Islam will be the dominate religion of the western nations

[anotherlife]

Islam is coming to make you eat off the floor with your hand from a communal plate. No wonder they're all insane.

Europeans hate Christ. If you were Christ, how would you punish them? I think eating like that is fitting.

 

[Taz]

Islam is coming to make you eat off the floor with your hand from a communal plate. No wonder they're all insane.

Europeans hate Christ. If you were Christ, how would you punish them? I think eating like that is fitting.

Why would Christ need to punish them?

 

[Hossfly]

Do you mean to imply that no Christian would kill innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity?

Very small chance. Christians live in the present.

Christianity has been around for 2,000 years and there have plenty of instances where Christians killed innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity. So what you meant to write was:

"Happened many times throughout history but Christians ignore their past."​

They aren't doing it now but militant Islam is. Islam is 600 years younger, was founded by a murderous, caravan robbing child molester and was based on violence toward non-Muslims.

 

[alang1216]

Do you mean to imply that no Christian would kill innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity?

Very small chance. Christians live in the present.

Christianity has been around for 2,000 years and there have plenty of instances where Christians killed innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity. So what you meant to write was:

"Happened many times throughout history but Christians ignore their past."​

They aren't doing it now but militant Islam is. Islam is 600 years younger, was founded by a murderous, caravan robbing child molester and was based on violence toward non-Muslims.

"They aren't doing it now"
So Christians used to kill innocent people in the name of Christianity but they don't now. A good thing but what changed? Did the Bible change or was it the culture that changed?

Likewise, Muslims didn't used to kill innocent people like militant Islamists do today. Not so good a thing but what changed? Did the Quran change or was it the culture that changed?

 

[Lastamender]

B'loney.

Good point. Set your clock back 150 years and you could rewrite your post substituting Irish/Catholic for Islam/Muslim.

What were the Irish Catholics blowing up? Where is their doctrine saying they intended to dominate the world? Can you post a copy?

Questions totally irrelevant to the subject of assimilation.

Muslim Non-Assimilation

The Koran says Muslims are not supposed to assimilate. Look at Western Europe.

“I understand very well that you are against assimilation. One cannot expect you to assimilate. Assimilation is a crime against humanity.” Erdogan

Why does Erdogan call assimilation “a crime against humanity?” It is because the “humanity” he embraces includes only Islam’s believers—i.e., non-believers are unworthy of inclusion. Thus, believers in foreign lands are instructed to isolate themselves—for the sake of purity—from non-believers.

This debate has been going on from the beginning of the US and it is silly since the assimilation patterns of every new group is generally the same. The first generation tries to keep their religion, language, and culture intact. If the community is big enough they have their own theater, newspapers, businesses, etc. All in the native language. The second generation generally speaks their native language at home but uses English elsewhere. They have a foot in both worlds. The third generation is completely American and often can't even speak to their grandparents. If those 3rd generation kids are not assimilated then we should worry.

Many groups, not just Muslims, view assimilation as genocide. They will keep their children in private/religious school to prevent it. There is a saying among Jews that American assimilation will do what Hitler failed to do.

Many groups, not just Muslims, view assimilation as genocide

Name those groups and point out the ones plotting and carrying out terror attacks.

 

[Lastamender]

Do you mean to imply that no Christian would kill innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity?

Very small chance. Christians live in the present.

Christianity has been around for 2,000 years and there have plenty of instances where Christians killed innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity. So what you meant to write was:

"Happened many times throughout history but Christians ignore their past."​

They aren't doing it now but militant Islam is. Islam is 600 years younger, was founded by a murderous, caravan robbing child molester and was based on violence toward non-Muslims.

"They aren't doing it now"
So Christians used to kill innocent people in the name of Christianity but they don't now. A good thing but what changed? Did the Bible change or was it the culture that changed?

Likewise, Muslims didn't used to kill innocent people like militant Islamists do today. Not so good a thing but what changed? Did the Quran change or was it the culture that changed?

Likewise, Muslims didn't used to kill innocent people like militant Islamists do today. Not so good a thing but what changed? Did the Quran change or was it the culture that changed?

