Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[Sixties Fan]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Ask yourselves this:

If most if not all are converts to Judaism, why in the world would they stand Pogroms and Pogroms, the Inquisition, more Pogroms and then the Holocaust?

Why in the world, knowing that they are all European converts to a very hated religion and people, would they not, en masse, convert to Christianity or Islam?

And why, if knowing that these are all converts to Judaism, why didn't the Inquisition
force all of them to convert to Christianity?

Why would the Muslims accept anyone who returned to the Land of Israel as Jews, if they should have known 1400 years ago, that most Jews were gone, and these could not possibly have been the indigenous Jews of the Land?

Why didn't Islam simply force this Fake Jews to convert to Islam?
Why have fake Jews anywhere on the lands Islam conquered?
Or in their dealings with the "European" Jews in Spain?
How about the Visigoth who conquered Spain for a period?
They did not force those "Jews" to convert to Christianity by force, as Mohammad did with the tribes of Arabia?
Neither did the Vatican.

Why allow "fake Jews", who would not have gone through a proper conversion into Judaism to exist?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Ask yourselves this:

If most if not all are converts to Judaism, why in the world would they stand Pogroms and Pogroms, the Inquisition, more Pogroms and then the Holocaust?

Why in the world, knowing that they are all European converts to a very hated religion and people, would they not, en masse, convert to Christianity or Islam?

And why, if knowing that these are all converts to Judaism, why didn't the Inquisition
force all of them to convert to Christianity?

Why would the Muslims accept anyone who returned to the Land of Israel as Jews, if they should have known 1400 years ago, that most Jews were gone, and these could not possibly have been the indigenous Jews of the Land?

Why didn't Islam simply force this Fake Jews to convert to Islam?
Why have fake Jews anywhere on the lands Islam conquered?
Or in their dealings with the "European" Jews in Spain?
How about the Visigoth who conquered Spain for a period?
They did not force those "Jews" to convert to Christianity by force, as Mohammad did with the tribes of Arabia?
Neither did the Vatican.

Why allow "fake Jews", who would not have gone through a proper conversion into Judaism to exist?

Just another ant-Semitic canard.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Obtaining a legal document which will give you the right to re-establish your Nation on your ancient land is not "self-serving".

If you do the research, you will find out that First Nations in America have been working legally to reclaim any of their ancient land.

You have no evidence that the Arabs were living in ancient Canaan before the Hebrews.
The Palestinians are Arabs. Their ancient homeland is the Arabian Peninsula.
They are not connected to any tribe/clan which lived in ancient Canaan, not to the Greek descendants knows as the Philistines, or any other people.

The Israelites, descendants of the Hebrews, formed the Nation of Israel once they left bondage in Egypt. From King David on, they became a unified Kingdom recognized by many of the invaders or traders as being such.

Being away from one's homeland, does not make that homeland less their homeland, the place where their ancient culture flourished, their history, their religion and everything else one connects to the words Hebrews, Israelites, Nation of Israel, Judea. Not even the Romans changing the name of Judea into latin Palestine, did not make the land stop being the ancient homeland of the Jews, no matter how many continued to live on the land.

Islam has done nothing but teach that Jews are inferior people for not converting to Islam. And treating them and all non Muslim under Islam as second class citizens who had to pay a certain tax and wear certain clothes to identify them, so on and so forth.

Palestinians are Arab Muslims who cannot accept that Jews have taken any part of their Muslim heritage away from them. Even if it was taken away by the Crusaders, and the Ottomans, at least with the Ottomans - they were Muslims.

Zionism is not a bad word. It is not about conquering other people's lands.
If they were all converts, that would mean that Judaism had no problem converting people en masse.
Judaism was never like that, and to this day it is not like that.
That is why the number of Jews in the world continues to be small compared to Christianity and Islam which have gone out of their way to convert people for the past 2000 years.

Zionism is the return of the Jewish People to their homeland and recreating a sovereign nation on their Ancient Land.

That is all it has been since the word was coined.

It is about Zion. The Land of Zion. Israel. Jerusalem.

All of which were always important at all time to all Jews.

Changing the facts, or believing in what the Muslims want the world to believe, because they know how much many Christians and Muslims have been taught to hate Jews, will not change the truth and reality that the Jews who created Zionism, and the Jews who were already living on the land, or returned to it, are the rightful
of the Land of Israel.

No different from Apaches still being the rightful owners, paper or no paper, of their ancient homeland. The same goes to all 500 First Nations, or the ones which have survived 400 of European colonization.

