Iranians Shrug Off Obama - America Soon To Follow?

[L.K.Eder]

i have nothing to add to this piece of shit thread. it is the mirror of the "obama effect" thread. same shit different side.

i said what i had to say in this other thread, this one deserves only ridicule.

Who's blaming Obama for this? I am not. The point was we had a couple of you guys actually calling the election--2 days before it happened--& giving credit to Obama for a wishful thinking win.

Does this mean you should run away from this thread? No--it's designed--to give you a little history lesson the middle east--instead of thinking that because a new President was elected 6 months ago--everything is going to change for the better.

Sorry friend--I have been around way to long to know that never happens in the middle east--regardless of who the POTUS is. And we've been dealing with middle east problems since right after WW2 which was 1945!

ok, after reading your post, friend, i decided to give this thread another chance.

it is after all designed to give me a little history lesson the middle east.

 

[oreo]

i have nothing to add to this piece of shit thread. it is the mirror of the "obama effect" thread. same shit different side.

i said what i had to say in this other thread, this one deserves only ridicule.

Who's blaming Obama for this? I am not. The point was we had a couple of you guys actually calling the election--2 days before it happened--& giving credit to Obama for a wishful thinking win.

Does this mean you should run away from this thread? No--it's designed--to give you a little history lesson the middle east--instead of thinking that because a new President was elected 6 months ago--everything is going to change for the better.

Sorry friend--I have been around way to long to know that never happens in the middle east--regardless of who the POTUS is. And we've been dealing with middle east problems since right after WW2 which was 1945!

ok, after reading your post, friend, i decided to give this thread another chance.

it is after all designed to give me a little history lesson the middle east.

Great--I am glad to see you back. I really don't know how old you are--but this has been going on for decades in the middle east. I don't know if you remember this or not--but Bill Clinton spent his last weeks with the then prime--minister of Isreal & Arafat--trying to get to peace in the region. Clinton & the prime minister of Isreal worked up an unbelievable deal for Arafat. Even the political pundents--stated there would be no other better deal--it was put on a silver platter for Arafat--& he shocked everyone by turning it down FLAT.

G.W. Bush got so ticked at Arafat for turning down the Clinton deal--that he wouldn't even acknowledge Arafat's presence in a room. You probably remember the horrendous bombings in Isreal (after Arafat turned down Clinton's deal?) Then Arafat dies during the Bush administration. We're all HEY this is it--Palistians have got to be sick & tired of living in poverty--they've got to be sick & tired of war--they're going to elect the more moderate to run their country. They SHOCKED the entire world by electing a terrorist organization (Hamas) to be in charge of the government of Palistine.

This is the middle east. If you have read any books on them--you will note that they have been warriors--barbarians in their culture for centuries. If they're not fighting us they fight each other. It's like they live for war.

We have been unsuccessful at changing that culture. We have been sucessful with moderate Muslims--but the hard-liners--forget it. It's a waste of time, in my opinion.

The Mullahs in Iran really are the ones in control. Unfortunately--we did not back the Shaw of Iran & they took over. They have been there for decades now. While the younger want change & have wanted change for a very long time--they've got a real uphill battle in front of them.

Every single President has tried to settle issues & bring a lasting peace to the region. And every one of them have come up empty handed.

 

[Chris]

I could not help but chuckle at the naive implorations by a few in this forum declaring that Obama was altering the attitude of the Muslim world through a few speeches given in recent weeks.

It is that degree of naivety that is the now-crumbling foundation of the Obama administration. They were elected on the power of speech, so they are now convinced they can actually govern by that same power - that words in essence, are more critical than actual results.

So, while Obama's personal popularity remains high, his job approval has fallen, particularly in the categories of handling the economy, government spending, and taxes. The reality of the time is now in stark contrast to the lofty rhetoric of Obama's so often contradictory words.

And now with the overwhelming victory by Iranian Muslim hardliner President Ahmadinejad in Iran, re-elected by well over 60% of the population (a far more statistically significant victory than Obama's own victory in the United States last year) we see Obama's impotence with the American economy now extending to foreign policy.

