loosecannon
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- May 7, 2007
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I suspect Obama is gaming Obama.
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I suspect Obama is gaming Obama.
You probably misunderstood him.Ask Obama. He mentioned in his speech the need to resolve this now before the new congress is seated fearing that an enduring debate would weaken his position and that of the dems to clear passage.
I believe he may have been talking about writing new legislation for a middle class tax cut, and how difficult that would be to get done, while retroactively helping the people who will be hit with a tax increase on Jan 1.You probably misunderstood him.Ask Obama. He mentioned in his speech the need to resolve this now before the new congress is seated fearing that an enduring debate would weaken his position and that of the dems to clear passage.
I don't think so.
I believe he may have been talking about writing new legislation for a middle class tax cut, and how difficult that would be to get done, while retroactively helping the people who will be hit with a tax increase on Jan 1.You probably misunderstood him.
I don't think so.
We were talking about the Bush Tax Cuts.I believe he may have been talking about writing new legislation for a middle class tax cut, and how difficult that would be to get done, while retroactively helping the people who will be hit with a tax increase on Jan 1.I don't think so.
he was speaking about the preservation of the tax cuts he instituted as part of the stimulus bill and of the unemployment extensions.
I think Obama is going for broke. If he can't win or even run in 2012 he doesn't mind sacrificing himself to preserve his party.
But if he wins, he wins big.
At this point Obama wins big against everyone except Romney. And even then he still wins. But what he is assuring is a near bullet proof candidacy.
at this point Obama may not have the support of his party for a second term. imo.
But what does Obama really need politically to change that?
1) he needs to saddle the GOP with responsibility for the deficit and the economy
2) see #1
We were talking about the Bush Tax Cuts.I believe he may have been talking about writing new legislation for a middle class tax cut, and how difficult that would be to get done, while retroactively helping the people who will be hit with a tax increase on Jan 1.
he was speaking about the preservation of the tax cuts he instituted as part of the stimulus bill and of the unemployment extensions.
I think you've made an accurate and logical assessment which I agree 100% with. And your Trojan Horse metaphor is right on.I get the distinct feeling that Obama's compromise with the repubs over tax cut extensions etc is a Trojan horse.
He may be instead setting up a scenario to rescue the dem party from the dump heap of history at his own expense.
If the dems refuse the deal and if the compromise is as unpopular as it appears now then the GOP may be saddled with an election issue that they can't overcome.
All the GOP would have to do is hold their ground until January and pass it anyway against Dem objection to seal their fate as the party of rich millionaires who don't give a damned about main street and who only care about their own estates.
In any case if the dems finally stand up and take this to the wall the GOP is cutting their own throats by supporting the tax cut extension.
You gotta wonder because even the compromise only extends the cuts two years, and by then unemployment extensions will have ended, making this topic red hot and fresh news just in time for the election in 2012.
If the economy still sucks, and it will, the GOP will own the miserable economy on the eve of the election and they will have completely surrendered any claim to fiscal responsibility or concern over the deficit.
"The Republican Party is the party of the rich. It always has been and it always will be."I get the distinct feeling that Obama's compromise with the repubs over tax cut extensions etc is a Trojan horse.
He may be instead setting up a scenario to rescue the dem party from the dump heap of history at his own expense.
If the dems refuse the deal and if the compromise is as unpopular as it appears now then the GOP may be saddled with an election issue that they can't overcome.
All the GOP would have to do is hold their ground until January and pass it anyway against Dem objection to seal their fate as the party of rich millionaires who don't give a damned about main street and who only care about their own estates.
In any case if the dems finally stand up and take this to the wall the GOP is cutting their own throats by supporting the tax cut extension.
You gotta wonder because even the compromise only extends the cuts two years, and by then unemployment extensions will have ended, making this topic red hot and fresh news just in time for the election in 2012.
If the economy still sucks, and it will, the GOP will own the miserable economy on the eve of the election and they will have completely surrendered any claim to fiscal responsibility or concern over the deficit.
I get the distinct feeling that Obama's compromise with the repubs over tax cut extensions etc is a Trojan horse.
He may be instead setting up a scenario to rescue the dem party from the dump heap of history at his own expense.
If the dems refuse the deal and if the compromise is as unpopular as it appears now then the GOP may be saddled with an election issue that they can't overcome.
All the GOP would have to do is hold their ground until January and pass it anyway against Dem objection to seal their fate as the party of rich millionaires who don't give a damned about main street and who only care about their own estates.
In any case if the dems finally stand up and take this to the wall the GOP is cutting their own throats by supporting the tax cut extension.
You gotta wonder because even the compromise only extends the cuts two years, and by then unemployment extensions will have ended, making this topic red hot and fresh news just in time for the election in 2012.
If the economy still sucks, and it will, the GOP will own the miserable economy on the eve of the election and they will have completely surrendered any claim to fiscal responsibility or concern over the deficit.
It is pretty funny to see the establishment GOP already plucking the feathers off the supposed fiscal hawks of the Tea Party.
I think you've made an accurate and logical assessment which I agree 100% with. And your Trojan Horse metaphor is right on.I get the distinct feeling that Obama's compromise with the repubs over tax cut extensions etc is a Trojan horse.
He may be instead setting up a scenario to rescue the dem party from the dump heap of history at his own expense.
If the dems refuse the deal and if the compromise is as unpopular as it appears now then the GOP may be saddled with an election issue that they can't overcome.
All the GOP would have to do is hold their ground until January and pass it anyway against Dem objection to seal their fate as the party of rich millionaires who don't give a damned about main street and who only care about their own estates.
In any case if the dems finally stand up and take this to the wall the GOP is cutting their own throats by supporting the tax cut extension.
You gotta wonder because even the compromise only extends the cuts two years, and by then unemployment extensions will have ended, making this topic red hot and fresh news just in time for the election in 2012.
If the economy still sucks, and it will, the GOP will own the miserable economy on the eve of the election and they will have completely surrendered any claim to fiscal responsibility or concern over the deficit.
I'm embarrassed to admit that I'd simply accepted the reports that Candidate Obama's impressive war chest was comprised of small donations from "little people." But today, when a caller to Thom Hartmann's program said he didn't believe that a light went on in my head and the answer to a few troubling questions, such as why Obama appointed Paulson, Geithner and Summers, and why he's retained the infrastructure of the Bush Administration, and why he's quietly worked to prevent prosecution of the Bush Crime Family, suddenly became clear. He is a goddam Trojan Horse inside which are the bankers, the Wall Streeters and representatives of the corporatist power structure -- the real source of all the money he supposedly raised from "small donations."
I believe he failed in his most important mission which was to enable extension of the upper income tax cuts. But thankfully the Democrats have refused to go along with his sneaky maneuver and I'm hoping that now the covers will start coming off this phony sonofabitch and we will see him for what he really is.
Revisit post #17. I was responding to the bolded, which was about the Bush Tax Cuts.We were talking about the Bush Tax Cuts.he was speaking about the preservation of the tax cuts he instituted as part of the stimulus bill and of the unemployment extensions.
We were talking about Obama's compromise with the GOP over the Bush tax cuts, Obama's stimulus tax cuts, unemployment extensions etc.