Jews are NOT Europeans. They are not Mezopotamiams. Iranians. Egyptians, Russians, in the ethnical sense.

All peoples have had additions to their groups, or converts.

The numbers into Jewish Groups is not as great as you have been told or would like to think because Jews mostly lived in isolation from others in other for their faith and way of living to survive any assimilation which would endanger the Jewish life they lived.

Jews are the indigenous people of the land. A melting pot of all the people who lived in ancient Canaan 3000 years ago, and others who married or converted into the religion and became part of the Nation of Israel.

Jews from Iran, Egypt, Morocco, Russia, England, France, America = people who's ancestors inhabited ancient Canaan, The Nation of Israel, Judea = eventually a region known as Palestine.

Arabs from Palestine (now known as Palestinians), Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan,England, USA, Australia, and anywhere else they now live = people who primarily came from the Arabian Peninsula and moved around the world just as any other people did, including the Jewish People.


Jews are from Judea

Arabs are from Arabia


Spend some time thinking about it.

Bravo!!

 

[MJB12741]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Ask yourselves this:

If most if not all are converts to Judaism, why in the world would they stand Pogroms and Pogroms, the Inquisition, more Pogroms and then the Holocaust?

Why in the world, knowing that they are all European converts to a very hated religion and people, would they not, en masse, convert to Christianity or Islam?

And why, if knowing that these are all converts to Judaism, why didn't the Inquisition
force all of them to convert to Christianity?

Why would the Muslims accept anyone who returned to the Land of Israel as Jews, if they should have known 1400 years ago, that most Jews were gone, and these could not possibly have been the indigenous Jews of the Land?

Why didn't Islam simply force this Fake Jews to convert to Islam?
Why have fake Jews anywhere on the lands Islam conquered?
Or in their dealings with the "European" Jews in Spain?
How about the Visigoth who conquered Spain for a period?
They did not force those "Jews" to convert to Christianity by force, as Mohammad did with the tribes of Arabia?
Neither did the Vatican.

Why allow "fake Jews", who would not have gone through a proper conversion into Judaism to exist?

Seems like by their own actions they prove Israel's right to exist.

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians are not Arabians. They are Arab speaking people. Arab speaking people are not all from Arabia. Just as Hispanic people are not all from Spain. Tunisians, for example, are less Arabian than Ashkenazi Jews.
Tunisians are only 4% Arabian ...

Did you know these non-Arab countries actually have some Arabian genes?
1. Georgia: 5 percent

2. Iran: 56 percent

3. The Luhya people of Kenya: 2 percent

4. Natives of Madagascar: 2 percent

5. The Northern Caucasus (including Dagestanis and Abkhazians): 9 percent

6. Tajikistan (Pamiri mountains): 6 percent

7. Sardinia: 3 percent

8. Southern India: 2 percent

9. Western India: 6 percent

10. Indonesia: 6 percent

11. Ethiopia: 11 percent

12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent

DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

 

[MJB12741]

Palestinians are not Arabians. They are Arab speaking people. Arab speaking people are not all from Arabia. Just as Hispanic people are not all from Spain. Tunisians, for example, are less Arabian than Ashkenazi Jews.
Tunisians are only 4% Arabian ...

Did you know these non-Arab countries actually have some Arabian genes?
1. Georgia: 5 percent

2. Iran: 56 percent

3. The Luhya people of Kenya: 2 percent

4. Natives of Madagascar: 2 percent

5. The Northern Caucasus (including Dagestanis and Abkhazians): 9 percent

6. Tajikistan (Pamiri mountains): 6 percent

7. Sardinia: 3 percent

8. Southern India: 2 percent

9. Western India: 6 percent

10. Indonesia: 6 percent

11. Ethiopia: 11 percent

12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent

DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

WTF! And your point is -----

 

[NaziMick]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Jews always cry ANTI-SEMITE when their LIES are exposed but there is nothing more Anti-semitic than Killing Indigenous Palestinians!!!

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Ask yourselves this:

If most if not all are converts to Judaism, why in the world would they stand Pogroms and Pogroms, the Inquisition, more Pogroms and then the Holocaust?

Why in the world, knowing that they are all European converts to a very hated religion and people, would they not, en masse, convert to Christianity or Islam?

And why, if knowing that these are all converts to Judaism, why didn't the Inquisition
force all of them to convert to Christianity?

