Iowa warns international observers of arrest

[bripat9643]

The federal government in power's DOJ interprets the Constitution that trumps World Watcher's error.

Huh? Do yourself a favor and sober up before you post again, Fakey.

 

[bripat9643]

Federal law trumps state law on the issue of international observers. Go read. The state officials are going to have to suck it up. Tis what tis.

LGS is going on ignore: she simply offers nothing of import or consequence. She lost her gunfight at the Starkey Corral.

Show me the federal law you're refering to. It doesn't exist.

Article VI of the United States Constitution. The OSCE was created and operates as a result of the Helsinki and Paris treaties that the US is a signatory of.


Just say'n. If they are operating as observers for OSCE, based on a treaty signed and approved by Congress, then the Constitution trumps state law. (If they are not on diplomatic passports, which one would assume they are, then they would be functioning with diplomatic immunity from prosecution.


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There is nothing in the Helsinki accords that gives the U.N. the authority to monitor our elections.

End of story.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The far right assertions have fallen flat.

Anybody want to bet on the observers not being allowed to perform their jobs in Iowa and Texas next week?

Didn't think so.

 

[GoneBezerk]

These socialist scumbags have accused the US states of being racists toward minority groups, so they roll into those states to so-called "observe" our elections....in reality they are here to trump up bullshit charges they will claim once they run back to their overseas hideouts.

It's hard for them to roll out "racist" stories if they can't show plane tickets to locations in Iowa, Texas, etc...this is all for show and for scum in the NAALCP that claim showing an ID is racist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

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[bripat9643]

The observers will observe the elections without interference.

Someone needs to explain to the wackos that federal power trumps state power.


They hated having federal troops desegregate the south, too.

Someone needs to explain to the morons that there is no federal law that authorizes anyone to monitor elections. In fact, the Constitution says the states will make their own laws regarding elections.

You turds are so fucking stupid it defies belief.

 

[Liability]

They are here at the behest of several Liberal social organizations for the purpose of monitoring improprieties by Conservative groups.

But liberal groups' improprieties are a-ok?

 

[Liability]

I would like to think we have nothing to hide......but.......

but --- we know there will always be liberal Democratics doing their election fraud thing.

 

[Liability]

The international observers are here to do as they do throughout the world, observe elections.

Americans are honored to demonstrate the impartiality and professionalism of our elections.

The Iowa officials will be completely polite and courteous with their guests, or they can answer to the US Marshalls.

Nonsense.

The international "monitors" will answer to the Iowa law enforcement officers if they violate Iowa's laws. Period. End of story.

The "observers" are not diplomats and have no immunity.

The "invitation" from the Obama Administration is not a pass to violate any State's laws.

 

[Liability]

Federal law trumps state law on the issue of international observers. Go read. The state officials are going to have to suck it up. Tis what tis.

LGS is going on ignore: she simply offers nothing of import or consequence. She lost her gunfight at the Starkey Corral.

Bullshit.

Cite any alleged Federal Law that "trumps" the Constitutional authority of the States to make their own election laws.

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit.

Cite any alleged Federal Law that "trumps" the Constitutional authority of the States to make their own election laws.

<Crickets> <Crickets>

 

[Liability]

I don't. I encourage observation of our process, especially by other countries. This group has released reports in 2004 and 2006. What could conservatives be concerned about with their reporting this time around?

What is it about enforcing the law do you have a problem with? I know your dear leader could give a shit about the law, but what is your porblem with it?

What law? Iowa Code section 49.104 states that one observer is allowed in the polling place.

49.104 PERSONS PERMITTED AT POLLING PLACES.
The following persons shall be permitted to be present at and in
the immediate vicinity of the polling places, provided they do not
solicit votes:
1. Any person who is by law authorized to perform or is charged with the performance of official duties at the election.
2. Any number of persons, not exceeding three at a time from each political party having candidates to be voted for at such election, to act as challenging committees, who are appointed and accredited by the executive or central committee of such political party or organization.
3. Any number of persons not exceeding three at a time from each of such political parties, appointed and accredited in the same manner as above prescribed for challenging committees, to witness the counting of ballots. Subject to the restrictions of section 51.11, the witnesses may observe the counting of ballots by a counting board during the hours the polls are open in any precinct for which double election boards have been appointed.
4. Any peace officer assigned or called upon to keep order or maintain compliance with the provisions of this chapter, upon request of the commissioner or of the chairperson of the precinct election board.
5. One observer at a time representing any nonparty political organization, any candidate nominated by petition pursuant to chapter 45, or any other nonpartisan candidate in a city or school election, appearing on the ballot of the election in progress. Candidates who send observers to the polls shall provide each observer with a letter of appointment in the form prescribed by the state commissioner.
6. Any persons expressing an interest in a ballot issue to be voted upon at an election except a general or primary election. Any such person shall file a notice of intent to serve as an observer with the commissioner before election day. If more than three persons file a notice of intent to serve at the same time with respect to ballot issues at an election, the commissioner shall appoint from those submitting a notice of intent the three persons who may serve at that time as observers, and shall provide a schedule to all persons who filed notices of intent. The appointees, whenever possible, shall include both opponents and proponents of the ballot
issues.
7. Any person authorized by the commissioner, in consultation with the secretary of state, for the purposes of conducting and attending educational voting programs for youth.

