Inventing history

[DreyfussRan]

While I might cheerfully advocate a Jewish State under any just and beneficial set of conditions---geo-political safe-zone, relative stability of neighboring states, military and financial independence, diplomatic autonomy--the historical set of conditions by which Israel sprang to life and is further maintained has merely served to corrupt Judaism both politically and morally, and implicate the United States in an emblematic morass that serves to undermine its select diplomatic rhetoric of cultivating "fledgling democracies" in the region. The time-line remains the most resolute threat to the Israeli interests, and under normal considerations of self-interest it is unthinkable that the extraordinary political, diplomatic and military advantages of the Israelis were not employed to broker a modest two-state resolution decades ago, and most assuredly one in which Israel retained a remarkable advantage. Herin lies the pathological component of the Israeli leadership: pursuing agravated--and conversely aggravating---policies that have their antecedents in both textbook Zionism and decades-old expansion paradigns is an obsolete strategy that ignores many of the most ominous developments of the last two decades. To this extent the Israelis are intoned by their own immutability, and the dead-weight of policies that will only serve to threaten the very foundations of their tentative state...

 

[ForeverYoung436]

While I might cheerfully advocate a Jewish State under any just and beneficial set of conditions---geo-political safe-zone, relative stability of neighboring states, military and financial independence, diplomatic autonomy--the historical set of conditions by which Israel sprang to life and is further maintained has merely served to corrupt Judaism both politically and morally, and implicate the United States in an emblematic morass that serves to undermine its select diplomatic rhetoric of cultivating "fledgling democracies" in the region. The time-line remains the most resolute threat to the Israeli interests, and under normal considerations of self-interest it is unthinkable that the extraordinary political, diplomatic and military advantages of the Israelis were not employed to broker a modest two-state resolution decades ago, and most assuredly one in which Israel retained a remarkable advantage. Herin lies the pathological component of the Israeli leadership: pursuing agravated--and conversely aggravating---policies that have their antecedents in both textbook Zionism and decades-old expansion paradigns is an obsolete strategy that ignores many of the most ominous developments of the last two decades. To this extent the Israelis are intoned by their own immutability, and the dead-weight of policies that will only serve to threaten the very foundations of their tentative state...

So what do you suggest that Israel do? And dumb it down a little, the people on this Board are not too bright.

 

[pbel]

A just honorable peace you say? The ZioNista are planning to Mug you, watch...

 

[SAYIT]

A just honorable peace you say? The ZioNista are planning to Mug you, watch...

Dayam, you are such a dim twit. Tell me you don't recognize that POSter in sheep's clothing.

 

[pbel]

It could be the poster the that you along with others silenced because of your fear of truth or criticism...Gang up your usual ploy and get him/her censored!

 

[DreyfussRan]

While I might cheerfully advocate a Jewish State under any just and beneficial set of conditions---geo-political safe-zone, relative stability of neighboring states, military and financial independence, diplomatic autonomy--the historical set of conditions by which Israel sprang to life and is further maintained has merely served to corrupt Judaism both politically and morally, and implicate the United States in an emblematic morass that serves to undermine its select diplomatic rhetoric of cultivating "fledgling democracies" in the region. The time-line remains the most resolute threat to the Israeli interests, and under normal considerations of self-interest it is unthinkable that the extraordinary political, diplomatic and military advantages of the Israelis were not employed to broker a modest two-state resolution decades ago, and most assuredly one in which Israel retained a remarkable advantage. Herin lies the pathological component of the Israeli leadership: pursuing agravated--and conversely aggravating---policies that have their antecedents in both textbook Zionism and decades-old expansion paradigns is an obsolete strategy that ignores many of the most ominous developments of the last two decades. To this extent the Israelis are intoned by their own immutability, and the dead-weight of policies that will only serve to threaten the very foundations of their tentative state...

So what do you suggest that Israel do? And dumb it down a little, the people on this Board are not too bright.

Israel has literally had decades to establish a negotiated settlement on purely its own terms...insiders have known this for years, as have Israeli leaders...the problem is that peace has no critical role in the Zionist agenda, and those who routinely claim that Israel only desires a peaceful settlement with secure borders are either politically expedient liars, or they are as blissfully programmed as the hapless Zionist chrous that facilitates the on-board echo-chamber. The real agenda is difficult to miss...early Zionsit leaders were quite forthright in their designs for the territory...nothing that has happened since has departed from these designs

 

[SAYIT]

While I might cheerfully advocate a Jewish State under any just and beneficial set of conditions---geo-political safe-zone, relative stability of neighboring states, military and financial independence, diplomatic autonomy--the historical set of conditions by which Israel sprang to life and is further maintained has merely served to corrupt Judaism both politically and morally, and implicate the United States in an emblematic morass that serves to undermine its select diplomatic rhetoric of cultivating "fledgling democracies" in the region. The time-line remains the most resolute threat to the Israeli interests, and under normal considerations of self-interest it is unthinkable that the extraordinary political, diplomatic and military advantages of the Israelis were not employed to broker a modest two-state resolution decades ago, and most assuredly one in which Israel retained a remarkable advantage. Herin lies the pathological component of the Israeli leadership: pursuing agravated--and conversely aggravating---policies that have their antecedents in both textbook Zionism and decades-old expansion paradigns is an obsolete strategy that ignores many of the most ominous developments of the last two decades. To this extent the Israelis are intoned by their own immutability, and the dead-weight of policies that will only serve to threaten the very foundations of their tentative state...