Why would the Muslims accept anyone who returned to the Land of Israel as Jews, if they should have known 1400 years ago, that most Jews were gone, and these could not possibly have been the indigenous Jews of the Land?

Why didn't Islam simply force this Fake Jews to convert to Islam?
Why have fake Jews anywhere on the lands Islam conquered?
Or in their dealings with the "European" Jews in Spain?
How about the Visigoth who conquered Spain for a period?
They did not force those "Jews" to convert to Christianity by force, as Mohammad did with the tribes of Arabia?
Neither did the Vatican.

Why allow "fake Jews", who would not have gone through a proper conversion into Judaism to exist?

Just another ant-Semitic canard.

 

[MJB12741]

Palestinians are not Arabians. They are Arab speaking people. Arab speaking people are not all from Arabia. Just as Hispanic people are not all from Spain. Tunisians, for example, are less Arabian than Ashkenazi Jews.
Tunisians are only 4% Arabian ...

Did you know these non-Arab countries actually have some Arabian genes?
1. Georgia: 5 percent

2. Iran: 56 percent

3. The Luhya people of Kenya: 2 percent

4. Natives of Madagascar: 2 percent

5. The Northern Caucasus (including Dagestanis and Abkhazians): 9 percent

6. Tajikistan (Pamiri mountains): 6 percent

7. Sardinia: 3 percent

8. Southern India: 2 percent

9. Western India: 6 percent

10. Indonesia: 6 percent

11. Ethiopia: 11 percent

12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent

DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

WTF! And your point is -----

Hello! Can Monte come out & play?

 

[MJB12741]

As long as the Zionists continue to brutalize the Palestinians with their damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions keeping them in Israel, there will never be a lasting peace. Want peace Israel? Learn from king Husssein how to achieve peace from Palestinians & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[MJB12741]

Bitch, bitch, bitch about anything Israel does or doesn't do. And yet never a single complaint about Arab country treatment of Palestinians. When will Israel ever learn how to deal with Palestinians?

 

[montelatici]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Ask yourselves this:

If most if not all are converts to Judaism, why in the world would they stand Pogroms and Pogroms, the Inquisition, more Pogroms and then the Holocaust?

Why in the world, knowing that they are all European converts to a very hated religion and people, would they not, en masse, convert to Christianity or Islam?

And why, if knowing that these are all converts to Judaism, why didn't the Inquisition
force all of them to convert to Christianity?

Why would the Muslims accept anyone who returned to the Land of Israel as Jews, if they should have known 1400 years ago, that most Jews were gone, and these could not possibly have been the indigenous Jews of the Land?

Why didn't Islam simply force this Fake Jews to convert to Islam?
Why have fake Jews anywhere on the lands Islam conquered?
Or in their dealings with the "European" Jews in Spain?
How about the Visigoth who conquered Spain for a period?
They did not force those "Jews" to convert to Christianity by force, as Mohammad did with the tribes of Arabia?
Neither did the Vatican.

Why allow "fake Jews", who would not have gone through a proper conversion into Judaism to exist?

You are truly an idiot for posting, when you haven't a clue about history. The Spanish Inquisition did force Muslims and Jews to convert to Christianity. Moriscos (Muslims in Spain) and Marranos (Jews in Spain) that refused to convert were expelled. Most converted to Christianity.

And in Italy, we have Inquisition trial transcripts to prove the point.

https://www.escholar.manchester.ac....amId=POST-PEER-REVIEW-PUBLISHERS-DOCUMENT.PDF

 

[MJB12741]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Ask yourselves this:

If most if not all are converts to Judaism, why in the world would they stand Pogroms and Pogroms, the Inquisition, more Pogroms and then the Holocaust?

Why in the world, knowing that they are all European converts to a very hated religion and people, would they not, en masse, convert to Christianity or Islam?

And why, if knowing that these are all converts to Judaism, why didn't the Inquisition
force all of them to convert to Christianity?

Why would the Muslims accept anyone who returned to the Land of Israel as Jews, if they should have known 1400 years ago, that most Jews were gone, and these could not possibly have been the indigenous Jews of the Land?

Why didn't Islam simply force this Fake Jews to convert to Islam?
Why have fake Jews anywhere on the lands Islam conquered?
Or in their dealings with the "European" Jews in Spain?
How about the Visigoth who conquered Spain for a period?
They did not force those "Jews" to convert to Christianity by force, as Mohammad did with the tribes of Arabia?
Neither did the Vatican.

Why allow "fake Jews", who would not have gone through a proper conversion into Judaism to exist?