The ONLY possible "exception" is clause 5 (highlighted portion) and that only works if you deem the international observers to be representatives of a nonparty political organization. Except the fucking observers are NOT a political organization.

So, guess again.

 

[del]

What is it about enforcing the law do you have a problem with? I know your dear leader could give a shit about the law, but what is your porblem with it?

What law? Iowa Code section 49.104 states that one observer is allowed in the polling place.

49.104 PERSONS PERMITTED AT POLLING PLACES.
The following persons shall be permitted to be present at and in
the immediate vicinity of the polling places, provided they do not
solicit votes:
1. Any person who is by law authorized to perform or is charged with the performance of official duties at the election.
2. Any number of persons, not exceeding three at a time from each political party having candidates to be voted for at such election, to act as challenging committees, who are appointed and accredited by the executive or central committee of such political party or organization.
3. Any number of persons not exceeding three at a time from each of such political parties, appointed and accredited in the same manner as above prescribed for challenging committees, to witness the counting of ballots. Subject to the restrictions of section 51.11, the witnesses may observe the counting of ballots by a counting board during the hours the polls are open in any precinct for which double election boards have been appointed.
4. Any peace officer assigned or called upon to keep order or maintain compliance with the provisions of this chapter, upon request of the commissioner or of the chairperson of the precinct election board.
5. One observer at a time representing any nonparty political organization, any candidate nominated by petition pursuant to chapter 45, or any other nonpartisan candidate in a city or school election, appearing on the ballot of the election in progress. Candidates who send observers to the polls shall provide each observer with a letter of appointment in the form prescribed by the state commissioner.
6. Any persons expressing an interest in a ballot issue to be voted upon at an election except a general or primary election. Any such person shall file a notice of intent to serve as an observer with the commissioner before election day. If more than three persons file a notice of intent to serve at the same time with respect to ballot issues at an election, the commissioner shall appoint from those submitting a notice of intent the three persons who may serve at that time as observers, and shall provide a schedule to all persons who filed notices of intent. The appointees, whenever possible, shall include both opponents and proponents of the ballot
issues.
7. Any person authorized by the commissioner, in consultation with the secretary of state, for the purposes of conducting and attending educational voting programs for youth.

The ONLY possible "exception" is clause 5 (highlighted portion) and that only works if you deem the international observers to be representatives of a nonparty political organization. Except the fucking observers are NOT a political organization.

So, guess again.

so your argument is that they are here to harrass conservatives, but they're not political.



brilliant

 

[GoneBezerk]

State officials upholding their sovereign laws while obeying Federal laws, don't like non-Americans rolling into town accusing them of breaking laws within this country. That usually doesn't go over well with law abiding people especially when people that promote breaking the law are making accusations.

 

[bodecea]

Trust us...don't watch us.....but trust us.

 

[Liability]

What law? Iowa Code section 49.104 states that one observer is allowed in the polling place.

49.104 PERSONS PERMITTED AT POLLING PLACES.
The following persons shall be permitted to be present at and in
the immediate vicinity of the polling places, provided they do not
solicit votes:
1. Any person who is by law authorized to perform or is charged with the performance of official duties at the election.
2. Any number of persons, not exceeding three at a time from each political party having candidates to be voted for at such election, to act as challenging committees, who are appointed and accredited by the executive or central committee of such political party or organization.
3. Any number of persons not exceeding three at a time from each of such political parties, appointed and accredited in the same manner as above prescribed for challenging committees, to witness the counting of ballots. Subject to the restrictions of section 51.11, the witnesses may observe the counting of ballots by a counting board during the hours the polls are open in any precinct for which double election boards have been appointed.
4. Any peace officer assigned or called upon to keep order or maintain compliance with the provisions of this chapter, upon request of the commissioner or of the chairperson of the precinct election board.
5. One observer at a time representing any nonparty political organization, any candidate nominated by petition pursuant to chapter 45, or any other nonpartisan candidate in a city or school election, appearing on the ballot of the election in progress. Candidates who send observers to the polls shall provide each observer with a letter of appointment in the form prescribed by the state commissioner.
6. Any persons expressing an interest in a ballot issue to be voted upon at an election except a general or primary election. Any such person shall file a notice of intent to serve as an observer with the commissioner before election day. If more than three persons file a notice of intent to serve at the same time with respect to ballot issues at an election, the commissioner shall appoint from those submitting a notice of intent the three persons who may serve at that time as observers, and shall provide a schedule to all persons who filed notices of intent. The appointees, whenever possible, shall include both opponents and proponents of the ballot
issues.
7. Any person authorized by the commissioner, in consultation with the secretary of state, for the purposes of conducting and attending educational voting programs for youth.

