Iran tests missiles!!

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    Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards test fired dozens of missiles including the longrange Shahab-3 during the first hours of military manoeuvres yesterday.

    Iranian state run television showed footage of dozen types of missiles being fired from mobile launching pads says AP.

    The array of missiles tested include:-
    The Shahab-3 long range missile(can equip a nuke warhead) , Shahab-2 (having a warhead of a 1,400 cluster bomb but can also hold a nuclear warhead) , the solid-fuel ZalZal missile and guided missiles such as the Scud-B , Zolfaghar-73 , and Z-3.

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    That was all over the news yesterday, countries do conduct manoeuvers you know. Actually US was leading 6 countries in the Gulf, also:

    http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache...ers&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
     
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    Missiles are not impressive when they are equipped conventionally.
    When you equip missiles with nuclear, biological or chemical materials THEN they will make big damage in human life.
    But such a move will result in Iran either being nuked or chemically attacked.

    Iranians have about 800 missiles of Shahab class missiles, which have an average capacity to transport 1 tonnes of explosives.
    That makes around 800 tonnes of explosives.

    When you remember that the Brits only dropped in Dresden in 2 big attacks about 2400 tonnes of explosives, then these Shahab missiles will only destroy a mid-size city.
    So in military meaning these missiles have no meaning untill Iran has no nuclear material enriched. Iran's airforce is not up-to date and under embargo, so they fully go the way of missiles.

    Of course these Shahab missiles can and if all 800 Shahabs will be fired at Israelian reactor in Dimona, will hit that reactor. But such move will force Israel to nuke Iran.
    This is not likely. It is just a big propaganda show for Iranian public unless these missiles are equipped conventionally with explosives.
     
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    That is until they are finished with their nuclear enrichment program.

    And it's nice to know you consider a "mid-size city" a minor loss. A railroad crossing with a post office doesn't deserve to be fired upon, much less a "mid-size city."
     
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    Who says, that Iran will fire all these missiles.
    They will only make use of missiles, when there will be an Iran-war. Not before.
     
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    Wanna bet?
     
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    Excuse me mate.. Iran is enriching Uranium. The buggers could have the required 30-35% enriched Uranium to equip small warheads into their Shahab Missiles. And since the Shahabs have a max range of 2000 km this puts Isarel and U.S bases in the Gulf in deep trouble. Iran can get the required enriched bomb grade uranium in the next 2 -3 years.

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    There is much propaganda in this world.
    Why should Iran attack US Bases with missiles? What lies behind this logic and what gains and what loses Iran by such a step?

    You have to think logically:
    The only reason Iran wants to advance to a nuclear armed state is, that it will become untouchable, and therefore can adopt a more aggressive stance in forming the region like it wants.
    That Iran gets nuclear and then attacks in Kamikaze-way Israel or US-bases is not that likely.
    This is a irrational step, where Iran itself will get nuked.
    Israel has some nuclear-capable submarines bought from Germany. Even when Israel if if if gets nuked by Iran, Israel will make Iran to a non-liveable zone.

    In current situation Iran can not make everything it wants, because it can be accountable.
    When Iran gets nuclear, it can try (i am not saying it has the capabilities) to destabilize Jordan, Saudi-Arabia even Afghanistan. And nobody can do anything against it, as Iran will be militarily untouchable.

    Being in nuclear armed status means, that you are the player in the region and you have the upper hand against other states and you can, even if you don't success, try to export your regime or your "modelling of the region" in to the neighbour area.
    It is all about interest. Iran is currently in no position to advance to a leader state in the region, as there are more powerfull states.

    All the Anti-American polemic by Iran is off course of economic reasons, too.
    Iranians have no quality products for export. Their products are not competitive on world market. Besides, they mostly expport reccources.
    By adopting Anti-American policies Iran establishes economic agreements with states which like the USA also not.

    For example Iran produces a car called Samand. This car is real bullshit and is mostly only for Iranian market.
    To international customers it is bullshit.
    The few countries Iran exports this car is Venezuela and Belarus.
    All states the USA has no good relations to, Iran intensifies cooperation on multiple areas. And economy is one of them where Iran gets chance to export its goods while to other states can't, as industrialized countries mostly only import pistachios and oil and natural gas from Iran.

    So you can still believe Iran wants to get nuclear to erase Israel or attack US-bases. It is your view.
    I view it, that Iran plans for future and eraseing Israel or US-bases will be a step where Iranian future will be erased.
    So Iran makes nuclear plans for strengthening its role in the region and become a unique country to opress other countries, simply by being a nuclear power, and others are not.
    And such a status will make Iranian future more attractive in handleing the region as it wants.
     
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    Why would i want to bet?
    You have your views and i have mine.

    Iranian airforce is crap. Iran has no air-superiority in the region.
    For example, if Iran wanted to drop explosives in the U. A. Emirates, the airforce from UAE would shoot down all Iranian warplanes. Without exception.

    So if you do not want to abandon airwarfare, bringing explosives from point A to point B, you have to go they way by missiles.
    Iranian air fighters can not drop explosives in airplanes in a foreign country. But Iranian missiles can.

    Versus technologically advanced states Iranian missiles are more logical than oldtimer Iranian warplanes.
    Iranian howitzers can not reach foreign states and Iranian airforce can not also.

    The biggest income is reccources, and fueling "conflict-debate" in the world makes reccource prices rise, Iran getting more Dollar from reccources. So Iran has interest in keeping reccource prices high. The easiest way doing this is fueling "conflict-debate" and agressive polemic.
    Iran is no world-bank and has limited finance cash.
    So Iran has to make a choice investing in Russian warplanes, which in a conflict will be shot down by Israelian and American airforce or use the money better in investing in missiles.

    So a missile arsenal suits Iran better then warplanes. No Iranian warlane make its way to Israel or US-BAses. But Missiles will.
    Also Iran can bunker its missile launch platforms and launch missiles from under the earth.
    Air fleets will get first bombed from opponents of Iran.

    Iran has a doctrine suited to its opponents and it chose the way of missiles.
    Only a F-16 can carry a explosive load of 7 tonnes. Now imagine USA eliminateing Iranian airfleets and 1000 US F-16 dropping bombs over Iran non-stop 24 hours.

    How bombs Iran US Airbases. By missiles.
    But these missiles are not convinceing as Iran has 800 Shahab missiles with an average payload of 1 Tonnes explosives.
    Only when 1000 US F-16 dromp bombs simultaneous over Iran it makes 7.000 tonnes of explosives.

    This example should give you an answer, too, why Iran will not attack US first.
    But when Iran gets attacked, it will use everything it has. Missiles, too, even if missiles will have no eminent effect.
     
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    Sorry, I forgot I was talking to a box of rocks. That was my point, do you happen to remember the President of Iran stating Israel will be wiped off the map, or something to that effect?

    So that brings us back to what you said “they won’t” launch missiles unless in a war. Are ya catching on yet? I said ‘wanna bet’.

    Yer up box.
     

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