You are truly an idiot for posting, when you haven't a clue about history. The Spanish Inquisition did force Muslims and Jews to convert to Christianity. Moriscos (Muslims in Spain) and Marranos (Jews in Spain) that refused to convert were expelled. Most converted to Christianity.

And in Italy, we have Inquisition trial transcripts to prove the point.

https://www.escholar.manchester.ac....amId=POST-PEER-REVIEW-PUBLISHERS-DOCUMENT.PDF

LMAO! Look who is calling who an idiot. Ya gotta love Monte for all the laughs he gives us.

 

[Hollie]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Ask yourselves this:

If most if not all are converts to Judaism, why in the world would they stand Pogroms and Pogroms, the Inquisition, more Pogroms and then the Holocaust?

Why in the world, knowing that they are all European converts to a very hated religion and people, would they not, en masse, convert to Christianity or Islam?

And why, if knowing that these are all converts to Judaism, why didn't the Inquisition
force all of them to convert to Christianity?

Why would the Muslims accept anyone who returned to the Land of Israel as Jews, if they should have known 1400 years ago, that most Jews were gone, and these could not possibly have been the indigenous Jews of the Land?

Why didn't Islam simply force this Fake Jews to convert to Islam?
Why have fake Jews anywhere on the lands Islam conquered?
Or in their dealings with the "European" Jews in Spain?
How about the Visigoth who conquered Spain for a period?
They did not force those "Jews" to convert to Christianity by force, as Mohammad did with the tribes of Arabia?
Neither did the Vatican.

Why allow "fake Jews", who would not have gone through a proper conversion into Judaism to exist?

You are truly an idiot for posting, when you haven't a clue about history. The Spanish Inquisition did force Muslims and Jews to convert to Christianity. Moriscos (Muslims in Spain) and Marranos (Jews in Spain) that refused to convert were expelled. Most converted to Christianity.

And in Italy, we have Inquisition trial transcripts to prove the point.

https://www.escholar.manchester.ac....amId=POST-PEER-REVIEW-PUBLISHERS-DOCUMENT.PDF

Monty'ism Alert!

The Monty tell us: "The Spanish Inquisition did force Muslims and Jews to convert to Christianity."

The Monty then advises: Moriscos (Muslims in Spain) and Marranos (Jews in Spain) that refused to convert were expelled.

Gee whiz, that's sounds a bit like the Christian mafioso made the non-Christians an offer they couldn't refuse.

"There's no compulsion in religion." Never mind the underlying threat.

 

[MJB12741]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Ask yourselves this:

If most if not all are converts to Judaism, why in the world would they stand Pogroms and Pogroms, the Inquisition, more Pogroms and then the Holocaust?

Why in the world, knowing that they are all European converts to a very hated religion and people, would they not, en masse, convert to Christianity or Islam?

And why, if knowing that these are all converts to Judaism, why didn't the Inquisition
force all of them to convert to Christianity?

Why would the Muslims accept anyone who returned to the Land of Israel as Jews, if they should have known 1400 years ago, that most Jews were gone, and these could not possibly have been the indigenous Jews of the Land?

Why didn't Islam simply force this Fake Jews to convert to Islam?
Why have fake Jews anywhere on the lands Islam conquered?
Or in their dealings with the "European" Jews in Spain?
How about the Visigoth who conquered Spain for a period?
They did not force those "Jews" to convert to Christianity by force, as Mohammad did with the tribes of Arabia?
Neither did the Vatican.

Why allow "fake Jews", who would not have gone through a proper conversion into Judaism to exist?

You are truly an idiot for posting, when you haven't a clue about history. The Spanish Inquisition did force Muslims and Jews to convert to Christianity. Moriscos (Muslims in Spain) and Marranos (Jews in Spain) that refused to convert were expelled. Most converted to Christianity.

And in Italy, we have Inquisition trial transcripts to prove the point.

https://www.escholar.manchester.ac....amId=POST-PEER-REVIEW-PUBLISHERS-DOCUMENT.PDF

Monty'ism Alert!

The Monty tell us: "The Spanish Inquisition did force Muslims and Jews to convert to Christianity."

The Monty then advises: Moriscos (Muslims in Spain) and Marranos (Jews in Spain) that refused to convert were expelled.

Gee whiz, that's sounds a bit like the Christian mafioso made the non-Christians an offer they couldn't refuse.

"There's no compulsion in religion." Never mind the underlying threat.

