Iranians Shrug Off Obama - America Soon To Follow?

[Nik]

must be that liberal moonbat theology at work
remember, they always know whats best for you and how to best spend the money you earn

amazing how you think you know everything about me.

Consistency fail...yet again. Man...you really, really suck at this.

no, you suck at this
just where did i say i know anything about YOU in specific?
i didnt
thats why i see you as a fucking moron
you jump to conclusions not supported by what i said

See the bolded parts, sonny.

 

[rayboyusmc]

must be that liberal moonbat theology at work
remember, they always know whats best for you and how to best spend the money you earn

Oh, conseravtives don't know what's best for all of US? Hmmm, could have sworn theyhave their own agenda to shove up our arses just like the far left.

Compassionate conservatism is a lie.

 

[MaggieMae]

You asked who did that. I gave you an answer. You should be convinced unless you are even more of a dishonest shithead than I previously thought.

And do tell what it being from the huffington post has to do with anything?

Hey, unless it comes from Fox, Drudge, Limbaugh & Co., or one of their own right-wing blog sites, it must be a lie. Notice how gleefully the OP was citing the <gasp> New York Times!! And they try to tell us it's not about Obama when they can't WAIT to post information justifying that Obama made no difference in the Iran election.

I don't watch Fox and don't listen to Limbaugh. But this tool expects me to take something from huffington Post about republicans seriously.

The Huffington Post has as much credibility as The Drudge Report. Neither tells outright lies; they simply have different slants.

 

[MaggieMae]

You asked who did that. I gave you an answer. You should be convinced unless you are even more of a dishonest shithead than I previously thought.

And do tell what it being from the huffington post has to do with anything?

that shows again, how fucking koronic and braindead you are

first off because NEOCONS are NOT right wing by any means
they are moderate to LIBERAL

True - JFK was a NEOCON.

Sure, forty years ago, before the term and the agenda was hijacked by the NEW "neocons." There are no Democrats among them now, and they most certainly ARE "right-wing" to the point that they pulled the strings of the Bush Administration.

You don't have to take Wikipedia's analysis; the same basic history of neoconservatism can be found in hundreds of other places.

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries. Unlike traditional conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a minimally-bureaucratic welfare state; and, while generally supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.

The term neoconservative, first coined at least as early as 1921, was used at one time as a criticism against liberals who had "moved to the right". Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the current sense of the term neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy. According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about." The term "neoconservative" was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.

The first major neoconservative to embrace the term, Irving Kristol, is considered a founder of the neoconservative movement. Kristol wrote of his neoconservative views in the 1979 article "Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed 'Neoconservative.' His ideas had been influential since the 1950s, when he co-founded and edited Encounter magazine. Another source was Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine from 1960 to 1995. By 1982 Podhoretz was calling himself a neoconservative, in a New York Times Magazine article titled "The Neoconservative Anguish over Reagan's Foreign Policy". Kristol's son, William Kristol, founded the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

 

[MaggieMae]

BUT, you will take seriously the lead article which identifies NO author or provides a link to a NYT article?

Never said I took it seriously. I said Obama has no impact on the final outcome of the election, and that anyone who thinks so is being silly, and for that, I get accused of supporting our enemies. doesn't fly.

I didn't say you support our enemies...so address the person that accused you...

Neocon Daniel Pipe saying he would vote for Ahmadinejad at a Middle East Forum at the Heritage Foundation has nothing to do with the Huffington Post...

You being oblivious to WHO said it and WHERE he said it makes my accusation one of a lack of awareness...(a nice way of calling you a pea brain)

Mousavi ran on a platform of "change" and "hope". AND we've seen large public crowds of support absent in Iran for 30 years...

Hmmmmm....

If Iran were a true democracy, probably Mousavi wouldn't have been in the running. He was "chosen" as Achmedinijad's opposition by the Grand Ayatollah. But he's basically the lesser of two evils, which says volumes about Ach's popularity.

 

[MaggieMae]

Never said I took it seriously. I said Obama has no impact on the final outcome of the election, and that anyone who thinks so is being silly, and for that, I get accused of supporting our enemies. doesn't fly.

I didn't say you support our enemies...so address the person that accused you...

Neocon Daniel Pipe saying he would vote for Ahmadinejad at a Middle East Forum at the Heritage Foundation has nothing to do with the Huffington Post...