The ONLY possible "exception" is clause 5 (highlighted portion) and that only works if you deem the international observers to be representatives of a nonparty political organization. Except the fucking observers are NOT a political organization.

So, guess again.

so your argument is that they are here to harrass conservatives, but they're not political.



brilliant

No. My argument is that the President invited them precisely because they ARE political.

If they see any "conservative" behavior which can be shaped into something suspicious, they will "document" and "report."

But if they see any "liberal" behavior which IS flatly improper, hey, that's none of their concern.

But just because the President hopes to make some political hay out of using them doesn't make the OSCE boys and girls a "political organization."

Nice try, though, del.

Maybe a nappy would help?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Show me the federal law you're refering to. It doesn't exist.

Article VI of the United States Constitution. The OSCE was created and operates as a result of the Helsinki and Paris treaties that the US is a signatory of.


Just say'n. If they are operating as observers for OSCE, based on a treaty signed and approved by Congress, then the Constitution trumps state law. (If they are not on diplomatic passports, which one would assume they are, then they would be functioning with diplomatic immunity from prosecution.


>>>>

There is nothing in the Helsinki accords that gives the U.N. the authority to monitor our elections.

End of story.

Believe as you wish, but if these observers are on diplomatic passports and have immunity from prosecution then unlawfully arresting them means the individual ordering such an arrest could face (IIRC) federal prison.

Well just have to see next Tuesday.


>>>>

 

[del]

The ONLY possible "exception" is clause 5 (highlighted portion) and that only works if you deem the international observers to be representatives of a nonparty political organization. Except the fucking observers are NOT a political organization.

So, guess again.

so your argument is that they are here to harrass conservatives, but they're not political.



brilliant

No. My argument is that the President invited them precisely because they ARE political.

If they see any "conservative" behavior which can be shaped into something suspicious, they will "document" and "report."

But if they see any "liberal" behavior which IS flatly improper, hey, that's none of their concern.

But just because the President hopes to make some political hay out of using them doesn't make the OSCE boys and girls a "political organization."

Nice try, though, del.

Maybe a nappy would help?

so they're an apolitical, political organization.

thanks for clearing that up.

you look good in tin foil, btw.

 

[Liability]

Article VI of the United States Constitution. The OSCE was created and operates as a result of the Helsinki and Paris treaties that the US is a signatory of.


Just say'n. If they are operating as observers for OSCE, based on a treaty signed and approved by Congress, then the Constitution trumps state law. (If they are not on diplomatic passports, which one would assume they are, then they would be functioning with diplomatic immunity from prosecution.


>>>>

There is nothing in the Helsinki accords that gives the U.N. the authority to monitor our elections.

End of story.

Believe as you wish, but if these observers are on diplomatic passports and have immunity from prosecution then unlawfully arresting them means the individual ordering such an arrest could face (IIRC) federal prison.

Well just have to see next Tuesday.


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That's a pretty big "if."

On the other hand, if they are here as diplomats or are part of some embassy or consulate, then I would presume that they are covered by diplomatic immunity. In that event, it would be stupid of Iowa law enforcement officers or Texas' law enforcement officers to arrest them.

Alternatively, they could get arrested and then the State Department could intervene and void the arrests and get the immunized OSCE folks out of jail.

It would be wise for the OSCE folks to follow the local election laws either way.

Otherwise, President Romney might have the violators declared "persona non grata" and boot them the fuck back out of the USA.

 

[Intense]

Federal law trumps state law on the issue of international observers. Go read. The state officials are going to have to suck it up. Tis what tis.

LGS is going on ignore: she simply offers nothing of import or consequence. She lost her gunfight at the Starkey Corral.

OMG Thank you!!!!!!! Wow.. Had I know that's all it took to make Fakey's ignore list, I would have mentioned arresting libruls long ago!

That's almost as good as making Huggy's List. At least Huggy is not confused about his Party Affiliation, or Sexual orientation. Jake is about as Statist as it gets. Watch out, he might report you for removing your mattress label.