He tries hard to change the subject. What does any of this have to do with Israel's legal right to exist.

 

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According to the linguist Noam Chomsky, the term "right to exist" is unique to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict: "No state has a right to exist, and no one demands such a right....In an effort to prevent negotiations and a diplomatic settlement, the U.S. and Israel insisted on raising the barrier to something that nobody's going to accept....[Palestinians are] not going to accept...the legitimacy of their dispossession."[34] John V. Whitbeck argued that Israel's insistence on a right to exist forces Palestinians to provide a moral justification for their own suffering.[35] Journalist and author Alan Hart, a critic of Zionism who has speculated that Israeli agents were behind the 9/11 attacks, has argued that there is no legitimacy to Israel’s claim to a “right to exist” in International law. He reasons that Israel therefore insists the Palestinians must first recognise its 'right to exist' on Palestinian territory because according to International law, neither the British Balfour declaration, nor the vitiated UN resolution of 1947 granted that legitimacy and only the dispossessed Palestinians can confer it upon Israel: "Israel has no right to exist unless it was recognized and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state."
Right to exist - Wikipedia

 

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According to the linguist Noam Chomsky, the term "right to exist" is unique to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict: "No state has a right to exist, and no one demands such a right....In an effort to prevent negotiations and a diplomatic settlement, the U.S. and Israel insisted on raising the barrier to something that nobody's going to accept....[Palestinians are] not going to accept...the legitimacy of their dispossession."[34] John V. Whitbeck argued that Israel's insistence on a right to exist forces Palestinians to provide a moral justification for their own suffering.[35] Journalist and author Alan Hart, a critic of Zionism who has speculated that Israeli agents were behind the 9/11 attacks, has argued that there is no legitimacy to Israel’s claim to a “right to exist” in International law. He reasons that Israel therefore insists the Palestinians must first recognise its 'right to exist' on Palestinian territory because according to International law, neither the British Balfour declaration, nor the vitiated UN resolution of 1947 granted that legitimacy and only the dispossessed Palestinians can confer it upon Israel: "Israel has no right to exist unless it was recognized and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state."
Right to exist - Wikipedia

So then, do Palestinians not have a right to exist?

 

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According to the linguist Noam Chomsky, the term "right to exist" is unique to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict: "No state has a right to exist, and no one demands such a right....In an effort to prevent negotiations and a diplomatic settlement, the U.S. and Israel insisted on raising the barrier to something that nobody's going to accept....[Palestinians are] not going to accept...the legitimacy of their dispossession."[34] John V. Whitbeck argued that Israel's insistence on a right to exist forces Palestinians to provide a moral justification for their own suffering.[35] Journalist and author Alan Hart, a critic of Zionism who has speculated that Israeli agents were behind the 9/11 attacks, has argued that there is no legitimacy to Israel’s claim to a “right to exist” in International law. He reasons that Israel therefore insists the Palestinians must first recognise its 'right to exist' on Palestinian territory because according to International law, neither the British Balfour declaration, nor the vitiated UN resolution of 1947 granted that legitimacy and only the dispossessed Palestinians can confer it upon Israel: "Israel has no right to exist unless it was recognized and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state."
Right to exist - Wikipedia

Fact! As long as the Palestinians don't recognize Israel's legal right to exist, things will remain the same as now. Great by me.

 

[MJB12741]

A good Historical review on how modern Israel came to be, and the rights of the Jewish people to the land

Look, it is understandable that Jews, whether descendants of converts or not, believe they have a right to the land they colonized. But, you also have to understand that it is based on a document that is self-serving. Not everyone believes that the document is historically factual or that it has any religious validity. Think of billions of people that practice other religions, Hindus etc. More importantly, the inhabitants of Palestine, some of whose ancestors had lived in the area before the Hebrews even arrived, believe they have equal or more rights to live there than people that lived on other continents. Furthermore, as has been established and is historically provable, many if not most of the inhabitants that were living in the area are descendants of the Samaritans and Jews that adopted Christianity as their religion. Who do you think the first Christians were? From 400 AD until the Muslims conquest the area was almost exclusively Christian, these Christians did not just appear magically, they were the same people that had always lived there. Whether they were forcefully converted or not, they converted, but it did not change their ancestry. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem ruled over an overwhelming majority of Greek Orthodox Christians, native Christians, They, the rulers, were Roman Catholics. It is also provable that most of these Greek Orthodox Christians eventually converted to Islam. whether forcefully or not.

