"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas is the government in Gaza, not 'Palestine'

Hamas was elected in all of Palestine not just in Gaza.

Voting was for local redistricting seat for representatives. Think congress.
Congressmen are not elected by the whole US population, only by the district within the state.
Populous vote, between the parties, Fatah won the most votes (3 to 1 margin?). Each district had several Fatah candidates running and where Hamas ran, there was usually only one Hamas candidate. Pie got cut too thin between all those running, leaving the one hamas candidate with the largest piece. Hamas did not run in all districts, only those where they had a power base.

Perhaps if the election laws were different, or if Fatah was more coordinated and focused on winning as a party, thing would have been different.

The bottom line is that everyone followed the rules and Hamas won a majority of seats in the legislature.

The elections were judged free and fair by all international observers. I had heard it said that they were the most free and fair that they had seen anywhere.

I would argue that he unity government of March 2007 was the model government in the ME.

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas was elected in all of Palestine not just in Gaza.

Voting was for local redistricting seat for representatives. Think congress.
Congressmen are not elected by the whole US population, only by the district within the state.
Populous vote, between the parties, Fatah won the most votes (3 to 1 margin?). Each district had several Fatah candidates running and where Hamas ran, there was usually only one Hamas candidate. Pie got cut too thin between all those running, leaving the one hamas candidate with the largest piece. Hamas did not run in all districts, only those where they had a power base.

Perhaps if the election laws were different, or if Fatah was more coordinated and focused on winning as a party, thing would have been different.

The bottom line is that everyone followed the rules and Hamas won a majority of seats in the legislature.

The elections were judged free and fair by all international observers. I had heard it said that they were the most free and fair that they had seen anywhere.

I would argue that he unity government of March 2007 was the model government in the ME.

Even in view of the fact that hamas did not poll the most votes and won seat by default

Palestinian voters had two votes, one for their favorite political party (the proportional vote) and another for individual candidates in winner-take-all districts where the highest vote-getters win. In the proportional vote, which is a national vote and therefore the best measure of the overall support for each political party, Hamas won about 45 percent of the popular vote and about the same percentage of seats — 30 of 66, not a majority. The incumbent party, Fatah, won about 41 percent of the popular vote and 27 of 66 seats, only three seats behind Hamas.

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So no majority as they were 4 seats short and could not form a government, leaving 9 seats or votes selling to the highest bidder. guess hamas won those 9 seats giving them control of the PA

 

[P F Tinmore]

"The current Government was sworn in by the President of the State of Palestine, Mr. Mahmoud Abbas, on 6 June 2013." If the PLO-Executive Committee and the Palestinian National Council say that it is so, THEN it is so!

Who are you to say different?

Even if Abbas was still the president, (being in his 8th year of a four year term) he did not follow constitutional requirements.

Formation of the Government
Article 65

Once appointed by the President of the Palestinian National Authority, the Prime Minister shall form a government within three weeks of the date of appointment. There shall be a right to an extension of a maximum of two weeks.

If the Prime Minister fails to form a government within the stated deadline or does not obtain the confidence of the Legislative Council, then the President of the National Authority shall appoint another Prime Minister within two weeks of the passing of the deadline or the date of the confidence session, whichever applies. Provisions contained in the above paragraph 1 shall apply to the new Prime Minister.

Confidence in the Government
Article 66

Once the Prime Minister selects the members of the government, the Prime Minister shall submit a request to the Legislative Council to hold a special session for a vote of confidence. The vote of confidence shall take place after hearing and discussing the written ministerial declaration which specifies the program and policy of the government. The session shall be held no later than one week from the date of submission of the request.

The vote of confidence shall be cast for the Prime Minister and the members of the government together, unless the absolute majority of the members of the Legislative Council decides otherwise.

Confidence shall be granted to the government if it obtains the affirmative vote of the absolute majority of the Members of the Palestinian Legislative Council.

Article 79

4 Neither the Prime Minister nor any of the Ministers shall assume their duties until they have obtained the confidence of the Legislative Council.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

Abbas illegally swore in the government without the required vote of confidence of the Legislative Council.

 

[Phoenall]

"The current Government was sworn in by the President of the State of Palestine, Mr. Mahmoud Abbas, on 6 June 2013." If the PLO-Executive Committee and the Palestinian National Council say that it is so, THEN it is so!

Who are you to say different?

Even if Abbas was still the president, (being in his 8th year of a four year term) he did not follow constitutional requirements.