You being oblivious to WHO said it and WHERE he said it makes my accusation one of a lack of awareness...(a nice way of calling you a pea brain)

Mousavi ran on a platform of "change" and "hope". AND we've seen large public crowds of support absent in Iran for 30 years...

Hmmmmm....

It has everything to do with the Huntington Post. The headline in the H-post says that neocons are rooting for our enemies. they back that up by saying that TWO count em TWO neocons made that statement. So now that trash-whore Maggie says everyone who KNEW obama's speeches would have zero impact on the outcome of the election is supporting our enemies.
Mousavi uses Obama's words, therefore Obama made a difference. Obamabot (nice way of calling you Obama's bitch.)

Why does any woman who opposes your simplistic opinions need to be called a **** or a whore? What do those definitions have to do with politics?

 

[MaggieMae]

I didn't say you support our enemies...so address the person that accused you...

Neocon Daniel Pipe saying he would vote for Ahmadinejad at a Middle East Forum at the Heritage Foundation has nothing to do with the Huffington Post...

You being oblivious to WHO said it and WHERE he said it makes my accusation one of a lack of awareness...(a nice way of calling you a pea brain)

Mousavi ran on a platform of "change" and "hope". AND we've seen large public crowds of support absent in Iran for 30 years...

Hmmmmm....

It has everything to do with the Huntington Post. The headline in the H-post says that neocons are rooting for our enemies. they back that up by saying that TWO count em TWO neocons made that statement. So now that trash-whore Maggie says everyone who KNEW obama's speeches would have zero impact on the outcome of the election is supporting our enemies.
Mousavi uses Obama's words, therefore Obama made a difference. dumb fuck.

Shall we continue this dance?

 

[MaggieMae]

Sinatra...JFK was NO neocon...

My friend Jim says otherwise...

American Thinker: JFK, neo-con.

AMERICAN THINKER? And we get criticized for quoting from the Huffington Post? Please take note, Elvis....

 

[MaggieMae]

Actually, Kennedy's actions went beyond traditional neoconservatism in that his campaign towards Cuba could legitimately be described as state terrorism. That's generally the basis behind the more radical and interventionist elements of the neoconservative agenda, but it's actually surprising how many are unfamiliar with that legacy.

I am repeatedly surprised as well - so many in here throw out "neoconservative" without any real understanding of the historical context of that term.

But alas, perhaps some are being educated this very moment!

Oh please, the "neocon movement" evolved from its historic premises. Do you honestly believe that JFK would have endorsed the Project for a New American Century? Or Bush/Cheney's 2002 National Security Strategy which mirrored the PNAC, also known as the "Bush Doctrine"???

 

[MaggieMae]

Actually not, but thanks for stopping by.

Now I suggest you further your studies of your own nation's recent history, particularly the interesting links between JFK and the neoconservative movement...

of course, if you hadn't provided a link to anything, they would have just dismissed it off hand

True enough - and the fact I started off my comments by referencing this forum, and yet they assumed it was a NY Times column, well....that kind of stupid is too easy to mock, and so, I shall let it pass...

I just read the words, and assumed they were from the NYT. My bad. I keep forgetting that half-truths are what you guys do best.

 

[MaggieMae]

The fact is, JFK would have little place in today's Democrat Party.

Hell, some so-called Republicans would consider him too conservative.

Likewise, Reagan wouldn't recognize the GOP.

 

[Bfgrn]

that shows again, how fucking koronic and braindead you are

first off because NEOCONS are NOT right wing by any means
they are moderate to LIBERAL

True - JFK was a NEOCON.

Sure, forty years ago, before the term and the agenda was hijacked by the NEW "neocons." There are no Democrats among them now, and they most certainly ARE "right-wing" to the point that they pulled the strings of the Bush Administration.

You don't have to take Wikipedia's analysis; the same basic history of neoconservatism can be found in hundreds of other places.

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries. Unlike traditional conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a minimally-bureaucratic welfare state; and, while generally supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.

The term neoconservative, first coined at least as early as 1921, was used at one time as a criticism against liberals who had "moved to the right". Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the current sense of the term neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy. According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about." The term "neoconservative" was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.

