heavily in favor of whites, there won't be that many poor whites. After all, the system will ensure they have success. Oh, wait...
Look, I'm not saying the system treats whites and minorities equally. I'm not saying there is no bias against blacks. However, the idea that things are so easy for whites that only laziness can lead to being poor is asinine. It also sounds remarkably like the arguments anti-black racists use about how so many blacks are poor because they are lazy.
Things can be harder in general for blacks without meaning it is easy for anyone who is white.
And all of those black criminals should stop being a bunch of violent thugs and simply follow the law. Do what the police tell you and you won't get shot.
That's the same level of foolishness as saying poor whites are just lazy.
When it comes to blacks you want people to look at the full complexity of things, but with whites, you're perfectly happy saying poor whites are lazy, whites are genetically criminal, etc.
Like I said, good luck with your racism.
That would be a system of systemic racism. I'm curious, though, how that system existing (and that is a huge oversimplification of the reality, but let's go with it) means whites that are poor must be lazy. Does such a system mean there are plenty of good paying jobs for whites, regardless of where they live, their training, their natural ability, or their intelligence? Does such a system mean that a person who experiences layoffs can simply find another similar job? Does such a system make all whites have the same drive and ambition? Does such a system provide whites with the resources to pay for major medical bills? Etc. etc.
But hey, maybe you really believe every white business owner will hire people merely because they are white, regardless of their qualifications.
Once again: things being worse for blacks does not mean things are easy for all whites.