The Obama White House is a place of increasing uncertainty. The community organizer turned President struggles for a coherent message - particularly when removed from the safety of his teleprompted script. The economy continues to stagnate, and a tide of opposition grows against his health care plan, where more moderate Democrats are now quietly backing away from the White House for fear of being attached to its quite possible legislative failure.

And so, this White House continues its campaign of words-words-words, but fewer and fewer and fewer care to listen, with a hint of fomenting contempt against this overly scripted and verbose President beginning to accumulate across America.

The vast majority of Iranian people are not impressed with Obama.

Perhaps it is that one thing which the Iranians and the American people wil sooner rather than later, have in common.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/world/middleeast/14iran.html?_r=2&hp

The election was stolen and the Iranian people know it.

Obama's election is helping to lead to the destruction of the Iranian government.

It is disintegrating before our very eyes.

 

[Nik]

only a fucking moronic asshole thinks there was any inconsistancy

Wait...I thought it was explained to me several times. You mean you can't show to me where it was explained how they were consistent? So you mean your a lying shitbag? Say it ain't so Dive...say it ain't so

you are such a fucking moronic asshole
there is no need to explain beyond the original posts because there was ZERO inconsistancy
you cant possibly be more stupid than chric/bobo, but it sure seems like you are trying very hard to show you are

Wait...theres zero need to explain? I thought you said it had been explained several times now?

Man this is just too fucking easy.

 

[Sinatra]

The Mullahs are cracking down now.

It was the youth who brought them into power - and now it's (some) of the youth who want them out of power.

Sadly, my money is on the Mullahs.

The Obama administration's arrogance is to blame for much of this.

And if you can't figure that one out - you ain't looking hard enough kid...

Hope and Change...Change and Hope.
Yup...that should about do it.
Now go vote!!!!

 

[Nik]

The Mullahs are cracking down now.

It was the youth who brought them into power - and now it's (some) of the youth who want them out of power.

Sadly, my money is on the Mullahs.

The Obama administration's arrogance is to blame for much of this.

And if you can't figure that one out - you ain't looking hard enough kid...

Hope and Change...Change and Hope.
Yup...that should about do it.
Now go vote!!!!

Umm, what?

Obamas responsible for what exactly?

 

[DiveCon]

Wait...I thought it was explained to me several times. You mean you can't show to me where it was explained how they were consistent? So you mean your a lying shitbag? Say it ain't so Dive...say it ain't so

you are such a fucking moronic asshole
there is no need to explain beyond the original posts because there was ZERO inconsistancy
you cant possibly be more stupid than chric/bobo, but it sure seems like you are trying very hard to show you are

Wait...theres zero need to explain? I thought you said it had been explained several times now?

Man this is just too fucking easy.

you are too fucking moronic

 

[DiveCon]

The Mullahs are cracking down now.

It was the youth who brought them into power - and now it's (some) of the youth who want them out of power.

Sadly, my money is on the Mullahs.

The Obama administration's arrogance is to blame for much of this.

And if you can't figure that one out - you ain't looking hard enough kid...

Hope and Change...Change and Hope.
Yup...that should about do it.
Now go vote!!!!

how is Obama responsible for the mess the Iranians got themselves into?

sorry, it wasnt Bush's fault and its not Obama's fault

 

[oreo]

I could not help but chuckle at the naive implorations by a few in this forum declaring that Obama was altering the attitude of the Muslim world through a few speeches given in recent weeks.

It is that degree of naivety that is the now-crumbling foundation of the Obama administration. They were elected on the power of speech, so they are now convinced they can actually govern by that same power - that words in essence, are more critical than actual results.

So, while Obama's personal popularity remains high, his job approval has fallen, particularly in the categories of handling the economy, government spending, and taxes. The reality of the time is now in stark contrast to the lofty rhetoric of Obama's so often contradictory words.

