Israeli Foreign Policy

[TheOldSchool]

In America foreign policy is a pretty big freakin' deal. Entire Presidencies have been lionized over it, such as Reagan's, and absolutely decimated by it, such as Bush and Obama. I group Bush and Obama together because people expected that Obama would repair the grave damage that was done by Bush but I think at this point we can pretty much see Obama is a failure in that regard.

^So check it out... EVERYTHING I posted above is enough for a HUGE, EPIC debate in America. Enough to turn entire elections!

So this got me to thinking about Israel. What kind of people are the voters of Israel electing? Because it sure hasn't worked out for them. They have exactly ONE ally. And that's the U.S. I mean damn Russia gives Iran centrifuges, China does whatever it wants, India doesn't like them, pretty much all of Europe and Africa don't like them... and those are their NEIGHBORS! How is it that their only ally is on the OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET?

It sounds to me like there's a pretty damn incompetent leadership over in Israel.

So why do Israeli's keep voting for the status quo?

 

[I.P.Freely]

The system of election is proportional representation, this IMO causes rabid polarization.The then horse trading to establish a coalition to lead, has little to do with who the voter voted for.

 

[TheOldSchool]

The system of election is proportional representation, this IMO causes rabid polarization.The then horse trading to establish a coalition to lead, has little to do with who the voter voted for.

How does that apply to Israel?

 

[S.J.]

Maybe it's for the same reason Palestinians keep voting for the status quo.

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

In America foreign policy is a pretty big freakin' deal. Entire Presidencies have been lionized over it, such as Reagan's, and absolutely decimated by it, such as Bush and Obama. I group Bush and Obama together because people expected that Obama would repair the grave damage that was done by Bush but I think at this point we can pretty much see Obama is a failure in that regard.

^So check it out... EVERYTHING I posted above is enough for a HUGE, EPIC debate in America. Enough to turn entire elections!

So this got me to thinking about Israel. What kind of people are the voters of Israel electing? Because it sure hasn't worked out for them. They have exactly ONE ally. And that's the U.S. I mean damn Russia gives Iran centrifuges, China does whatever it wants, India doesn't like them, pretty much all of Europe and Africa don't like them... and those are their NEIGHBORS! How is it that their only ally is on the OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET?

It sounds to me like there's a pretty damn incompetent leadership over in Israel.

So why do Israeli's keep voting for the status quo?

Oh come on OldFool, why don't you and all the other lefties just slip on your Nazi armbands and be done with it? And speaking of fools, I think you made a grand omission in rating your presidents. The absolute magnum opus of foreign policy disasters had to be Jimmy Carter and nobody else.

 

[I.P.Freely]

The system of election is proportional representation, this IMO causes rabid polarization.The then horse trading to establish a coalition to lead, has little to do with who the voter voted for.

How does that apply to Israel?

It creates a deeply fragmented society that can only be held together by a common enemy and war.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Oh come on OldFool, why don't you and all the other lefties just slip on your Nazi armbands and be done with it? And speaking of fools, I think you made a grand omission in rating your presidents. The absolute magnum opus of foreign policy disasters had to be Jimmy Carter and nobody else.

Try again please. You didn't even come close to addressing anything in the OP.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Maybe it's for the same reason Palestinians keep voting for the status quo.

What reason exactly?

 

[Manonthestreet]

Actually they do quite the business with the Russians and India......Germany selling them subs.......

 

[TheOldSchool]

Actually they do quite the business with the Russians and India......Germany selling them subs.......

Oh? Then why are those countries having as little to do with intervention in the middle east as possible? AKA they're not doing ANYTHING

 

[Manonthestreet]

Why should they...... Germany doesnt intervene anywhere...Russia is in Syria.........

 

[S.J.]

Maybe it's for the same reason Palestinians keep voting for the status quo.

What reason exactly?

Guess I have to explain it to the dumbass. The Islamist bastards keep electing terrorists, so the Israelis have to keep electing leaders who are willing to kill them. Any more stupid questions?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Guess I have to explain it to the dumbass. The Islamist bastards keep electing terrorists, so the Israelis have to keep electing leaders who are willing to kill them. Any more stupid questions?

Well it seems you're COMPLETELY MISSING the WHOLE point of the thread!

