Israel - a sad, pathetic, bloody joke

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    You can’t “return” to a part of the world when the only connection you have with it is the fact that this particular area was, more than 1500 years ago inhabited by people who shared the same religion as you.

    You can’t convert to Shinto and start saying you’re going to “return” to Japan. You have to have more or less close Japanese ancestors for that.

    You can’t convert to Islam and start saying you’re going to “return” to Saudi Arabia. Now if at least four of your greatgrandparents were Saudis, it’s a different story.

    You can only return to the land of your CLOSE ancestors.

    You have to have a relatively strong genetic justification for your return to that land.

    Most jus sanguinis legislations in the world do not allow the return of “descendants” that left the homeland 500 years ago, let alone, 1500.

    The israeli Law of Return is the most ridiculous piece of legislation in the entire world.
     
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    There are two basic kinds of Jews:

    Ashkenazi jews are white european Jews.

    Sephardic or mirazchi jews are jews from the Middle East (mainly arab countries).

    Sephardic jews are semitic. Genetic tests performed on palestinian jews and palestinian arabs consistently show that the only “diference” between the two is their religious faith.

    The ashkenazi are europeans in all but religion.

    If you take into account an ancestry dating back to 2000 years then every single human being can “return” to anywhere on Earth.

    The semitic genetic information brought to Europe by Jews fleeing the persecution in their land is now equally shared by the entire population of Europe.

    As far as the “jewish genes” are concerned, any caucasian individual in Europe has the “right” to live in Palestine. Including Hitler.

    Before you cite “genetic tests” that “prove” the ashkenazi are ethnic jews or even semitic for that matter, I would like to remind you that this is a very politically charged question.

    I usually respect genetic tests, but not when they start telling me a pigmy living in the heart of Congo is an ethnic Norwegian.

    Almost all geneticists agree that ashkenazi jews are eastern europeans behaving like ethnic jews and sephardic jews are arabs doing the same thing.

    Let’s face the facts, people, ashkenazi jews are about as semitic as Puff Daddy and the queen of Sweden...

    People make a big fuss about the fact that there has always been a palestinian jewish community and this is quite correct... What they conveniently forget to say is the fact that the palestinian jews strongly opposed the creation of a jewish country in Palestine for it would antagonize the arab population.

    AND NOT ONLY PALESTINIAN JEWS... BUT ALL SEPHARDIC JEWS, THE ONLY JEWS WHO REALLY BELONG TO THE MIDDLE EAST, STRONGLY OPPOSED THE CREATION OF ISRAEL.

    The reality check says:

    Israel is a creation of an european people, the ashkenazi jews... It was conceived by Herzl, Jabotinsky and other european jews, it was also created by them, for their protection against european anti-semitism and no one else’s.

    Sephardic jews had to flee their countries BECAUSE OF Israel’s creation. Since the start of the last century the prospect of a jewish state in Palestine was already causing trouble for sephardic jews.

    THE ONLY SEMITIC JEWS IN THE WORLD BITTERLY OPPOSED THE CREATION OF ISRAEL, SO IT’S A SAD IRONY THAT THEY (SPECIALLY PALESTINIAN JEWS) ARE NOW USED AS A JUSTIFICATION FOR ISRAEL’S CREATION.

    I agree with people who say palestinian arabs do not form a separate nation. Palestinian arabs are indeed just arabs living in Palestine, nothing more, nothing less.

    But as members of the arab nation, they are, at least, semites, a native people of the Middle East, which is more than we can say about Israel’s founders, the ashkenazi jews.

    America and South Africa were also colonial projects like Israel. But at least european colonizers in America and the Dutch in South Africa never claimed to be the descendants of an ancient people who once inhabited America and South Africa two millenia ago.

    So one can, AT LEAST, study the sad history of the colonization of the Americas and South Africa without rolling on the floor laughing.

    The same can’t be said of Israel.

    A bunch of PSEUDO-JEWS... blonds, readheads, blue eyes, skin whiter than milk, faces and arms sprinkled with freckles...A bunch of ethnic russians, ukrainians and poles claiming they are “returning” to the land of their ancestors, an ancient semitic people who inhabited that part of the Middle East more than 1500 years ago... and using this MYTHOLOGICAL ancestry as a pretext to dispossess and displace the native semitic population of western Palestine and occupy and opress this same population in eastern Palestine.
     
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    People always talk about the most controversial issue regarding the israeli/palestinian conflict: the right of return of palestinian refugees, but I’m afraid they ask the wrong question.

    The real question we should be asking is not the right to return of the native semitic population of Palestine, it’s more than clear they have this right based on genetics, international law and common morality.

    The real question to be asked is THE RIGHT TO STAY of the ashkenazi jews.

    Do they have a right to stay in Palestine or do they have to return to the land of their ancestors: Warsaw, Kiev and Moscow?

    This is just a satire, of course... The fact that they are not a semitic people means nothing now... Most of them were born in Palestine, and just like white people in South Africa, they have every right to spend their lives there.

    They just don’t have the right to deny the native arab population of Palestine the very same right they wouldn’t like to see denied to them.
     