Formation of the Government
Article 65

Once appointed by the President of the Palestinian National Authority, the Prime Minister shall form a government within three weeks of the date of appointment. There shall be a right to an extension of a maximum of two weeks.

If the Prime Minister fails to form a government within the stated deadline or does not obtain the confidence of the Legislative Council, then the President of the National Authority shall appoint another Prime Minister within two weeks of the passing of the deadline or the date of the confidence session, whichever applies. Provisions contained in the above paragraph 1 shall apply to the new Prime Minister.

Confidence in the Government
Article 66

Once the Prime Minister selects the members of the government, the Prime Minister shall submit a request to the Legislative Council to hold a special session for a vote of confidence. The vote of confidence shall take place after hearing and discussing the written ministerial declaration which specifies the program and policy of the government. The session shall be held no later than one week from the date of submission of the request.

The vote of confidence shall be cast for the Prime Minister and the members of the government together, unless the absolute majority of the members of the Legislative Council decides otherwise.

Confidence shall be granted to the government if it obtains the affirmative vote of the absolute majority of the Members of the Palestinian Legislative Council.

Article 79

4 Neither the Prime Minister nor any of the Ministers shall assume their duties until they have obtained the confidence of the Legislative Council.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

Abbas illegally swore in the government without the required vote of confidence of the Legislative Council.

And it had nothing to do with Israel did it, it was an internal matter that only the Palestinians could deal with. The evidence points to hamas refusing to call another election and under the terms of the UN charter someone has to be accountable so it falls to Abbas. Or they lose their chance of self determination and statehood................

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed my point.

Even if Abbas was still the president, (being in his 8th year of a four year term) he did not follow constitutional requirements.

Abbas illegally swore in the government without the required vote of confidence of the Legislative Council.

(COMMENT)

This is an internal dispute between Palestinians, and not the world. If the world recognizes Mahmoud Abbas, incorrectly, as having the capacity to enter into relations with the other states; then, that is a matter of image that the Palestinians need to correct.

If what you say is true, then it is up to the Palestinian People to alter the impression, and establish recognition to the representative they have chosen. HAMAS has no recognition. That is not the fault of the US, the UN, or the world; but, the fault of the Palestinian People, if in fact they want HAMAS (with all the baggage they bring) to be their international representative. It is an indication that the Palestinian People do not have control over their government and have not instituted self-governing institutions.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

"The current Government was sworn in by the President of the State of Palestine, Mr. Mahmoud Abbas, on 6 June 2013." If the PLO-Executive Committee and the Palestinian National Council say that it is so, THEN it is so!

Who are you to say different?

Even if Abbas was still the president, (being in his 8th year of a four year term) he did not follow constitutional requirements.

Formation of the Government
Article 65

Once appointed by the President of the Palestinian National Authority, the Prime Minister shall form a government within three weeks of the date of appointment. There shall be a right to an extension of a maximum of two weeks.

If the Prime Minister fails to form a government within the stated deadline or does not obtain the confidence of the Legislative Council, then the President of the National Authority shall appoint another Prime Minister within two weeks of the passing of the deadline or the date of the confidence session, whichever applies. Provisions contained in the above paragraph 1 shall apply to the new Prime Minister.

Confidence in the Government
Article 66

Once the Prime Minister selects the members of the government, the Prime Minister shall submit a request to the Legislative Council to hold a special session for a vote of confidence. The vote of confidence shall take place after hearing and discussing the written ministerial declaration which specifies the program and policy of the government. The session shall be held no later than one week from the date of submission of the request.

The vote of confidence shall be cast for the Prime Minister and the members of the government together, unless the absolute majority of the members of the Legislative Council decides otherwise.

Confidence shall be granted to the government if it obtains the affirmative vote of the absolute majority of the Members of the Palestinian Legislative Council.

Article 79

4 Neither the Prime Minister nor any of the Ministers shall assume their duties until they have obtained the confidence of the Legislative Council.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

Abbas illegally swore in the government without the required vote of confidence of the Legislative Council.

And it had nothing to do with Israel did it, it was an internal matter that only the Palestinians could deal with. The evidence points to hamas refusing to call another election and under the terms of the UN charter someone has to be accountable so it falls to Abbas. Or they lose their chance of self determination and statehood................

Actually, it is always about Israel. It is not an internal matter.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ai-Udti1M]On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed my point.