If your point is so obvious then why do Israeli's keep electing people that are COMPLETELY FAILING at getting that point across?

 

[Rikurzhen]

In America foreign policy is a pretty big freakin' deal. Entire Presidencies have been lionized over it, such as Reagan's, and absolutely decimated by it, such as Bush and Obama. I group Bush and Obama together because people expected that Obama would repair the grave damage that was done by Bush but I think at this point we can pretty much see Obama is a failure in that regard.

^So check it out... EVERYTHING I posted above is enough for a HUGE, EPIC debate in America. Enough to turn entire elections!

So this got me to thinking about Israel. What kind of people are the voters of Israel electing? Because it sure hasn't worked out for them. They have exactly ONE ally. And that's the U.S. I mean damn Russia gives Iran centrifuges, China does whatever it wants, India doesn't like them, pretty much all of Europe and Africa don't like them... and those are their NEIGHBORS! How is it that their only ally is on the OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET?

It sounds to me like there's a pretty damn incompetent leadership over in Israel.

So why do Israeli's keep voting for the status quo?

Oh FFS, is it really too much to ask that you check your impression of reality against, you know, reality? Liberals believing the world that they want to exist actually exists.

China:

Israel has provided China with technological assistance in the areas of advanced agriculture and irrigation. Bilateral R&D projects, supported by the China-Israel Agricultural Research Fund, are focused on the development of new varieties of fruit and vegetables, agricultural biotechnology and applying modern technologies for processing fresh produce. Israel has built three major demonstration farms in China and several training centers which are supported by both Chinese and Israeli ministries of agriculture.

Israel has also provided China with military assistance, expertise and technology. According to a report from the United States-China Economic and Security Review Commission, "Israel ranks second only to Russia as a weapons system provider to China and as a conduit for sophisticated military technology, followed by France and Germany." Israel was ready to sell China the Phalcon, an Israeli airborne early-warning radar system (AWACS), until the United States forced it to cancel the deal.[114][115]

Since the establishment of diplomatic relations, cultural exchange has been a major component of the bilateral relations, as both sides recognise the importance of creating a strong foundation based on their ancient and rich histories.[116] In 2007, China launched a countrywide Festival of Culture in Israel to mark 15 years of relations.
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India:

India established diplomatic relations with the State of Israel in 1992 and has since become Israel's strongest ally in Asia.[118][119] The two countries cooperate in anti-terrorist activities in the Middle East and Southern Asia. Israel is India's largest arms provider and India is Israel's principal arms market, and the trade volume between the two countries has increased significantly in the past few years.[120] Co-operation has taken place in the space sector as well with India launching Israeli satellites. India became the top source market for Israel from Asia in 2010 with 41,000 tourist arrivals in that year.[121]

Israel and India share intelligence on terrorist groups. They have developed close defense and security ties since establishing diplomatic relations in 1991. In 2009, Israel overtook Russia as India's biggest arms supplier; the U.S. even gave Israel approval to sell the Phalcon to India after earlier forcing Tel Aviv to cancel a similar deal with China. India has bought more than $5 billion worth of Israeli equipment since 2002. In addition, Israel is training Indian military units and discussing an arrangement to give Indian commandos instruction in counter-terrorist tactics and urban warfare.[122] In December 2008, Israel and India signed a memorandum to set up an Indo-Israel Legal Colloquium to facilitate discussions and exchange programs between judges and jurists of the two countries. According to an international opinion survey conducted in 2009 on behalf of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, India is the most pro-Israel country in the world.[123][124] While two sizable minorities in Indian life—the Indian Muslim population and the Socialist/Communist political groups—disdain New Delhi's ties to Israel, they have repeatedly failed to change them.​

 

[S.J.]

Guess I have to explain it to the dumbass. The Islamist bastards keep electing terrorists, so the Israelis have to keep electing leaders who are willing to kill them. Any more stupid questions?

Well it seems you're COMPLETELY MISSING the WHOLE point of the thread!

If your point is so obvious then why do Israeli's keep electing people that are COMPLETELY FAILING at getting that point across?

They're not failing, that's just your worthless opinion.

 

[TheOldSchool]

They're not failing, that's just your worthless opinion.

