Is banning same-sex marriage fair?

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    All this discussion about the prop 8 ruling got me thinking about this from a very simple perspective. Is it fair to deny marriage to same-sex couples?

    If you can, for the purposes of this discussion please do not introduce any arguments related to the Constitution, rights, or anything else of a legal nature.

    It's a very simple philosophical question:

    Is it fair to deny marriage to same-sex couples?

    Why? Why not?



    PS: Please know that declaring fair ain't got nothin' to do with it may contain some truth, but also betrays the author's implicit belief that it is not fair.
     
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    manifold, dear, if we are to ignore constitutional, legal, rights-based discussions in addressing the Op....perhaps you can tell me what is left?

    Applying the "all I need to know I learned in kindergarten" standard...no, it is not fair to deny the status of married people to gays. There is no rational basis for it, no one else's rights are impaired, and it hurts them.

    Sorry, I said "rights". I can't get any closer to what you may want here.
     
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    I think it depends on if a person views it as two people being joined under God. In that case, couples would find a church who supported that, but would some then complain about the churches who don't?? I used to think that if we had civil unions for legality purposes, and marriages for religious institutions, then everyone would be happy. Now I think people from both sides would complain no matter what.
     
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    All the debate is about a state's position on same sex marriage. What churches want to do about sanctifying same sex marriage is up to the governing body of that church, not the government.

    That being said, once we accept what marriage is in the eyes of the state, we would most certainly have to agree that it is not fair to deny same sex couples the protections and benefits of marriage.

    The state sees marriage as a contract. The state even has special courts to dissolve that contract. If a contract affords the parties entering that contract certain benefits and rights, why would it be 'fair' to deny all of the citizens of a state the access to those benefits and rights?
     
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    No. No one should ever be able to tell another person who they should marry.
     
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    Not any more unfair than it is to deny a single person all the rights and benfits that the state gives to married people.
     
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    As a single person, I would disagree. The benefits of marriage include, but are not limited to, access to a spouse's health care benefits. I should not be allowed to abuse my health care provider by enrolling a live-in girlfriend. Another benefit of marriage is a tax-free assumption of property upon the death of a spouse. When two folks are married and one dies, the property transfer to the surviving spouse is seamless. A single person's estate could wind up in probate court for months or years if they die without a valid will.
     
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    Is it "same sex marriage" or "gay marriage" we're talking about? Personally, I'm not bothered by "gay marriage," there are bigger things to worry about, in my opinion. Now, if we're defining it simply as "same sex marriage," I ask you...

    Does this mean two heterosexual men or women can marry?
     
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    Bromance. :lol:
     
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    Why should a significant other be denied health care benefits ? If you are aware of estate laws get a valid will. A much cleaner way of transferring property than getting married.
     

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