Is the old testament to be completely ignored?

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    I'm always curious as to how christians view the old testament. Creationism seems to be very important, which is in the old testament but often times I'm told to only really pay attention to the new testament.

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    Law of Moses is fulfilled. Doesn't mean there isn't alot of good information in the Old Testament. In fact, much of the really good stuff in the New Testament is lost because people dont understand the Old Testament.
     
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    Let me see if I can put this in perspective for those who, like you, are complete ignoramuses about what the Bible actually teaches.

    Paul taught us that, as adults, we put away childish things. He also taught us that the law exists to show us that we are sinners, and that we need the grace of God. The Old testament, and the law therein, exists so that we can learn the requirements of obedience, and the impossible burden it places on us. We cannot earn righteousness through obedience.

    It is quite a bit like the rules you had as a child. Do not talk to strangers, do not cross the street without holding the hand of an adult, do not stay up late, eat everything on your plate, wash your hands before you eat, etc. Now that you are (supposedly) an adult those rules no longer apply to you, but you have no problem imposing them on children. The childhood rules are not ignored, but they do not apply either.

    The Old Testament works the same way. Those laws serve a purpose, so we do not ignore them. We just understand that, as adults, we are not actually bound by them. They are impossible to obey completely, and they were never actually intended to be obeyed, they were intended to keep the people of Israel safe, and to separate them from the nations that surrounded them.

    The intent of the law was to educate and protect, not to curtail and restrict. That is why Jesus took exception to the narrow enforcement of the law, and why he did not enforce strict obedience of it upon his disciples.

    You should not attempt to get your understanding of the Bible by reading the words of people who do not understand it. My suggestion is that you read it for yourself. Anyone who does so with an open mind can see that, despite the problems that are there, it is surprisingly open about the history of Israel, and documents the many mistakes they made. It also offers some very sensible advice on various topics, from dealing with communicable diseases before anyone understood about germs, to interacting as an ambassador for a different way of life.

    Don't be afraid of the Bible. Approach it with an open mind, ask questions, and see that it has more to offer than you think. The worst that can happen is that you will become a believer.
     
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    I ask a question, you reply with a childish insult, then later you invite me to ask questions.

    No, I cannot become a believer until science proves the existence of god, then proves that that god is your specific christian God from the Bible.
     
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    It's a great novel, just like the sequel.
     
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    Pointing out your ignorance is childish?

    Maybe you should grow up. (FYI, that was a childish insult. I hope that in the future you will recognize one when you encounter it.)
     
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    Calling names is childish, had you said "i think you're ignorant on the subject" that'd be another thing.

    I truly wish I was ignorant on the subject, I love to have all the hours,days,weeks of my childhood back that I was force-fed christianity.
     
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    Dear Dr. Drock: The best explanation I've ever heard of the Bible, came from a Buddhist monk of all sources. He said the OT was about living by the letter of the law and the NT was living by the spirit of the law. WOW. Summed it up in one sentence.

    I have since elaborated on that wisdom to explain
    * the OT shows the genocide death and destruction where the letter of the law
    is corrupted by greed for power and control of property and people
    "retributive justice" requires judgment and punishment so this authority gets abused
    politically by controlling or monopolizing authority and knowledge of laws
    this has corrupted both church and state laws
    That is what it means for "Antichrist" to abuse the name of Christ
    For lawless injustice to be committed in the name of law or justice which is Christ Jesus

    * the NT is about living by the spirit of the laws, of truth and love, justice with mercy forgiveness and charity. So Christ Jesus brings RESTORATIVE JUSTICE that breaks the cycle of sin and suffering under retributive justice.

    Then the choice remains to us. Justice is a doubled edged sword, where we reap what we sow, and we get the type of justice we give.

    * We can continue to live by retribution, live and die by the sword, by hanging each other by the letter of the law, abusing it to oppress and punish one while excusing the other, etc.
    Justice without mercy, truth without love, and you see how our world today resembles the OT under this approach to the laws, top down, competition for authority and control.

    * or we can choose to transform our lives, relationships and whole institutions by living by restorative justice which Christ Jesus represents. Forgiving first, in order that we may pursure MUTUAL corrections and restitution TOGETHER to restore good will and good faith relations between neighbors, first, and then whole nations when we do this collectively.
    The truth sets us free from past conflict and strife dividing us like the Devil by selfishness or Satan.

    Instead of fear of the unknown (which Satan represents)
    we seek and live by love of truth (which God represents)

    Instead of fear of change or false control by outside authority (which is Antichrist)
    we live by love of Justice and embody and enforce the laws ourselves by conscience (which is Christ)

    Instead of fear of conflict and confrontation, unforgiveness which escalates conflicts into war, we choose to forgive and receive healing grace for the love of humanity (which is the Holy Spirit).

    We can choose to fall or follow the influences of Satan/Antichrist/FalseProphets that divide and conquer out of ill will instead of good will which is God's will;
    or we can commit our body/mind/spirit to what is good for ourselves and all humanity.
    Collectively, we become one with God/Christ/HolySpirit when all our
    bodies/minds/spirits are joined as one.

    The message in the NT is to fulfill this path or process.
    The OT warns us of the injustice and suffering that occurs if we
    abuse the laws. When we fulfill the spirit of the laws, we meet the
    standards of the letter of the law, so we no longer will invoke the
    negative punishments in the OT. Those laws will still exist.

    It is like the laws about the death penalty or punishments for crimes may remain on the books; but where we live without anger or murder, where we stop any cause of crime or abuse, then the punishments are no longer applied even though the authority remains.

    When we follow the spirit of the laws, both the spirit and the letter are fulfilled.
    Only where we abuse the letter of the law to defy the spirit of the law,
    then both are violated.

    Note: the rest of the Bible is used to guide people through understanding the process, and to work through the spiritual stages, which includes dealing with rebukes and redressing issues or wrongs, seeking healing and restitution to restore relations, so that we achieve spiritual peace and maturity as one body of people under one Law or Lord. We establish the spirit of truth by agreement by conscience or Christ Jesus, and this truth sets us free.
     
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    There are a lot of comments after the article. Check this one out:

     
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    That's pretty much how I view them.
     
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