In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.

Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.

 

[alang1216]

Many groups, not just Muslims, view assimilation as genocide

Name those groups and point out the ones plotting and carrying out terror attacks.

There is an orthodox Jewish sect in upstate NY that has moved so many members to a small that they have taken control and enacted very unpopular laws.

 

[alang1216]

In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.

Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.

In Islam, Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" and accorded respect and privileges in the Quran itself. Both Jews and Christians have had their periods of sectarian violence. One Jewish victim figures prominently in the NT. Christians killed one another over religious differences for decades after the reformation.

 

[Hossfly]

In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.

Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.

In Islam, Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" and accorded respect and privileges in the Quran itself. Both Jews and Christians have had their periods of sectarian violence. One Jewish victim figures prominently in the NT. Christians killed one another over religious differences for decades after the reformation.

How about reading the Hamas and Palestinian Authority"s charters and see what they have planned for Israel. You'll like it.

 

[alang1216]

How about reading the Hamas and Palestinian Authority"s charters and see what they have planned for Israel. You'll like it.

I very much doubt I'll like it. I doubt I'll like what Israel has planned for Hamas and Palestinian Authority very much either. I don't think this is so much a religious war as it is about politics, power, and control and of territory.

 

[Lastamender]

Many groups, not just Muslims, view assimilation as genocide

Name those groups and point out the ones plotting and carrying out terror attacks.

There is an orthodox Jewish sect in upstate NY that has moved so many members to a small that they have taken control and enacted very unpopular laws.

Who have they terrorized?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Invalidity Of Vagaries In Language "

* Prophetic Profiteering *

So you get to give the proper interpretation of the Bible and the Quran? Quite a lofty position you have.

You have no idea .

* Missing Definition Of Illegitimate Aggression *

Are you saying the conversion of others should be considered legitimate aggression? Does that apply to both the Muslim conquests of North Africa and the Christian conquests of North America?

Illegitimate aggressions are threats or acts of force against the core principles of individualism - the core principles of individualism being self ownership ( free roam , free association , progeny ) and self determination ( private property , willful intents ) .

Most have been told that one is responsible for controlling their own behavior , in spite of how others behave .

If one commits violence in response to actions that are not illegitimate aggression , the one not committing illegitimate aggression is not to blame .

Your assessment is consistent with granting credence to fictional ishmaelism i slam adherents to attack others for such things as free speech , for blasphemy , for apostasy , for forced conversions , etc . , and purporting to call it fate ( caliphate ) , because might makes reich .

 

[Lastamender]

In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.

Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.

In Islam, Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" and accorded respect and privileges in the Quran itself. Both Jews and Christians have had their periods of sectarian violence. One Jewish victim figures prominently in the NT. Christians killed one another over religious differences for decades after the reformation.

None of that excuses the hate Islam teaches. And the privileges for Jews and Christians are dhimmitude where they are to be subdued and humiliated. You are using novice level apologies.

After he had subdued all of the kafirs in Medina, Mohammed attacked the Jews of Khaybar. By now he realized that you could make more money from a live kafir than from a dead one. Kafirs can be enslaved, but the slave option has a disadvantage. Slaves have to be managed and be near at hand. So Mohammed created the dhimmi. The dhimmi agrees to live in a world that is dominated by Islam in all public areas. A dhimmi is free from Islam only in his own home. Law, customs, art, education, the media, government, speech and every thing in public space is Islamic. In addition, the dhimmi has to pay a tax to Islam called the jizya tax. In Khaybar the jizya tax was 50%.

The key psychological technique is that the dhimmi is to be humiliated in all possible ways. In effect, the dhimmi is halfway between freedom and slavery, a semi-slave.

The Two Kinds of Dhimmis - Political Islam

The insults, humiliations and taxes wore the dhimmis down. What happened over time was that the dhimmis converted to Islam. It was easier to avoid all this pain and become a Muslim.