If Obama had reduced us to a single ally you'd be crucifying him. Hell you'd like to see him crucified RIGHT NOW!

Why can't Israel's leaders be held to that same standard?

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

Actually they do quite the business with the Russians and India......Germany selling them subs.......

Oh? Then why are those countries having as little to do with intervention in the middle east as possible? AKA they're not doing ANYTHING

Right. Germany supplied Israel with their fleet of six Dolphin-class submarines, the world's most advanced diesel submarines that were designed from the get-go to accommodate Israel's long-range Popeye nuclear cruise missiles, any one of which could level Tehran, Damascus, or Baghdad. I'd hardly call that non-intervention on the part of the Germans.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Right. Germany supplied Israel with their fleet of six Dolphin-class submarines, the world's most advanced diesel submarines that were designed from the get-go to accommodate Israel's long-range Popeye nuclear cruise missiles, any one of which could level Tehran, Damascus, or Baghdad. I'd hardly call that non-intervention on the part of the Germans.

What are those subs doing these days?

 

[Beelzebub]

In America foreign policy is a pretty big freakin' deal. Entire Presidencies have been lionized over it, such as Reagan's, and absolutely decimated by it, such as Bush and Obama. I group Bush and Obama together because people expected that Obama would repair the grave damage that was done by Bush but I think at this point we can pretty much see Obama is a failure in that regard.

^So check it out... EVERYTHING I posted above is enough for a HUGE, EPIC debate in America. Enough to turn entire elections!

So this got me to thinking about Israel. What kind of people are the voters of Israel electing? Because it sure hasn't worked out for them. They have exactly ONE ally. And that's the U.S. I mean damn Russia gives Iran centrifuges, China does whatever it wants, India doesn't like them, pretty much all of Europe and Africa don't like them... and those are their NEIGHBORS! How is it that their only ally is on the OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET?

It sounds to me like there's a pretty damn incompetent leadership over in Israel.

So why do Israeli's keep voting for the status quo?

You know, that is probably one of the more searching questions I have read on this site.
Though there is maybe not too much competition there, when Zionists cannot even agree that Genocide is wrong.

I think Israelis - and there is a spectrum of them so forgive the generalisations - want change. In fact they have left other countries to go to Israel, and hoped to live well and prosper, and change. But they change they want is really to be wealthier. ANYTHING to be wealthier. The society there does allow a fair bit of ostentatious wealth, but it is also shot through with organised crime, corruption and poor people who are at risk, economically and socially.

But there is big population growth. Due to dogmatic reasons factions are breeding more, actively encouraged by the government, to 'grow more Zionists'. There is also an on-going influx as Israel's racist immigration policies causes it to try to bring as many Jews in as it can. Again, to boost numbers of Zionist voters.

And there is the dilemma. To grow individual and family wealth in a system which is spreading the same resources, land, housing, water, jobs over increasing numbers of people leads to great risks for the poorer. And probably for much of the middle classes.

So expansion of territory helps add to resources. Savage repression of any non-Zionist people allows their wealth and their power to be annexed to Israel, giving tiny increments to pro-Zionists.

It is well known that few people will break out of a structure given to them as Approved Reality. The propaganda of the Racist Israeli State says that violent suppression and unequal application of law is an Israeli Right, because Jews are more valuable than non-Jews. This particular element is a corrupting influence on each individual, because of the innate desire of everyone to be classed as 'special' and 'elite'.

Zionism's leadership learned from Germany that the 'Master Race' message is really very hypnotic, and have used it ruthlessly to control their population.

 

[Beelzebub]

Right. Germany supplied Israel with their fleet of six Dolphin-class submarines, the world's most advanced diesel submarines that were designed from the get-go to accommodate Israel's long-range Popeye nuclear cruise missiles, any one of which could level Tehran, Damascus, or Baghdad. I'd hardly call that non-intervention on the part of the Germans.

What are those subs doing these days?

I think just 4 are delivered. Probably two operational, and the others in training mode / sea trials.
Likely that they have one on patrol spying on stuff in the Red Sea, and basically, getting some practice in.
Of course, if they have been able to, they will be armed with nukes, waiting for the call to turn Berlin, London and Paris into glass.