Even if Abbas was still the president, (being in his 8th year of a four year term) he did not follow constitutional requirements.

Abbas illegally swore in the government without the required vote of confidence of the Legislative Council.

(COMMENT)

This is an internal dispute between Palestinians, and not the world. If the world recognizes Mahmoud Abbas, incorrectly, as having the capacity to enter into relations with the other states; then, that is a matter of image that the Palestinians need to correct.

If what you say is true, then it is up to the Palestinian People to alter the impression, and establish recognition to the representative they have chosen. HAMAS has no recognition. That is not the fault of the US, the UN, or the world; but, the fault of the Palestinian People, if in fact they want HAMAS (with all the baggage they bring) to be their international representative. It is an indication that the Palestinian People do not have control over their government and have not instituted self-governing institutions.

Most Respectfully,
R

I didn't miss your point. Your point is to slime the Palestinians at every opportunity.

I get your point.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed my point.

Even if Abbas was still the president, (being in his 8th year of a four year term) he did not follow constitutional requirements.

Abbas illegally swore in the government without the required vote of confidence of the Legislative Council.

(COMMENT)

This is an internal dispute between Palestinians, and not the world. If the world recognizes Mahmoud Abbas, incorrectly, as having the capacity to enter into relations with the other states; then, that is a matter of image that the Palestinians need to correct.

If what you say is true, then it is up to the Palestinian People to alter the impression, and establish recognition to the representative they have chosen. HAMAS has no recognition. That is not the fault of the US, the UN, or the world; but, the fault of the Palestinian People, if in fact they want HAMAS (with all the baggage they bring) to be their international representative. It is an indication that the Palestinian People do not have control over their government and have not instituted self-governing institutions.

Most Respectfully,
R

I didn't miss your point. Your point is to slime the Palestinians at every opportunity.

I get your point.

It doesn't need Rocco to slime the Palestinians. They do that very well for themselves.

 

[Phoenall]

Even if Abbas was still the president, (being in his 8th year of a four year term) he did not follow constitutional requirements.



Abbas illegally swore in the government without the required vote of confidence of the Legislative Council.

And it had nothing to do with Israel did it, it was an internal matter that only the Palestinians could deal with. The evidence points to hamas refusing to call another election and under the terms of the UN charter someone has to be accountable so it falls to Abbas. Or they lose their chance of self determination and statehood................

Actually, it is always about Israel. It is not an internal matter.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ai-Udti1M]On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube[/ame]

Are you now saying that Israel manipulated the elections and made hamas the minority winners. Then forced Abbas to go against the P.A. constitution and elect his own people into power, making the P.A. a dictatorship with him at the helm. If Israel was not there you would blame the USA, Britain, EU, Chine, Russia and the man in the moon rather than blame the incompetent semi literate muslims

 

[Roudy]

Hamas was elected in all of Palestine not just in Gaza.

Voting was for local redistricting seat for representatives. Think congress.
Congressmen are not elected by the whole US population, only by the district within the state.
Populous vote, between the parties, Fatah won the most votes (3 to 1 margin?). Each district had several Fatah candidates running and where Hamas ran, there was usually only one Hamas candidate. Pie got cut too thin between all those running, leaving the one hamas candidate with the largest piece. Hamas did not run in all districts, only those where they had a power base.

Perhaps if the election laws were different, or if Fatah was more coordinated and focused on winning as a party, thing would have been different.

The bottom line is that everyone followed the rules and Hamas won a majority of seats in the legislature.

The elections were judged free and fair by all international observers. I had heard it said that they were the most free and fair that they had seen anywhere.

I would argue that he unity government of March 2007 was the model government in the ME.

Bottom line is a terrorist organization is now leading Gaza. Hy are anything but model, more like typical and worse, corrupt, violent, oppressive, barbaric and theocratic. And now they refuse to hold elections. Soin other words the Palestinians went from having one terrorist thief named Arafat ruling them to an even worse and more religious and violent terrorist thief ruling them.

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed my point.

Even if Abbas was still the president, (being in his 8th year of a four year term) he did not follow constitutional requirements.

Abbas illegally swore in the government without the required vote of confidence of the Legislative Council.

(COMMENT)

This is an internal dispute between Palestinians, and not the world. If the world recognizes Mahmoud Abbas, incorrectly, as having the capacity to enter into relations with the other states; then, that is a matter of image that the Palestinians need to correct.