 

[Lastamender]

The honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.
Sufi saint Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624), letter No. 163

Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Dhimmitude - WikiIslam

 

[badger2]

Some of the Islamic State's pathologies are recorded here:

'Significantly, the term used by the courts is not freedom of religion (hurriyat al-din) but freedom of conviction, or faith (hurriyat al-i 'tiqad). Egyptian courts have consistently limited freedom of conviction to the inner forum -- that is to say, a space authorities would not be able to control anyway. Thus the Supreme Constitutional Court ruled in 1975 that "freedom of religion is not absolute and that the manifestation of religious beliefs must be subject to and considered in relation to public order, morals and values." In accordance with this ruling, the state has restricted (public [italics]) expression of faith in a variety of manners: it reserves freedom of public religious practice to monotheists in possession of a book of revelation, that is, Muslims, Jews, and Christians (the "heavenly religions," al-adyan al-samawiyya), and it discriminates against the non-Sunni Muslims, such as the Shi'a and the Ahmadiyya or Qadyaniyya (the latter are not even recognized as Muslims by the overwhelming majority of Egyptian religious scholars), as well as against post-Qur'anic religious communities that are not recognized as belonging to the family of "heavenly religions," such as Baha'is, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Mormons. In the case of Baha'is, Jehovah's Witnesses, and also the Freemasons, discrimination is not just a matter of belief; in the 1960's they were accused of Zionism and banned. As most of the foreign Christian churches as well as the Baha'is engage in missionary work among local Christians, the Coptic Orthodox Church has consistently endorsed officials polices of discrimination and non-toleration. Citizens are obliged to enter their religious affiliation in all official documents of identification, even if the community concerned has been denied legal recognition. Religious affiliation is not just a matter of identity but of citizenship, and is not a private affair unless one classifies access to public functions and services as well as personal status law as "private" (which they clearly are not). Egypt practices what has been called "limited legal pluralism: the courts are unified but follow the personality principle in certain areas of personal status law, while in others they apply Islamic law to Muslims and non-Muslims alike, highlighting the uneasy juxtaposition of toleration, legal recognition, and hierarchy (hegemony) characteristic of pre-modern Muslim polities. Matters are further complicated by the fact that Islamic personal status has not been unified in one code but is found in a number of laws.
....
In an oblique manner, it also denies Muslims the right to change their religious affiliation. The latter occurs especially in the context of marriage and inheritance, and mostly fo causes unrelated to religious conviction....Apostasy literally implies the the apostate's civil death: it renders his or her marriage null and void (batil); it bars him or her from entering a new marriage; and it excludes him or her from inheritance of Muslims and well as non-Muslims.'
(Kraemer G, Piety, Politics, and Identity, in A Secular Age Beyond the West)

 

[ESay]

None of that excuses the hate Islam teaches. And the privileges for Jews and Christians are dhimmitude where they are to be subdued and humiliated. You are using novice level apologies.

Nonetheless, it was Islamic lands in the Middle East where Christians and Jews lived for centuries, and some communities even thrived under their rule. Islamic Spain can also be included in this category. Also, communities of Zoroastrians, Mandeans and Ezids also managed to survive, though they are not the people of the book.
You can't say the same about so called Christian Europe, where Jews were expelled from the Western Europe. And read something about the Cathars for example to realize how peaceful so called Christianity was.

 

[alang1216]

In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.

Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.

In Islam, Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" and accorded respect and privileges in the Quran itself. Both Jews and Christians have had their periods of sectarian violence. One Jewish victim figures prominently in the NT. Christians killed one another over religious differences for decades after the reformation.

None of that excuses the hate Islam teaches. And the privileges for Jews and Christians are dhimmitude where they are to be subdued and humiliated. You are using novice level apologies.

After he had subdued all of the kafirs in Medina, Mohammed attacked the Jews of Khaybar. By now he realized that you could make more money from a live kafir than from a dead one. Kafirs can be enslaved, but the slave option has a disadvantage. Slaves have to be managed and be near at hand. So Mohammed created the dhimmi. The dhimmi agrees to live in a world that is dominated by Islam in all public areas. A dhimmi is free from Islam only in his own home. Law, customs, art, education, the media, government, speech and every thing in public space is Islamic. In addition, the dhimmi has to pay a tax to Islam called the jizya tax. In Khaybar the jizya tax was 50%.