The first major neoconservative to embrace the term, Irving Kristol, is considered a founder of the neoconservative movement. Kristol wrote of his neoconservative views in the 1979 article "Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed 'Neoconservative.' His ideas had been influential since the 1950s, when he co-founded and edited Encounter magazine. Another source was Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine from 1960 to 1995. By 1982 Podhoretz was calling himself a neoconservative, in a New York Times Magazine article titled "The Neoconservative Anguish over Reagan's Foreign Policy". Kristol's son, William Kristol, founded the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

The neocons are not moderate, they are extreme war hawks...

JFK was not a neocon...he was not a war hawk... the neocons were originally aligned with Henry "Scoop" Jackson...

The Vietnam war tore the Democratic Party apart...they wanted nothing to do with the war drum beating neocons...as the Democrats jettisoned the neocons... Ronald Reagan welcomed these extremists into the GOP, where they hooked up with right wing extremist christian hawks...

And what you see today is the culmination of Reagan's folly... a party dominated by extremists. Moderate Republicans, Goldwater conservatives and libertarians are being jettisoned to "purify" the party...the Nazis also wanted to "purify" their party...

 

[MaggieMae]

How true Sinatra, Kennedy was no mindless, weak kneeded leftist, he was conservative and passed one of the largest across the boards tax cuts in history. He tolerated no B.S from foriegn leaders and handled the Cuban Crisis with total strength and determination during the cold war.

So many democrats like to tout his name, but if they actually knew what a strong determined, tax cutting, pro business president he was, I wonder if they still would.
He was nothing like his brother Ted, they were related in blood only, otherwise they were total opposites in ideology.

Most Democrats have absolutely no problem with tax cuts, except when they're being done at the same time two wars are being fought and nation-building for both is not far off.

 

[Meister]

True - JFK was a NEOCON.

Sure, forty years ago, before the term and the agenda was hijacked by the NEW "neocons." There are no Democrats among them now, and they most certainly ARE "right-wing" to the point that they pulled the strings of the Bush Administration.

You don't have to take Wikipedia's analysis; the same basic history of neoconservatism can be found in hundreds of other places.

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries. Unlike traditional conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a minimally-bureaucratic welfare state; and, while generally supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.

The term neoconservative, first coined at least as early as 1921, was used at one time as a criticism against liberals who had "moved to the right". Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the current sense of the term neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy. According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about." The term "neoconservative" was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.

The first major neoconservative to embrace the term, Irving Kristol, is considered a founder of the neoconservative movement. Kristol wrote of his neoconservative views in the 1979 article "Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed 'Neoconservative.' His ideas had been influential since the 1950s, when he co-founded and edited Encounter magazine. Another source was Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine from 1960 to 1995. By 1982 Podhoretz was calling himself a neoconservative, in a New York Times Magazine article titled "The Neoconservative Anguish over Reagan's Foreign Policy". Kristol's son, William Kristol, founded the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

The neocons are not moderate, they are extreme war hawks...

JFK was not a neocon...he was not a war hawk... the neocons were originally aligned with Henry "Scoop" Jackson...

The Vietnam war tore the Democratic Party apart...they wanted nothing to do with the war drum beating neocons...as the Democrats jettisoned the neocons... Ronald Reagan welcomed these extremists into the GOP, where they hooked up with right wing extremist christian hawks...

And what you see today is the culmination of Reagan's folly... a party dominated by extremists. Moderate Republicans, Goldwater conservatives and libertarians are being jettisoned to "purify" the party...the Nazis also wanted to "purify" their party...

Oh brother, That's quite a yarn, BFGN

 

[MaggieMae]

The Mullahs are cracking down now.

It was the youth who brought them into power - and now it's (some) of the youth who want them out of power.

Sadly, my money is on the Mullahs.

The Obama administration's arrogance is to blame for much of this.

And if you can't figure that one out - you ain't looking hard enough kid...

Hope and Change...Change and Hope.
Yup...that should about do it.
Now go vote!!!!

You don't even seem to know the power structure of Iran. The president is simply a figurehead. The mulluhs run the whole show, which wouldn't be any different if GWB were still the president. The younger Iranians have been in a revolt-mood for a long time, and they finally have a reason to act out. Obama has nothing to do with it, except that he has removed the misconception that if they (Iranians) step out of line, the US will carpet bomb their country like it did Iraq.

