Is Bush misdiagnosing the malady?

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    This from Pat Buchanan:

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42777

     
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    I don't think that's Buchanan's point - He's not excusing Bin Laden at all. But he IS pointing out that Bin Laden was NOT attacking our "freedom". The attack was retaliation for our foreign policy. This is irrefutable.

    His second point is that how do we *know* that democracy will function better in the middle east? We don't. Let's hope for our sake it does.


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    Since we don't know, we shouldn't do anything?
     
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    That sounds amazingly like the stand on abortion that CL is do adamantly against
     
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    You mean should we despotically overthrow governments and "install" democracies in these societies at our whim? I don't know that this is sound foreign policy.


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    Huh?


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    answer the question. doing nothing is what led to all this crap. defending Israel, a nation that formed under the guidelines of the UN got us attacked. So you are saying that we should just keep turning the other cheek and do nothing? Just keep take'n it in the rear and hope that some day they stop?

    Really, what do you recommend oh mighty and all knowing?
     
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    Also, how does one "install" a democracy? Isn't that an oxymoron? If the people don't want a democracy, they will vote against one and form a theocracy or whatever they want. We provided them with the opportunity to DECIDE if they want a democracy or not.
     
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    I'm not certain that defending Israel - a nation with their own abuses and expansionist policies - is in our best interest.

    However, that's NOT what I'm getting at.

    It depends on what "doing nothing" you mean. Yes, we should have done ALOT to preemptively remove bin Laden and the government that harbored him (Talaban). But this does not translate to Iraq.

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    We should not defend a nation that is trying to protect themselves from constant attack? A country that was formed BY/WITH THE UNITED NATIONS?

    OBL, Saddam, everybody said that our defense of Israel is what has led to their attacks on us. So are you honestly suggesting that we should turn our backs on Israel? If so, fine. But then what? When they are attacked by the Islamic world and the Islamic world begins their genocide of the Israeli people are we supposed to just sit on the sidelines and watch?

    Even if we got rid of OBL today, do you suggest that all attacks against the US would stop?
     

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