The key psychological technique is that the dhimmi is to be humiliated in all possible ways. In effect, the dhimmi is halfway between freedom and slavery, a semi-slave.

The Two Kinds of Dhimmis - Political Islam

The insults, humiliations and taxes wore the dhimmis down. What happened over time was that the dhimmis converted to Islam. It was easier to avoid all this pain and become a Muslim.

If you want to compare Islam today with Christianity today you shouldn't be talking about dhimmis since no Islamic country on earth currently imposes the jizyah. I guess Islam can change after all.

 

[irosie91]

In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.

Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.

In Islam, Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" and accorded respect and privileges in the Quran itself. Both Jews and Christians have had their periods of sectarian violence. One Jewish victim figures prominently in the NT. Christians killed one another over religious differences for decades after the reformation.

None of that excuses the hate Islam teaches. And the privileges for Jews and Christians are dhimmitude where they are to be subdued and humiliated. You are using novice level apologies.

After he had subdued all of the kafirs in Medina, Mohammed attacked the Jews of Khaybar. By now he realized that you could make more money from a live kafir than from a dead one. Kafirs can be enslaved, but the slave option has a disadvantage. Slaves have to be managed and be near at hand. So Mohammed created the dhimmi. The dhimmi agrees to live in a world that is dominated by Islam in all public areas. A dhimmi is free from Islam only in his own home. Law, customs, art, education, the media, government, speech and every thing in public space is Islamic. In addition, the dhimmi has to pay a tax to Islam called the jizya tax. In Khaybar the jizya tax was 50%.

The key psychological technique is that the dhimmi is to be humiliated in all possible ways. In effect, the dhimmi is halfway between freedom and slavery, a semi-slave.

The Two Kinds of Dhimmis - Political Islam

The insults, humiliations and taxes wore the dhimmis down. What happened over time was that the dhimmis converted to Islam. It was easier to avoid all this pain and become a Muslim.

If you want to compare Islam today with Christianity today you shouldn't be talking about dhimmis since no Islamic country on earth currently imposes the jizyah. I guess Islam can change after all.

not true-----in fact many muslim countries employ ELEMENTS of the filth of
dhimmia-------- Yemen uses the ENTIRE PILE OF SHARIAH DOG SHIT.
A few years ago-----a non muslim male was convicted of MARRYING a muslim woman-----in the Islamic shit hole IRAN----and sentenced to death-------this move
represented elements of dhimmia-----Jizya is not the WHOLE ISSUE. Christians in Egypt have been prosecuted CRIMINALLY for building churches. Then there
is Pakistan-----in which a non muslim can be prosecuted for touching a Koran---or drinking from a cup "meant" only for muslims

 

[irosie91]

None of that excuses the hate Islam teaches. And the privileges for Jews and Christians are dhimmitude where they are to be subdued and humiliated. You are using novice level apologies.

Nonetheless, it was Islamic lands in the Middle East where Christians and Jews lived for centuries, and some communities even thrived under their rule. Islamic Spain can also be included in this category. Also, communities of Zoroastrians, Mandeans and Ezids also managed to survive, though they are not the people of the book.
You can't say the same about so called Christian Europe, where Jews were expelled from the Western Europe. And read something about the Cathars for example to realize how peaceful so called Christianity was.

"MANAGED TO SURVIVE" ----is good enough for both Esay and Alang. to
PROVE non-oppression and equity. For the record-----jewish communities
MANAGED to survive a lot better Europe both west east and parts of South east Asia than they did in the classic shariah shit holes. For those who do not know---
be a witness to classic khutbah jumaat bullcrap. Keep in mind----any community
that "MANAGES TO SURVIVE" centuries has lost all right to complain of non-equity
of south west asia, Africa and Iberia

 

[irosie91]

Many groups, not just Muslims, view assimilation as genocide

Name those groups and point out the ones plotting and carrying out terror attacks.

There is an orthodox Jewish sect in upstate NY that has moved so many members to a small that they have taken control and enacted very unpopular laws.

Who have they terrorized?

I would be interested to know about the "unpopular laws" imposed by a jewish sect
in upstate NY