And now with the overwhelming victory by Iranian Muslim hardliner President Ahmadinejad in Iran, re-elected by well over 60% of the population (a far more statistically significant victory than Obama's own victory in the United States last year) we see Obama's impotence with the American economy now extending to foreign policy.

The Obama White House is a place of increasing uncertainty. The community organizer turned President struggles for a coherent message - particularly when removed from the safety of his teleprompted script. The economy continues to stagnate, and a tide of opposition grows against his health care plan, where more moderate Democrats are now quietly backing away from the White House for fear of being attached to its quite possible legislative failure.

And so, this White House continues its campaign of words-words-words, but fewer and fewer and fewer care to listen, with a hint of fomenting contempt against this overly scripted and verbose President beginning to accumulate across America.

The vast majority of Iranian people are not impressed with Obama.

Perhaps it is that one thing which the Iranians and the American people wil sooner rather than later, have in common.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/world/middleeast/14iran.html?_r=2&hp

The election was stolen and the Iranian people know it.

Obama's election is helping to lead to the destruction of the Iranian government.

It is disintegrating before our very eyes.

Criss--give it up will ya? 60% of the population voted to keep the current government. There is not a shread of proof that voter fraud happened. All we have is a bunch of opposition voters that are very angry right now-- That's it.

 

[Nik]

you are such a fucking moronic asshole
there is no need to explain beyond the original posts because there was ZERO inconsistancy
you cant possibly be more stupid than chric/bobo, but it sure seems like you are trying very hard to show you are

Wait...theres zero need to explain? I thought you said it had been explained several times now?

Man this is just too fucking easy.

you are too fucking moronic

Does that count as an argument where you come from, sonny?

 

[Sinatra]

How's that 'hope and change' working out for ya Iran?

 

[elvis]

The Mullahs are cracking down now.

It was the youth who brought them into power - and now it's (some) of the youth who want them out of power.

Sadly, my money is on the Mullahs.

The Obama administration's arrogance is to blame for much of this.

And if you can't figure that one out - you ain't looking hard enough kid...

Hope and Change...Change and Hope.
Yup...that should about do it.
Now go vote!!!!

how is Obama responsible for the mess the Iranians got themselves into?

sorry, it wasnt Bush's fault and its not Obama's fault

what a concept.

 

[elvis]

I could not help but chuckle at the naive implorations by a few in this forum declaring that Obama was altering the attitude of the Muslim world through a few speeches given in recent weeks.

It is that degree of naivety that is the now-crumbling foundation of the Obama administration. They were elected on the power of speech, so they are now convinced they can actually govern by that same power - that words in essence, are more critical than actual results.

So, while Obama's personal popularity remains high, his job approval has fallen, particularly in the categories of handling the economy, government spending, and taxes. The reality of the time is now in stark contrast to the lofty rhetoric of Obama's so often contradictory words.

And now with the overwhelming victory by Iranian Muslim hardliner President Ahmadinejad in Iran, re-elected by well over 60% of the population (a far more statistically significant victory than Obama's own victory in the United States last year) we see Obama's impotence with the American economy now extending to foreign policy.

The Obama White House is a place of increasing uncertainty. The community organizer turned President struggles for a coherent message - particularly when removed from the safety of his teleprompted script. The economy continues to stagnate, and a tide of opposition grows against his health care plan, where more moderate Democrats are now quietly backing away from the White House for fear of being attached to its quite possible legislative failure.

And so, this White House continues its campaign of words-words-words, but fewer and fewer and fewer care to listen, with a hint of fomenting contempt against this overly scripted and verbose President beginning to accumulate across America.

The vast majority of Iranian people are not impressed with Obama.

Perhaps it is that one thing which the Iranians and the American people wil sooner rather than later, have in common.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/world/middleeast/14iran.html?_r=2&hp

The election was stolen and the Iranian people know it.

Obama's election is helping to lead to the destruction of the Iranian government.

It is disintegrating before our very eyes.

Then you wake up and wipe yourself off.