So, until the Zionist Jews accept that they came from somewhere else and evicted most of and implemented their rule over the remaining native inhabitants, there will never be peace. The primary fault lies with the British and their colonial empire ideology, which never took the rights of the native people into consideration. They assumed that the native people, being backward and non-Europeans as they considered them, could easily be put under European rule as per their past experience. Rhodesia, South Africa, India etc. were ruled through companies like the British East India Company, the British South Africa Company (Cecil Rhodes) etc. The Zionist Organization was considered an analog to these enterprises. Do I fault the Zionists for taking advantage of the opportunity? No, but the consequences are what they are today.

Obtaining a legal document which will give you the right to re-establish your Nation on your ancient land is not "self-serving".

If you do the research, you will find out that First Nations in America have been working legally to reclaim any of their ancient land.

You have no evidence that the Arabs were living in ancient Canaan before the Hebrews.
The Palestinians are Arabs. Their ancient homeland is the Arabian Peninsula.
They are not connected to any tribe/clan which lived in ancient Canaan, not to the Greek descendants knows as the Philistines, or any other people.

The Israelites, descendants of the Hebrews, formed the Nation of Israel once they left bondage in Egypt. From King David on, they became a unified Kingdom recognized by many of the invaders or traders as being such.

Being away from one's homeland, does not make that homeland less their homeland, the place where their ancient culture flourished, their history, their religion and everything else one connects to the words Hebrews, Israelites, Nation of Israel, Judea. Not even the Romans changing the name of Judea into latin Palestine, did not make the land stop being the ancient homeland of the Jews, no matter how many continued to live on the land.

Islam has done nothing but teach that Jews are inferior people for not converting to Islam. And treating them and all non Muslim under Islam as second class citizens who had to pay a certain tax and wear certain clothes to identify them, so on and so forth.

Palestinians are Arab Muslims who cannot accept that Jews have taken any part of their Muslim heritage away from them. Even if it was taken away by the Crusaders, and the Ottomans, at least with the Ottomans - they were Muslims.

Zionism is not a bad word. It is not about conquering other people's lands.
If they were all converts, that would mean that Judaism had no problem converting people en masse.
Judaism was never like that, and to this day it is not like that.
That is why the number of Jews in the world continues to be small compared to Christianity and Islam which have gone out of their way to convert people for the past 2000 years.

Zionism is the return of the Jewish People to their homeland and recreating a sovereign nation on their Ancient Land.

That is all it has been since the word was coined.

It is about Zion. The Land of Zion. Israel. Jerusalem.

All of which were always important at all time to all Jews.

Changing the facts, or believing in what the Muslims want the world to believe, because they know how much many Christians and Muslims have been taught to hate Jews, will not change the truth and reality that the Jews who created Zionism, and the Jews who were already living on the land, or returned to it, are the rightful
of the Land of Israel.

No different from Apaches still being the rightful owners, paper or no paper, of their ancient homeland. The same goes to all 500 First Nations, or the ones which have survived 400 of European colonization.

Jews are NOT Europeans. They are not Mezopotamiams. Iranians. Egyptians, Russians, in the ethnical sense.

All peoples have had additions to their groups, or converts.

The numbers into Jewish Groups is not as great as you have been told or would like to think because Jews mostly lived in isolation from others in other for their faith and way of living to survive any assimilation which would endanger the Jewish life they lived.

Jews are the indigenous people of the land. A melting pot of all the people who lived in ancient Canaan 3000 years ago, and others who married or converted into the religion and became part of the Nation of Israel.

Jews from Iran, Egypt, Morocco, Russia, England, France, America = people who's ancestors inhabited ancient Canaan, The Nation of Israel, Judea = eventually a region known as Palestine.

Arabs from Palestine (now known as Palestinians), Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan,England, USA, Australia, and anywhere else they now live = people who primarily came from the Arabian Peninsula and moved around the world just as any other people did, including the Jewish People.


Jews are from Judea

Arabs are from Arabia


Spend some time thinking about it.

Excellent post. Hopefully the Pali supporters can read & understand it.

 

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Considering all American dollars we provide in foreign aid to many countries, is there anyone who disagrees that it is best spent on Israel for what we Americans & the entire world receive in return?

 

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Considering all American dollars we provide in foreign aid to many countries, is there anyone who disagrees that it is best spent on Israel for what we Americans & the entire world receive in return?

Israel does nothing for the world that other countries do far better and we receive nothing from the Israelis except for the hate of nearly 2 billion Muslims.