"Is the universe finite or infinite?"

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Is the universe finite or infinite

"Two possiblities exist: either the Universe is finite and has a size, or it's infinite and goes on forever. Both possibilities have mind-bending implications.

In another episode of Guide to Space, we talked: "how big is our Universe". Then I said it all depends on whether the Universe is finite or infinite. I mumbled, did some hand waving, glossed over the mind-bending implications of both possibilities and moved on to whatever snarky sci-cult reference was next because I'm a bad host. I acted like nothing happened and immediately got off the elevator.

So, in the spirit of he who smelled it, dealt it. I'm back to shed my cone of shame and talk big universe. And if the Universe is finite, well, it's finite. You could measure its size with a really long ruler. You could also follow up statements like that with all kinds of crass shenanigans. Sure, it might wrap back on itself in a mindbending shape, like a of monster donut or nerdecahedron, but if our Universe is infinite, all bets are off. It just goes on forever and ever and ever in all directions. And my brain has already begun to melt in anticipation of discussing the implications of an infinite Universe.

Haven't astronomers tried to figure this out? Of course they have, you fragile mortal meat man/woman! They've obsessed over it, and ordered up some of the most powerful sensitive space satellites ever built to answer this question.Astronomers have looked deep at the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation, the afterglow of the Big Bang. So, how would you test this idea just by watching the sky?

Here's how smart they are. They've searched for evidence that features on one side of the sky are connected to features on the other side of the sky, sort of like how the sides of a Risk map connect to each other, or there's wraparound on the PacMan board. And so far, there's no evidence they're connected.

In our hu-man words, this means 13.8 billion light-years in all directions, the Universe doesn't repeat. Light has been travelling towards us for 13.8 billion years this way, and 13.8 billion years that way, and 13.8 billion years that way; and that's just when the light left those regions. The expansion of the Universe has carried them from 47.5 billion light years away. Based on this, our Universe is 93 billion light-years across. That's an "at least" figure. It could be 100 billion light-years, or it could be a trillion light-years. We don't know. Possibly, we can't know. And it just might be infinite. "

Along with the universe, this article goes on forever too. Ha, just kidding, but there's more at link. :)
 
Obviously it's infinite by definition. If it were finite it would have to fit inside something else, and then THAT would be the Universe.
 
Obviously it's infinite by definition. If it were finite it would have to fit inside something else, and then THAT would be the Universe.

If the universe were infinite it'd have to be infinitely old but it isn't.
 
Obviously it's infinite by definition. If it were finite it would have to fit inside something else, and then THAT would be the Universe.

If the universe were infinite it'd have to be infinitely old but it isn't.

I think your information is out dated. Now the cool kids are saying that big bang is not a unique event. Basically, anytime two membranes collide, it results in a big bang. They are saying that big bang is not the beginning of the universe. There have been many big bangs and there going to be many more.
 
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Maybe the universe is not 13 billion light years across. Maybe the universe is only one billion light years across, and light is on it's 13th lap.

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Maybe the universe is not 13 billion light years across. Maybe the universe is only one billion light years across, and light is on it's 13th lap.

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Here's a question. Are stars and galaxies really as far away as scientists think? They claim to know based on red shift. But are they right. Is there any proof that light doesn't slow down while traveling through space? If it does slow down, wouldn't that give the appearance of objects moving away from each other?
 
infinite ..definitely.. infinite
the universe can't be infinite. In order for that to be true, matter and energy would have to be infinite. science tells us that this is not the case.
(Phys.org) —The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

Read more at: No Big Bang Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
 
infinite ..definitely.. infinite
the universe can't be infinite. In order for that to be true, matter and energy would have to be infinite. science tells us that this is not the case.
(Phys.org) —The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

Read more at: No Big Bang Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
the universe couldn't have been around forever for one simple reason. entropy. if the universe was infinitely old there would be no energy left.
 
infinite ..definitely.. infinite
the universe can't be infinite. In order for that to be true, matter and energy would have to be infinite. science tells us that this is not the case.
(Phys.org) —The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

Read more at: No Big Bang Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
the universe couldn't have been around forever for one simple reason. entropy. if the universe was infinitely old there would be no energy left.
Is Dark Energy Creating Infinite Universes?
Scientists at Princeton and Cambridge say that most of the universe is regularly destroyed. It's space-time-twisted into black holes, in fact, which is about as utterly destroyed as you can get without pissing off Zeus. In each destruction cycle only a small seed of habitable space survives, which grows phoenix-like to provide a new universe due to the apparently all-powerful dark matter
 
infinite ..definitely.. infinite
the universe can't be infinite. In order for that to be true, matter and energy would have to be infinite. science tells us that this is not the case.
(Phys.org) —The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

Read more at: No Big Bang Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
the universe couldn't have been around forever for one simple reason. entropy. if the universe was infinitely old there would be no energy left.
Is Dark Energy Creating Infinite Universes?
Scientists at Princeton and Cambridge say that most of the universe is regularly destroyed. It's space-time-twisted into black holes, in fact, which is about as utterly destroyed as you can get without pissing off Zeus. In each destruction cycle only a small seed of habitable space survives, which grows phoenix-like to provide a new universe due to the apparently all-powerful dark matter
scientists say? Don't you mean scientists think?because they really don't know anything.
 
The Universe is Infinite

but


the feeble human mind


can not cope with the concept
 
The Universe is Infinite

but


the feeble human mind


can not cope witht the concept
I say again. The universe cannot be infinite. It would require infinite energy and matter. There are no infinities in nature. They don't exist.
 
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Maybe the universe is not 13 billion light years across. Maybe the universe is only one billion light years across, and light is on it's 13th lap.

.
.
Here's a question. Are stars and galaxies really as far away as scientists think? They claim to know based on red shift. But are they right. Is there any proof that light doesn't slow down while traveling through space? If it does slow down, wouldn't that give the appearance of objects moving away from each other?
School might help solve your riddle. Ever considered?
 

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