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All of that's Fine, Assuming you are Correct for the Sake of Argument, but Islamic Countries, with Islamic Laws, are doing EXACTLY what I have Illustrated...
I don't have to Debate the Quran to Know what Islamic Countries are doing in Practice.
Try again.
peace...
it should be noted that the Islamic Republic is not led by secular bureaucrats who simply talk about religion...
Khomeini was a well-known quranic scholar, and many of the elite in the regime are also very high ranking scholars of Islam... for them to implements these laws arbitrarily does not seem logical
, Fatima (may Allah be pleased with her), and the 12 Imams are completely immune to error. Clearly, the assumption of infallibility should not be made by any upright Muslim except in the case of Muhammad's recitation, the Qur'an. Therefore, a number of laws, injunctions, and theological doctrines of Twelver Shi'ism are rooted wholly in tradition or past rulings and have absolutely no Qur'anic basis. This is bid'ah. Twelvers such as those in Iran's ruling regime also rely on the supposedly infallible Qur'anic interpretations put forth by imams rather than their own logic. 
All of that's Fine, Assuming you are Correct for the Sake of Argument, but Islamic Countries, with Islamic Laws, are doing EXACTLY what I have Illustrated...
I don't have to Debate the Quran to Know what Islamic Countries are doing in Practice.
Try again.
peace...
As I've said, you cannot extrapolate accurate information about the Islamic religion solely from the actions of those who claim to adhere to it. Attempting to do so is illogical.
it should be noted that the Islamic Republic is not led by secular bureaucrats who simply talk about religion...
Khomeini was a well-known quranic scholar, and many of the elite in the regime are also very high ranking scholars of Islam... for them to implements these laws arbitrarily does not seem logical
They're adherents of Twelver Shi'ism. While a number of my friends are Twelvers and I respect them and their beliefs, the ideology is fundamentally flawed. For one thing, it's based on the assumption that Muhammad (ﷺ
Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that all of Iran's leaders are sincere in their religious beliefs. Power corrupts, and I have every reason to think that many of them are interested only in benefiting themselves and keeping the current, illegitimate regime in power.
If you don't mind your position being illogical.I Certainly can...
ok, I see your point... I also agree that many of the mulllahs are enriching themselves, and many mullahs are opposed to the government
I have a fundamental opposition to Islam, but I could very well live with it if what you're saying is the way it was interpreted
I'm against theocracy, not Islam
I have a fundamental opposition to Islam
ok, I see your point... I also agree that many of the mulllahs are enriching themselves, and many mullahs are opposed to the government
I have a fundamental opposition to Islam, but I could very well live with it if what you're saying is the way it was interpreted
It will be, in sha' Allah.
One question, though:
I'm against theocracy, not IslamI have a fundamental opposition to Islam
Which is it?
Doesn't that suggest aversion towards self-determination on your part? If such a high percentage of my countrymen were committed to a system of government that I disliked, I'd probably go somewhere else and let them do as they wished.I do not tolerate theocracy... if 99% of the people want a theocracy in my country, screw them... no theocracy, now way, no how. I will not accept it.
Every knowledgeable person is bound to feel some sort of attraction towards Islam at some point in their life. It's the ideal system for mankind.Islam I have a opposition to, and would never practice it (well I have considered it when younger, but not any more)
That doesn't surprise me. Muslim women tend not to marry outside of the religion.and I would not marry a muslim woman (I have had the chance, and the religion was the issue).
Rest assured, I have no interest in killing you...But i'm not going to forcefully convert or bomb muslims for the sake of ending the religion. If hey leave me alone with my creed (i.e. do not try to kill me because my mother was muslim and I am not) then good, I will not trample on the beliefs of consenting adults.
I don't think that non-believers would take issue with living in a truly Islamic society, so long as they weren't interested in acting hostilely towards Muslims.Sharia law, however, is in my opinion part of theocracy... and you can understand how I would be opposed to the lack of separation between religion and state inherent in Islam
The International Herald Tribune reported:
The Iranian government confirmed Tuesday that a man was executed by stoning last week for committing adultery, and said that 20 more men would be executed in the coming days on morality violations.
A judiciary spokesman, Alireza Jamshidi, told reporters on Tuesday that a death sentence by stoning had been carried out last week near the city of Takestan, west of Tehran, despite an order by the chief of the judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Shahroudi, not to permit such executions.
"The verdict was final, and so it was carried out for the man but not for the woman," the ISNA news agency quoted Jamshidi as saying.
He said the 20 additional executions were for such things as "rape, insulting religious sanctities and laws, and homosexuality." Most executions in Iran are hangings, often in public and at the scenes of the alleged crimes.
The police arrested about 1,000 people in May during a so-called morality crackdown. Jamshidi said 15 more men were being tried on similar charges and could receive death sentences.
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Well?...
peace...
Doesn't that suggest aversion towards self-determination on your part? If such a high percentage of my countrymen were committed to a system of government that I disliked, I'd probably go somewhere else and let them do as they wished.I do not tolerate theocracy... if 99% of the people want a theocracy in my country, screw them... no theocracy, now way, no how. I will not accept it.
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The International Herald Tribune reported:
The Iranian government confirmed Tuesday that a man was executed by stoning last week for committing adultery, and said that 20 more men would be executed in the coming days on morality violations.
A judiciary spokesman, Alireza Jamshidi, told reporters on Tuesday that a death sentence by stoning had been carried out last week near the city of Takestan, west of Tehran, despite an order by the chief of the judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Shahroudi, not to permit such executions.
"The verdict was final, and so it was carried out for the man but not for the woman," the ISNA news agency quoted Jamshidi as saying.
He said the 20 additional executions were for such things as "rape, insulting religious sanctities and laws, and homosexuality." Most executions in Iran are hangings, often in public and at the scenes of the alleged crimes.
The police arrested about 1,000 people in May during a so-called morality crackdown. Jamshidi said 15 more men were being tried on similar charges and could receive death sentences.
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Well?...
peace...
It's a backwards Third World thing.
The International Herald Tribune reported:
The Iranian government confirmed Tuesday that a man was executed by stoning last week for committing adultery, and said that 20 more men would be executed in the coming days on morality violations.
A judiciary spokesman, Alireza Jamshidi, told reporters on Tuesday that a death sentence by stoning had been carried out last week near the city of Takestan, west of Tehran, despite an order by the chief of the judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Shahroudi, not to permit such executions.
"The verdict was final, and so it was carried out for the man but not for the woman," the ISNA news agency quoted Jamshidi as saying.
He said the 20 additional executions were for such things as "rape, insulting religious sanctities and laws, and homosexuality." Most executions in Iran are hangings, often in public and at the scenes of the alleged crimes.
The police arrested about 1,000 people in May during a so-called morality crackdown. Jamshidi said 15 more men were being tried on similar charges and could receive death sentences.
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Well?...
peace...
It's a backwards Third World thing.
I would recommend visiting Iran... it's hardly Afghanistan
It's a backwards Third World thing.
I would recommend visiting Iran... it's hardly Afghanistan
It's not Afghanistan, but it's also not the United States, France, or Japan.
I Certainly can... In Practice, in Law and in the Modern Day, Islam is a Barbaric, Backwards, Fucked up, Shithole of a Religion...
And by the way....I think we should leave Iranian laws to the Iranians...............the ones who are still living in Iran.
In answer to the original question: It's an Iranian thing, not an Islam thing. Is it a great law? No. Are there plenty of countries with worse laws? Yes.
