It Doesn't Make Sense With Schools, Either

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    Would you want government run, tax-funded, public grocery stores?

    http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

    Note that this article will eventually be bumped from the link, possibly tomorrow, which is why its entirety is posted above.
     
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    Neal Boortz has long been engaged in a war against public education and teachers in general. He demonizes teachers, who work long hours for low pay, doing a job that is essential to the future of our country. I don't why Boortz hates teachers so much, maybe one boxed his ears or something when he was a kid. Public schools need our support not our scorn. The Governor's plan, like most other voucher plans, doesn't do anything to solve the underlying problem of public school performance. I have no issue with raising standards, do so by all means, but provide better training, fix crumbling buildings, provide breakfast to kids who don't get one at home so they are in a position to learn. I know the breakfast thing sounds like a bleeding heart idea, but I challenge you, have a small dinner one night, then don't have breakfast the next morning and see how mentally sharp you are at work. For many kids, that free school lunch is the only decent meal they get. But Boortz would take that away also. Boortz's grocery store theory is silly and off-base. You can't compare retail business to education. Parents do have choices contrary to popular belief. The best thing parents can do to improve their schools is be involved.

    Also, there is increasing evidence that private school students don't perform significantly better than their public school counterparts. Here's a study published in January of this year :http://www.ncspe.org/publications_files/OP111.pdf

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    You ever listen to Boortz? He doesn't hate teachers, he hates teachers' unions and government schools. I've been to both public and private schools, and lemme tell ya, after seeing both sides of the coin, there's no way I'll ever let one of my kids set foot inside a government school. The places are mostly shitholes staffed by a few teachers that try to do a good job and a bunch that, along with the administrators, only care about saving their own asses. And if you don't like the school, tough. You're stuck with it until you move.

    Public schools have no competition, and thus, no motivation to do well. If we want students to start succeeding, we need to shut down these underefficient, PC indoctrination centers and start letting people actually choose where their kids go to school.

    Also, that study was written by two education majors and flies in the face of pretty much all other research done on the subject.
     
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    You are correct about the study, but it's based on the latest data on test scores. I do listen to Boortz and he does hate public schools and public school teachers. Private schools, espeically religious private schools, are the real indoctrination centers. Private schools forcefeed you a certain narrow world view based upon the tenets of whatever religion is sponsoring the school. I went to public school, a close friend of mine went to private school through the 8th grade and went to public high school with me because there is no Catholic High School were we live. He'll tell you that academically there is almost no difference. Our high school was a loose, collegiate-like environment, the other high school in town is the traditional, tight-reigned high school, the test scores are nearly identical despite two completely different approaches to the learning environment. Private schools have advantages over public schools especially in terms of class size and parent involvement. Public schools tend to have better qualified teachers (because government requires it), more diverse student population, and more clubs and activities. See this article: http://parentcenter.babycenter.com/refcap/bigkid/gpreschool/67271.html

    The biggest problem with Boortz's idea is that if Government had to pay for every child who wants to go to private school whose parents can't afford it, his taxes would have to go up, and you and I both know what Boortz thinks of high taxes (or any taxes for that matter).

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    In both the Memphis and Atlanta areas, the two in which I've lived, the public schools are crap because teachers' unions (once again, Neal Boortz likes teachers, just not teachers' unions. They are not one and the same. My mom is a teacher and despises the unions as much as Boortz.) have crippled the schools, and the schools are also unmotivated to be any good because there's no competition. Some of the more prominant private schools, on the other hand, have some of the highest test scores in the nation. As I've said before, one counter example does not disprove a trend. I've been to public schools that I wouldn't put delinquents in and I've been in very nice public schools, but I've seen far more of the former, and that is almost non-existant in private schools, because they know that if their school is crap, nobody will pay for it.

    Oh, and you don't think public schools indoctrinate? Christian schools teach you to rely on God, because he is the source of all things good. Muslim schools teach you to rely on Allah, because he is the source of all things good. A school run by feminazis would teach you to rely on women, because women are the source of all things good. A school run by a bunch of parents who were sick of public schools would teach you to rely on the family, because the family is the source of all things good. What do you think a government school teaches?

    Government is a necessary evil that is to be feared in order to keep it in check. A government school will not teach you this fear.

    Then, there's one more thing you forget about the Christian schools. If my parents send me to a Christian school, they are told, up front, that the kids will be taught theology and that it will have a churchy environment. If they are uncomfortable with this, they can take their business elsewhere. If I'm in a government school, my parents are told what classes I'm taking and my grades in those classes, and it's up to me to tell them anything else they want to know. If they don't like it, tough.

    And one final thing that so many of you ACLU drones can't get through your skulls, so I'll bring extra attention to this: Not all private schools are Catholic, or even religious, so stop pretending they are.
     
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    Is there a reason you insist on shouting? I never said all private schools were Catholic, but many if not most have a religious affiliation of some sort.

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    I shouted because every time somebody brings up privatization of schools, you start yacking on and on about religious indoctrination. Even if the majority of private schools are currently religious, what makes you think there won't be a landslide of secular private schools as soon as there's a greater demand for them. In fact, it will really help uphold those civil liberties you claim to support. If all schools are private, you don't have to sue until the government acknowledges that the colors red and green are an unconstitutional endorsement of religion, you can just send your kids to a school that bans the colors red and green, and you won't have to stomp all over Christians to get that right, either, since they can just go to Christian schools.
     

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