Is Russia Now the World's Leading Military Power?

[Dayton3]

If any of that was true then we would be very close to nuclear war.

Why do you say that?

 

[Ringo]

Russia is getting rolled up by Ukraine. It would be like getting rolled up by the Missouri National Guard.

The Ukrainians didn't have the best infantry in the world even in the fall of 2022. It never stormed a single major population center. With a ten to one force ratio, it was pouring into the gaps of the russian heavily discrete and unfortified defenses and forcing them to retreat.

But they had really good infantry, well zombified, unpretentious, better than any american and european. They should sit in defense, but they began to rush them mercilessly to the offensive, where they were killed by russian already well-prepared defensive lines. And they will continue to drive it until there is nothing left of it.

 

[Ringo]

 

[AZrailwhale]

The Ukrainians didn't have the best infantry in the world even in the fall of 2022. It never stormed a single major population center. With a ten to one force ratio, it was pouring into the gaps of the russian heavily discrete and unfortified defenses and forcing them to retreat.

But they had really good infantry, well zombified, unpretentious, better than any american and european. They should sit in defense, but they began to rush them mercilessly to the offensive, where they were killed by russian already well-prepared defensive lines. And they will continue to drive it until there is nothing left of it.

That’s called good tactics. Only an idiot fights in a city by choice. On the offense, you try to penetrates ear points in the defense. What the Ukrainians are being forced to do right now is exactly what the Brits did at El Alamein when they faced German defenses that couldn’t be out flanked, or the Germans did at Kursk.

 

[Ringo]

Sorry, but they aren't as technically advanced militarily as they try to get others to believe. Want examples? If they are so great, then why is Ukraine still holding their own against them?

The example of Gaza finally confirmed what the Americans and their allies mean when they talk about a strong army - the ability to carpet bomb residential neighborhoods without regard for the deaths of civilians, including children
So from their point of view, Russia has a very weak army

 

[Ringo]

 

[AZrailwhale]

One major problem with that dumb statement. The ICC has no jurisdiction over the USA or ANY of its actions.

 

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[Batcat]

https://www.globalpoliticsreview.com/publications/2464-9929_v06_i1-2_p057.pdf

Could it be actually true in a strategic sense?

Or is it redundant to speculate considering that any major conflict will soon turn to a nuclear war?

Still, the question should be asked for a war that is restricted to only conventional weapons.

I've placed this topic here in Military in hopes of a serious discussion that doesn't belong in the Badlands. Moderator cooperation would be appreciated.
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If Russia was actually the most powerful nation in the world today because of its nuclear arsenal, after an all out nuclear war with the United States it would not be the most powerful nation. Russia wouldn’t be much of anything.

Nobody wins an all out nuclear war.

Here's How Bad a Nuclear War Would Actually Be

We know that an all-out U.S.-Russia nuclear war would be bad. But how bad, exactly?

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We obviously don’t know how many people will survive a nuclear war. But if it’s even remotely as bad as this study predicts, it has no winners, merely losers. It’s easy to feel powerless, but the good news is that there issomething you can do to help: please help share this video! The fact that nuclear war is likely to start via gradual escalation, perhaps combined by accident or miscalculation, means that the more people know about nuclear war, the more likely we are to avoid having one.

 

[luiza]

If Russia was actually the most powerful nation in the world today because of its nuclear arsenal, after an all out nuclear war with the United States it would not be the most powerful nation. Russia wouldn’t be much of anything.

Nobody wins an all out nuclear war.

You completely overlook two overriding facts :-

Russian hyper missiles are an estimated decade ahead of US equivalent .
They move in excess of 20 000 mph on a down trajectory and whilst the Kinzhals are in a class of their own, there is also the Avanguard which Moscow has only publicly tested once just to make sure that the Pentagon knows exactly how far inferior their strike force is .
Second .
Russia has been building underground bunkers on a massive scale for many years . The proportion of urban Russians who could use these facililities far exceeds the comparable US figure .

Obviously we all know the hell that would result but presently America could be reduced to dust , whereas the same cannot be said about Russia ..

And US Sheeple have no inkling of this .

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You completely overlook two overriding facts :-

Russian hyper missiles are an estimated decade ahead of US equivalent .
They move in excess of 20 000 mph on a down trajectory and whilst the Kinzhals are in a class of their own, there is also the Avanguard which Moscow has only publicly tested once just to make sure that the Pentagon knows exactly how far inferior their strike force is .
Second .
Russia has been building underground bunkers on a massive scale for many years . The proportion of urban Russians who could use these facililities far exceeds the comparable US figure .