 

[MaggieMae]

How's that 'hope and change' working out for ya Iran?

How is it working out? Like most everything else, a tad more time than 48 hours would be nice before an assessment such as your dumb blog entry. That said, when was the last time the Grand Ayatollah (Main Mulluh) of Iran intervened to investigate voter fraud?

 

[MaggieMae]

maybe i'm just bored enough to just keep responding to your stupidity, but not enough to actually research for you

Nobody was asking you to research, dumbfuck.

And you ruin every damn thread you're in. Your beginning to really stink up the board with your SHIT in all these threads.

But not Divecon, eh? Yeah, we get it. You people would just love to turn this entire board into an all right-wing membership, no dissention allowed, no profanity allowed except by YOU. Pretty soon you'd get so goddamned bored high-fiving everything, you'd search out other boards where opinions vary, and then try to ruin those too.

 

[MaggieMae]

True - JFK was a NEOCON.

Sure, forty years ago, before the term and the agenda was hijacked by the NEW "neocons." There are no Democrats among them now, and they most certainly ARE "right-wing" to the point that they pulled the strings of the Bush Administration.

You don't have to take Wikipedia's analysis; the same basic history of neoconservatism can be found in hundreds of other places.

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries. Unlike traditional conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a minimally-bureaucratic welfare state; and, while generally supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.

The term neoconservative, first coined at least as early as 1921, was used at one time as a criticism against liberals who had "moved to the right". Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the current sense of the term neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy. According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about." The term "neoconservative" was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.

The first major neoconservative to embrace the term, Irving Kristol, is considered a founder of the neoconservative movement. Kristol wrote of his neoconservative views in the 1979 article "Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed 'Neoconservative.' His ideas had been influential since the 1950s, when he co-founded and edited Encounter magazine. Another source was Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine from 1960 to 1995. By 1982 Podhoretz was calling himself a neoconservative, in a New York Times Magazine article titled "The Neoconservative Anguish over Reagan's Foreign Policy". Kristol's son, William Kristol, founded the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

The neocons are not moderate, they are extreme war hawks...

JFK was not a neocon...he was not a war hawk... the neocons were originally aligned with Henry "Scoop" Jackson...

The Vietnam war tore the Democratic Party apart...they wanted nothing to do with the war drum beating neocons...as the Democrats jettisoned the neocons... Ronald Reagan welcomed these extremists into the GOP, where they hooked up with right wing extremist christian hawks...

And what you see today is the culmination of Reagan's folly... a party dominated by extremists. Moderate Republicans, Goldwater conservatives and libertarians are being jettisoned to "purify" the party...the Nazis also wanted to "purify" their party...

Hmm, I'm not sure I would blame Reagan who was himself once a Democrat. I don't think anyone loses all trace of former roots. The unintended consequences of the purge of moderate Republicans I believe began with the Bush Doctrine partnered with the Rove Doctrine of Christian fanaticism. I believe the "agenda" was for the two to balance each other and thus create a "Republicans For Life" national order, but it backfired. Thus, we have the holdovers from each trying still to make their mark, and the GOP is left in the dust.

 

[DiveCon]

amazing how you think you know everything about me.

Consistency fail...yet again. Man...you really, really suck at this.

no, you suck at this
just where did i say i know anything about YOU in specific?
i didnt
thats why i see you as a fucking moron
you jump to conclusions not supported by what i said

See the bolded parts, sonny.

which was not solely directed at YOU
learn to read asshole

 

[Sinatra]

Ah, the scrambling to remove JFK from the neocon movement is amusing to watch!

What a dance of denial we have today!

JFK was imbedded in the neocon philosophy. His allegiance to Robert McNamara is plenty proof of that, as are his own words and stance regarding opposition to communism, American intervention, etc.

Sorry kids, but JFK was a neocon. That should not discredit him - it is simple historical fact.

And if you wish to further explore the links with neoconservatism and liberal internationalism, you will find that the philisophical threads greatly intertwine. And while the modern version of neoconservatism is laid out on the unhealthy table of the Iraq War, one must recall that it also was laid out on the far more disastrous table of Vietnam - a table constructed in great part by the neoconservative hands of JFK and LBJ -and their shared Defense Secretary, Robert McNamara.

Don't deny your own history - work to understand it.