If what you say is true, then it is up to the Palestinian People to alter the impression, and establish recognition to the representative they have chosen. HAMAS has no recognition. That is not the fault of the US, the UN, or the world; but, the fault of the Palestinian People, if in fact they want HAMAS (with all the baggage they bring) to be their international representative. It is an indication that the Palestinian People do not have control over their government and have not instituted self-governing institutions.

Most Respectfully,
R

I didn't miss your point. Your point is to slime the Palestinians at every opportunity.

I get your point.

Palestinians don't need anybody help slime them. They do a good enough job sliming themselves.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And it had nothing to do with Israel did it, it was an internal matter that only the Palestinians could deal with. The evidence points to hamas refusing to call another election and under the terms of the UN charter someone has to be accountable so it falls to Abbas. Or they lose their chance of self determination and statehood................

Actually, it is always about Israel. It is not an internal matter.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ai-Udti1M]On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube[/ame]

Are you now saying that Israel manipulated the elections and made hamas the minority winners. Then forced Abbas to go against the P.A. constitution and elect his own people into power, making the P.A. a dictatorship with him at the helm. If Israel was not there you would blame the USA, Britain, EU, Chine, Russia and the man in the moon rather than blame the incompetent semi literate muslims

Well, no, I never said that.

Palestine (not just Gaza) held legislative elections in January '06. Hamas won the majority of seats. This gave Hamas the authority to approve or disapprove the formation of the government. (the PM and his cabinet) A Hamas led government was formed in complete compliance with the constitution.

Israel and its lackeys closed the place down. All the aid to Palestine bypassed the government and went to Abbas. Fatah security forces were armed, paid, and trained to overthrow the government.

In February '07 the Mecca Agreement proposed a unity government and in March '07 this government was legally constituted.
Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This was not good enough for Israel and its lackeys. More money and weapons went to Fatah which came to a head in June '07. Hamas kicked Fatah forces out of Gaza but with the help of Israel's military an illegal government was set up in the West Bank.

The liars call this the Palestinian Authority.

This link is pretty good in explaining what happened.

The Coup against Hamas
The international campaign to overthrow a democratically elected government

Israel - Palestine : Propaganda & Reality : The Coup against Hamas

 

[Phoenall]

Actually, it is always about Israel. It is not an internal matter.

On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube

Are you now saying that Israel manipulated the elections and made hamas the minority winners. Then forced Abbas to go against the P.A. constitution and elect his own people into power, making the P.A. a dictatorship with him at the helm. If Israel was not there you would blame the USA, Britain, EU, Chine, Russia and the man in the moon rather than blame the incompetent semi literate muslims

Well, no, I never said that.

Palestine (not just Gaza) held legislative elections in January '06. Hamas won the majority of seats. This gave Hamas the authority to approve or disapprove the formation of the government. (the PM and his cabinet) A Hamas led government was formed in complete compliance with the constitution.

Israel and its lackeys closed the place down. All the aid to Palestine bypassed the government and went to Abbas. Fatah security forces were armed, paid, and trained to overthrow the government.

In February '07 the Mecca Agreement proposed a unity government and in March '07 this government was legally constituted.
Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This was not good enough for Israel and its lackeys. More money and weapons went to Fatah which came to a head in June '07. Hamas kicked Fatah forces out of Gaza but with the help of Israel's military an illegal government was set up in the West Bank.

The liars call this the Palestinian Authority.

This link is pretty good in explaining what happened.

The Coup against Hamas
The international campaign to overthrow a democratically elected government

Israel - Palestine : Propaganda & Reality : The Coup against Hamas

Hamas did not win the majority of seats they managed a minority. Fatah came in a close second leaving 9 seats for other parties. As in all other democratic elections a coalition can be formed to have a majority of seats which is what happened in the P.A. The coalition took power with fatah at the helm.

Here are the results that show neither hamas nor fatah had an overall majority


Palestinian voters had two votes, one for their favorite political party (the proportional vote) and another for individual candidates in winner-take-all districts where the highest vote-getters win. In the proportional vote, which is a national vote and therefore the best measure of the overall support for each political party, Hamas won about 45 percent of the popular vote and about the same percentage of seats — 30 of 66, not a majority. The incumbent party, Fatah, won about 41 percent of the popular vote and 27 of 66 seats, only three seats behind Hamas.