Obviously we all know the hell that would result but presently America could be reduced to dust , whereas the same cannot be said about Russia ..

And US Sheeple have no inkling of this .

retard nuclear war would end russia as well as america thinking it wouldnt is what will lead to it

 

[Deadstick]

One major problem with that dumb statement. The ICC has no jurisdiction over the USA or ANY of its actions.

It doesn't have any over Russia, but that doesn't stop the nauseating double standard bullshit coming out of Washington.

 

[Donald H]

If Russia was actually the most powerful nation in the world today because of its nuclear arsenal, after an all out nuclear war with the United States it would not be the most powerful nation. Russia wouldn’t be much of anything.

Nor would the US.

Nobody wins an all out nuclear war.

Here's How Bad a Nuclear War Would Actually Be

We know that an all-out U.S.-Russia nuclear war would be bad. But how bad, exactly?

time.com

Snip

We obviously don’t know how many people will survive a nuclear war. But if it’s even remotely as bad as this study predicts, it has no winners, merely losers. It’s easy to feel powerless, but the good news is that there issomething you can do to help: please help share this video! The fact that nuclear war is likely to start via gradual escalation, perhaps combined by accident or miscalculation, means that the more people know about nuclear war, the more likely we are to avoid having one.

Which should probably lead us to conclude that neither/none of the nuclear powers will start one. And so we have a sampling of how hostilities will by played out with America's war against Russia, using the Ukraine as America's proxy. Can you imagine a possible conclusion of that way for either side's interests?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Nor would the US.

Which should probably lead us to conclude that neither/none of the nuclear powers will start one. And so we have a sampling of how hostilities will by played out with America's war against Russia, using the Ukraine as America's proxy. Can you imagine a possible conclusion of that way for either side's interests?

actually, a crazy person could start a nuclear war. And we have at least one member here that claims Russia would survive and prosper because they have fallout shelters built.

 

[Donald H]

actually, a crazy person could start a nuclear war.

No. Precautions have been taken that have worked well enough to prevent that from happening for nearly 80 years.

And we have at least one member here that claims Russia would survive and prosper because they have fallout shelters built.

We are in an era that is experimenting with conventional war by America with competing superpowers, but the success of that tactic has still not been determined.

America is still a long way from escalating to the point of it becoming risky.

If fact, both Russia and China are demonstrating practically full immunity to all US attempts on making any gains. The US sanctions against Russia have failed and are producing positive outcomes for Russia.

Has America made any gains out of it's efforts to destroy Russia?

 

[WinterBorn]

Losing to a minor country a fraction of their size and you post this LOL military genius you are not.

Considering Russia has lost 15 to 17 ships to a nation with no navy, I think they are not the leading military power.

 

[Batcat]

Nor would the US.

Which should probably lead us to conclude that neither/none of the nuclear powers will start one. And so we have a sampling of how hostilities will by played out with America's war against Russia, using the Ukraine as America's proxy. Can you imagine a possible conclusion of that way for either side's interests?

As I said, nobody wins an all out nuclear war.

As long as control of the nuclear weapons is in the hands of sane people we should be able to avoid a nuclear war. If nuclear weapons are controlled by people with serious mental issues or people who harbor certain religious beliefs about the end times, all bets are off.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

As I said, nobody wins an all out nuclear war.

As long as control of the nuclear weapons is in the hands of sane people we should be able to avoid a nuclear war. If nuclear weapons are controlled by people with serious mental issues or people who harbor certain religious beliefs about the end times, all bets are off.

you mean like Iran? Obama and Biden have tried really hard to get nukes for Iran.

 

[Batcat]

You completely overlook two overriding facts :-

Russian hyper missiles are an estimated decade ahead of US equivalent .
They move in excess of 20 000 mph on a down trajectory and whilst the Kinzhals are in a class of their own, there is also the Avanguard which Moscow has only publicly tested once just to make sure that the Pentagon knows exactly how far inferior their strike force is .
Second .
Russia has been building underground bunkers on a massive scale for many years . The proportion of urban Russians who could use these facililities far exceeds the comparable US figure .

Obviously we all know the hell that would result but presently America could be reduced to dust , whereas the same cannot be said about Russia ..

And US Sheeple have no inkling of this .

Never forget the Trident subs linking in the seas. Russia can hit the United States quickly but unless you can intercept the retaliation from the boomers you will not have much of a nation to return to when you leave your shelter. Plus the nuclear winter could last for years making feeding the survivors difficult.

 

[Batcat]

you mean like Iran? Obama and Biden have tried really hard to get nukes for Iran.

Yes, I do mean Iran.

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