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    First of all, I have to say that I love ajwps like a brother. I imagine him as a very flamboyant, very intense individual, always making passionate speeches in defence of his beloved Israel. I would like to meet him irl to see whether my ideation corresponds to the truth or not.

    And as someone else said before, he’s an accomplished commedian.

    I will never forget these three “nuggets”:

    “José Muhammed”

    “José’s desillusioned with his strong faith in Islam”

    “José’s opinions are like farts, they come from his entrails and they stink”

    LOL

    You can love him, you can hate him, but no one can deny the fact that Arnold J. Wolf is the funniest fundamentalist jew in the world.

    I also deeply respect his religious faith but any serious geneticist would declare he is not a semite, let alone, an ethnic jew.

    His last name clearly shows us he’s an ashkenazi jew.

    Any SERIOUS DNA test would reveal the fact that he is a caucasian individual behaving like an ethnic Jew did 2000 years ago.

    He just can’t “return” to Palestine based on his genes.

    Whether he likes it or not, ashkenazi jews are just another modern european people, who, GENETICALLY, have the same “right to return” to Palestine as Latvians or Finns.

    Ethnic germans, poles and ukrainians moving and living in Palestine, IN A SOCIETY OF EQUALS, would still seem a bit exotic, eccentric but there would be nothing fundamentally wrong with that.

    What turns Israel into a tragicomic political entity is the ETHNIC SUPREMACISM exercised on the native semitic population of Palestine by those european settlers through the land grab and ethnic cleansing of Western Palestine and the occupation and settlement activity that is going on in Eastern Palestine and the laughable, ridiculous attempt to justify this ethnic supremacism ON GENETIC GROUNDS.

    As I said, America and South Africa could at least be taken seriously as colonial projects.

    The jewish ethnocracy, the supremacist political entity created in the Middle East by non-semitic, ashkenazi jews can’t even be taken seriously...

    Israel is just a joke... A sad, pathetic, bloody joke.
     
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    I see. The world is already settled so F the Jews and their desire to have a land of their own. This is not a new desire Jose. Almost every Jewish prayer has the return to Israel mentioned in it since the Jews left. This is not to mention that there have always been Jews in Israel .. lots of them. So I'm glad for you that the rest of the world's religions and peoples have grabbed what's theirs, but this is mine. This has always been mine and you just kept me from it until there where so many Jews in the area that the only thing to do was recognize them. But poor Arab Moslems. So bereft of land. Lets just give them everything. You twit .. Don't need your permission, or that of the UN, to have my own country. Jose .. what would you like to see the Jews do .. just live around the world until we are eventually swallowed by the nations ?! I believe that your nonesense borders on appeasement / religious containment. Either way, makes no difference .. Israel is real.
     
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    Genetics ?! Are you serious ?! We all come from the same something somewhere. Meens nothing. Yes, I am a Semite like my brother, and yes, I'm Eastern European. My brother is a ranting lunatic so we don't get along. Hope you can understand. But you fool, I'm also a "cohen", a priest, so I can actually trace my father's fathers back to Aron, Moses' brother. The last person that I read that waxed poetic about Jewish genetics drew me w/ a long nose and insisted that I'm infirior.

    Just curious Jose ... where are you from ?!
     
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    What's sad is that you think Jews practiced ethnic cleansing like it was Israel that attacked 5 Arab armies the day after it's creation as a recognized country. The sad thing is that I don't believe that the Jews can do anything right in your eyes Jose. The really sad thing is that Arab Moslems practice real ethnic cleansing all the time (see Sudan), but it's gotta be the Jew's fault. You are so ridiculously pathetic that it's pretty sad. I'm not going anywhere so sooner or later you might want to start thinking about what's actually in the interest of your beloved and wronged murdering masses known as Moslem Arabs .. in this case Palestinians.
     
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    Um, you do know that many Jews lived there when Israel was made a State right? They were the "terrorists" of that time attacking in guerilla style the oppressive Palestinians. It wasn't like they made Israel and all the jews returned to a place, they made the state and the jews that were there began it while many jews made their way to Israel to live.
     
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    Jose
    Must congratulate you on the good copy/paste job.

    One response to you all your "arguments", isreal is here to stay, jews have, do and will define themself according to the same rules as everyone else.
    Jewish is a religion and nationality no matter that you think about it.
    SO deal with it, cause jews and the rest of us will move on

    One quick question although, if israel is such a sad, pathetic and bloody joke, how come you seems to pay so much attention to it?
     
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    One other question Jose. Is the Sudan a bad joke too ?! In the Sudan the Arab Muslems are driving out the Black African residents who have lived on the land long before Mohamed was a bad joke in his daddy's tunic. I am curious if you are aware of Moslem attrocities and out-n-out land grabs around the world (Bali .. Africa .. Southern Russia .. etc etc) ?! Are the Jews the losers of your global musical chairs game ?! Sorry Jews .. no room for you. I'm not too woride because the Moslems will take your chair eventually too, and then we'll see how funny you think having a Muslem state next to you is. I promise you that it will not be a good time had by all. So to you, and the rest of the Muslem appeasers, ask Chamberlain where that road leads to.
     

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