66 seats of which hamas won 30 and fatah won 27 leaving 9 to decide who they would side with, and fatah won the right to govern because hamas could not pay the outsiders anything. That is how democracy works and you muslims don't like it do you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you now saying that Israel manipulated the elections and made hamas the minority winners. Then forced Abbas to go against the P.A. constitution and elect his own people into power, making the P.A. a dictatorship with him at the helm. If Israel was not there you would blame the USA, Britain, EU, Chine, Russia and the man in the moon rather than blame the incompetent semi literate muslims

Well, no, I never said that.

Palestine (not just Gaza) held legislative elections in January '06. Hamas won the majority of seats. This gave Hamas the authority to approve or disapprove the formation of the government. (the PM and his cabinet) A Hamas led government was formed in complete compliance with the constitution.

Israel and its lackeys closed the place down. All the aid to Palestine bypassed the government and went to Abbas. Fatah security forces were armed, paid, and trained to overthrow the government.

In February '07 the Mecca Agreement proposed a unity government and in March '07 this government was legally constituted.
Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This was not good enough for Israel and its lackeys. More money and weapons went to Fatah which came to a head in June '07. Hamas kicked Fatah forces out of Gaza but with the help of Israel's military an illegal government was set up in the West Bank.

The liars call this the Palestinian Authority.

This link is pretty good in explaining what happened.

The Coup against Hamas
The international campaign to overthrow a democratically elected government

Israel - Palestine : Propaganda & Reality : The Coup against Hamas

Hamas did not win the majority of seats they managed a minority. Fatah came in a close second leaving 9 seats for other parties. As in all other democratic elections a coalition can be formed to have a majority of seats which is what happened in the P.A. The coalition took power with fatah at the helm.

Here are the results that show neither hamas nor fatah had an overall majority


Palestinian voters had two votes, one for their favorite political party (the proportional vote) and another for individual candidates in winner-take-all districts where the highest vote-getters win. In the proportional vote, which is a national vote and therefore the best measure of the overall support for each political party, Hamas won about 45 percent of the popular vote and about the same percentage of seats — 30 of 66, not a majority. The incumbent party, Fatah, won about 41 percent of the popular vote and 27 of 66 seats, only three seats behind Hamas.


66 seats of which hamas won 30 and fatah won 27 leaving 9 to decide who they would side with, and fatah won the right to govern because hamas could not pay the outsiders anything. That is how democracy works and you muslims don't like it do you.

That is neither here nor there. The legislature approved the Hamas government of 2006 and approved the unity government of 2007.

None of Abbass's illegal "emergency" governments have ever been approved in the legislature as required by their constitution.

 

[aris2chat]

Actually, it is always about Israel. It is not an internal matter.

On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube

Are you now saying that Israel manipulated the elections and made hamas the minority winners. Then forced Abbas to go against the P.A. constitution and elect his own people into power, making the P.A. a dictatorship with him at the helm. If Israel was not there you would blame the USA, Britain, EU, Chine, Russia and the man in the moon rather than blame the incompetent semi literate muslims

Well, no, I never said that.

Palestine (not just Gaza) held legislative elections in January '06. Hamas won the majority of seats. This gave Hamas the authority to approve or disapprove the formation of the government. (the PM and his cabinet) A Hamas led government was formed in complete compliance with the constitution.

Israel and its lackeys closed the place down. All the aid to Palestine bypassed the government and went to Abbas. Fatah security forces were armed, paid, and trained to overthrow the government.

In February '07 the Mecca Agreement proposed a unity government and in March '07 this government was legally constituted.
Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This was not good enough for Israel and its lackeys. More money and weapons went to Fatah which came to a head in June '07. Hamas kicked Fatah forces out of Gaza but with the help of Israel's military an illegal government was set up in the West Bank.

The liars call this the Palestinian Authority.

This link is pretty good in explaining what happened.

The Coup against Hamas
The international campaign to overthrow a democratically elected government

Israel - Palestine : Propaganda & Reality : The Coup against Hamas

Hamas violently forced Fatah out of gaza. Nothing democratic about it. Hamas changed the laws in gaza. Hamas wage war against Israel. They don't represent palestine or the palestinians people, but their own interests.

Hamas will not allow election, will not form a unity government with the PA, will not lay down their arms, will not accept Israel as a state, will not accept any peace deal.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you now saying that Israel manipulated the elections and made hamas the minority winners. Then forced Abbas to go against the P.A. constitution and elect his own people into power, making the P.A. a dictatorship with him at the helm. If Israel was not there you would blame the USA, Britain, EU, Chine, Russia and the man in the moon rather than blame the incompetent semi literate muslims

Well, no, I never said that.

