Discussion in 'Politics' started by hvactec, Feb 12, 2010.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teKllgeRR6E]YouTube - 'Is Secession Legal?' Part II[/ame]
Not since the civil war.
That was pretty much decided in the 1860's.
But hell, I'd love it if the Red states seceded peacefully from the Union... The US would be so much better for it. LOL.
Rebuplicans, Neo-Cons, what say you of this NONSENSE?
Whether it is legal or not, Secession in this day and age is not technically possible. Too many functions are performed at the federal level to allow states to pull away and still function idependently. It would be the equivalent of cutting off your head
Actually it is the abuse of power at the federal level which makes secession so attractive.
As there is nothing in the constitution to BAR secession, it is constitutionally legal despite what the federal government would like to claim; despite the attempt by the Supreme court to modify the Constitution by their ruling in White vs Texas.
What would a state truly need to do if they seceded?
They could let all the Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security recipients go over to the US side of their border.
They would have little need of a military as the only true threat would be the US and the US is currently heavily committed to other theaters. This is not the 19th century when all the power of the Army was focused on the home front.
And of course they would not have any Federal Debt.
Unless their state currently is in debt at the state level.
Good thing Texas has a balanced budget and a surplus.
We even had that during the oil glut of the mid 80's.
Texas conservatism must be doing something right.
What 'abuse of power' specifically? What rights have you, personally, specifically been denied?
The legality of an issue is the purview of the supreme court, barring specific legislation on said issue.
The Supreme Court in no way attempted to "Modify the Constitution", they interpreted the Constitution, which is their job.
On order to make secession "legal" one would have to overturn the prior decision, or make specific legislation to define legal secession.
Since neither of these instances has occurred, secession is illegal, as defined by the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution.
No, they could not, after all that would be illegal immigration. We'd send 'em right back to you.
Unless of course one of several countries decided that the seceded state would be a nice fat target. And the US would have no reason to step in.
Of course they would. The US would just send them a bill for all the funding they received over the past few decades that contributed to the debt.
And it's also right next to Mexico. There's a whole lot of Central and South Americans that would love to gut and loot Texas. Let's see how well ya'll do without the rest of the country. Hmm, maybe you'll become a colony of Venezuela, or Columbia.
And maybe, after a few years of occupation, we'll "Come to your rescue" again, like we did the first time.
You've never been to a Texas gun show have ya?
Texas wants to deport grandma???
And Charles Stuckey is complaining about the existing "abuse of power" ?
We kicked Texas's ass in the 1860's, we can do it again.
Mexico could kick their ass today. Let Texas secede, pull away the US Military and yell to Mexico......Come and get it!
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