 

[oreo]

The Mullahs are cracking down now.

It was the youth who brought them into power - and now it's (some) of the youth who want them out of power.

Sadly, my money is on the Mullahs.

The Obama administration's arrogance is to blame for much of this.

And if you can't figure that one out - you ain't looking hard enough kid...

Hope and Change...Change and Hope.
Yup...that should about do it.
Now go vote!!!!

The youth did not bring the Mullahs into power--where did you come up with that one? The youth of Iran has "always" wanted a more moderate government--that is friendly to the west. Unfortunately--the youth in Iran are only 30% of the entire population. The only way they get change is for the older hard-liners to die off.

 

[Nik]

I could not help but chuckle at the naive implorations by a few in this forum declaring that Obama was altering the attitude of the Muslim world through a few speeches given in recent weeks.

It is that degree of naivety that is the now-crumbling foundation of the Obama administration. They were elected on the power of speech, so they are now convinced they can actually govern by that same power - that words in essence, are more critical than actual results.

So, while Obama's personal popularity remains high, his job approval has fallen, particularly in the categories of handling the economy, government spending, and taxes. The reality of the time is now in stark contrast to the lofty rhetoric of Obama's so often contradictory words.

And now with the overwhelming victory by Iranian Muslim hardliner President Ahmadinejad in Iran, re-elected by well over 60% of the population (a far more statistically significant victory than Obama's own victory in the United States last year) we see Obama's impotence with the American economy now extending to foreign policy.

The Obama White House is a place of increasing uncertainty. The community organizer turned President struggles for a coherent message - particularly when removed from the safety of his teleprompted script. The economy continues to stagnate, and a tide of opposition grows against his health care plan, where more moderate Democrats are now quietly backing away from the White House for fear of being attached to its quite possible legislative failure.

And so, this White House continues its campaign of words-words-words, but fewer and fewer and fewer care to listen, with a hint of fomenting contempt against this overly scripted and verbose President beginning to accumulate across America.

The vast majority of Iranian people are not impressed with Obama.

Perhaps it is that one thing which the Iranians and the American people wil sooner rather than later, have in common.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/world/middleeast/14iran.html?_r=2&hp

The election was stolen and the Iranian people know it.

Obama's election is helping to lead to the destruction of the Iranian government.

It is disintegrating before our very eyes.

Criss--give it up will ya? 60% of the population voted to keep the current government. There is not a shread of proof that voter fraud happened. All we have is a bunch of opposition voters that are very angry right now-- That's it.

Actually there is a shit ton of evidence that voter fraud happened.

Informed Comment: Stealing the Iranian Election

And if there was no fraud, why are all the social networking sites shut down?

If there was no fraud, why are random DOS attacks happening against Iranian expat sites?

If there was no fraud, why is Mousavi under house arrest?

Also there have been reports that Irans own election monitoring service has declared it fraudulent, and top clerics have asked for a revote.

 

[Nik]

How's that 'hope and change' working out for ya Iran?

Wtf? Do you think Obama is supposed to magically fix Iran? What exactly do you think he should have done to prevent this?

 

[elvis]

How's that 'hope and change' working out for ya Iran?

Wtf? Do you think Obama is supposed to magically fix Iran? What exactly do you think he should have done to prevent this?

Vote "Present"?

 

[Nik]

How's that 'hope and change' working out for ya Iran?

Wtf? Do you think Obama is supposed to magically fix Iran? What exactly do you think he should have done to prevent this?

Vote "Present"?

No answer, eh?

 

[DiveCon]

Wait...theres zero need to explain? I thought you said it had been explained several times now?

Man this is just too fucking easy.

you are too fucking moronic

Does that count as an argument where you come from, sonny?

no, it means i wont waste much time on you
you are too fucking stupid

 

[Nik]

you are too fucking moronic

Does that count as an argument where you come from, sonny?

no, it means i wont waste much time on you
you are too fucking stupid

Really? Then why are you replying to everything I say and following me around like a little bitch?