Palestine (not just Gaza) held legislative elections in January '06. Hamas won the majority of seats. This gave Hamas the authority to approve or disapprove the formation of the government. (the PM and his cabinet) A Hamas led government was formed in complete compliance with the constitution.

Israel and its lackeys closed the place down. All the aid to Palestine bypassed the government and went to Abbas. Fatah security forces were armed, paid, and trained to overthrow the government.

In February '07 the Mecca Agreement proposed a unity government and in March '07 this government was legally constituted.
Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This was not good enough for Israel and its lackeys. More money and weapons went to Fatah which came to a head in June '07. Hamas kicked Fatah forces out of Gaza but with the help of Israel's military an illegal government was set up in the West Bank.

The liars call this the Palestinian Authority.

This link is pretty good in explaining what happened.

The Coup against Hamas
The international campaign to overthrow a democratically elected government

Israel - Palestine : Propaganda & Reality : The Coup against Hamas

Hamas violently forced Fatah out of gaza. Nothing democratic about it. Hamas changed the laws in gaza. Hamas wage war against Israel. They don't represent palestine or the palestinians people, but their own interests.

Hamas will not allow election, will not form a unity government with the PA, will not lay down their arms, will not accept Israel as a state, will not accept any peace deal.

Good compilation of Israel's propaganda talking points.

 

[Sally]

Well, no, I never said that.

Palestine (not just Gaza) held legislative elections in January '06. Hamas won the majority of seats. This gave Hamas the authority to approve or disapprove the formation of the government. (the PM and his cabinet) A Hamas led government was formed in complete compliance with the constitution.

Israel and its lackeys closed the place down. All the aid to Palestine bypassed the government and went to Abbas. Fatah security forces were armed, paid, and trained to overthrow the government.

In February '07 the Mecca Agreement proposed a unity government and in March '07 this government was legally constituted.
Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This was not good enough for Israel and its lackeys. More money and weapons went to Fatah which came to a head in June '07. Hamas kicked Fatah forces out of Gaza but with the help of Israel's military an illegal government was set up in the West Bank.

The liars call this the Palestinian Authority.

This link is pretty good in explaining what happened.

The Coup against Hamas
The international campaign to overthrow a democratically elected government

Israel - Palestine : Propaganda & Reality : The Coup against Hamas

Hamas violently forced Fatah out of gaza. Nothing democratic about it. Hamas changed the laws in gaza. Hamas wage war against Israel. They don't represent palestine or the palestinians people, but their own interests.

Hamas will not allow election, will not form a unity government with the PA, will not lay down their arms, will not accept Israel as a state, will not accept any peace deal.

Good compilation of Israel's propaganda talking points.

What a great post from a Hamas guy, Mr. Tinmore!!! I think most of us can go with Aris' information than from someone who backs Hamas and who never wants to hear anything negative about Hamas.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas violently forced Fatah out of gaza. Nothing democratic about it. Hamas changed the laws in gaza. Hamas wage war against Israel. They don't represent palestine or the palestinians people, but their own interests.

Hamas will not allow election, will not form a unity government with the PA, will not lay down their arms, will not accept Israel as a state, will not accept any peace deal.

Good compilation of Israel's propaganda talking points.

What a great post from a Hamas guy, Mr. Tinmore!!! I think most of us can go with Aris' information than from someone who backs Hamas and who never wants to hear anything negative about Hamas.

It is not that I am backing Hamas it is that I am backing legal process.

 

[toastman]

Good compilation of Israel's propaganda talking points.

What a great post from a Hamas guy, Mr. Tinmore!!! I think most of us can go with Aris' information than from someone who backs Hamas and who never wants to hear anything negative about Hamas.

It is not that I am backing Hamas it is that I am backing legal process.

I dont see how anyone can back Hamas. They've done nothing for their people except invite death and destruction to Gaza

 

[ForeverYoung436]

What a great post from a Hamas guy, Mr. Tinmore!!! I think most of us can go with Aris' information than from someone who backs Hamas and who never wants to hear anything negative about Hamas.

It is not that I am backing Hamas it is that I am backing legal process.

I dont see how anyone can back Hamas. They've done nothing for their people except invite death and destruction to Gaza

Even the way they dress. Why do they have to wear masks, like bandits? Do you see the Ukrainian revolutionaries wearing masks?