So what do you suggest that Israel do? And dumb it down a little, the people on this Board are not too bright.

Israel has literally had decades to establish a negotiated settlement on purely its own terms...insiders have known this for years, as have Israeli leaders...the problem is that peace has no critical role in the Zionist agenda, and those who routinely claim that Israel only desires a peaceful settlement with secure borders are either politically expedient liars, or they are as blissfully programmed as the hapless Zionist chrous that facilitates the on-board echo-chamber. The real agenda is difficult to miss...early Zionsit leaders were quite forthright in their designs for the territory...nothing that has happened since has departed from these designs

Woo, that didn't take long. You are already down to "sucking off goats" again, Princess.
Do you think maybe this board has your number?

 

[pbel]

Sniffer:Woo, that didn't take long. You are already down to "sucking off goats" again, Princess.
Do you think maybe this board has your number?


Yup, that's what you are here: a cheer leader leading your group in unison in your rep game of discrediting anyone who speaks against you or Israeli policies.

 

[sealadaigh]

While I might cheerfully advocate a Jewish State under any just and beneficial set of conditions---geo-political safe-zone, relative stability of neighboring states, military and financial independence, diplomatic autonomy--the historical set of conditions by which Israel sprang to life and is further maintained has merely served to corrupt Judaism both politically and morally, and implicate the United States in an emblematic morass that serves to undermine its select diplomatic rhetoric of cultivating "fledgling democracies" in the region. The time-line remains the most resolute threat to the Israeli interests, and under normal considerations of self-interest it is unthinkable that the extraordinary political, diplomatic and military advantages of the Israelis were not employed to broker a modest two-state resolution decades ago, and most assuredly one in which Israel retained a remarkable advantage. Herin lies the pathological component of the Israeli leadership: pursuing agravated--and conversely aggravating---policies that have their antecedents in both textbook Zionism and decades-old expansion paradigns is an obsolete strategy that ignores many of the most ominous developments of the last two decades. To this extent the Israelis are intoned by their own immutability, and the dead-weight of policies that will only serve to threaten the very foundations of their tentative state...

So what do you suggest that Israel do? And dumb it down a little, the people on this Board are not too bright.

the question was asked in "the clean debate zone" exactly what the israrlis would need to satisfy their goals and still provide tor a viable palestinian state. the question was asked several times and none of the jews/zionists could come up with anything that resembled an answer.

i would suggest that israel live up to the agreements they made with a third party, the UN, in both UNGA resolution 181 and UNGA resolution 273, which as resolutions are nonbinding but as agreements are binding.

or to dumb it down, israel should return to the borders established in november, 1947 and comply with the agreements they made with, not only the arab states, but with the nations of the world. were they to do that, they would receive full recognition by the arab states that they want and would receive the blesings of the world as well. that would be a very good beginning, leaving only the "right of return" as a stumbling block, and that is not as big of an issue as it seems.

you would also silence people like me. i would defend israeli actions were such a viable treaty/agreement be arrived at. israel however, today, continues to leave me, and the world, and most importantly, the palestinians with the choice as to who gets pushed into the sea.

 

[SAYIT]

Sniffer:Woo, that didn't take long. You are already down to "sucking off goats" again, Princess.
Do you think maybe this board has your number?


Yup, that's what you are here: a cheer leader leading your group in unison in your rep game of discrediting anyone who speaks against you or Israeli policies.

Face it, Princess, you're just embarrassed to have fallen for Skit's tricks.
Yeah, you are always a raging idiot.

 

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We don't Discuss Other Message Boards here, or Their Content.

 

[SAYIT]

While I might cheerfully advocate a Jewish State under any just and beneficial set of conditions---geo-political safe-zone, relative stability of neighboring states, military and financial independence, diplomatic autonomy--the historical set of conditions by which Israel sprang to life and is further maintained has merely served to corrupt Judaism both politically and morally, and implicate the United States in an emblematic morass that serves to undermine its select diplomatic rhetoric of cultivating "fledgling democracies" in the region. The time-line remains the most resolute threat to the Israeli interests, and under normal considerations of self-interest it is unthinkable that the extraordinary political, diplomatic and military advantages of the Israelis were not employed to broker a modest two-state resolution decades ago, and most assuredly one in which Israel retained a remarkable advantage. Herin lies the pathological component of the Israeli leadership: pursuing agravated--and conversely aggravating---policies that have their antecedents in both textbook Zionism and decades-old expansion paradigns is an obsolete strategy that ignores many of the most ominous developments of the last two decades. To this extent the Israelis are intoned by their own immutability, and the dead-weight of policies that will only serve to threaten the very foundations of their tentative state...

So what do you suggest that Israel do? And dumb it down a little, the people on this Board are not too bright.

the question was asked in "the clean debate zone" exactly what the israrlis would need to satisfy their goals and still provide tor a viable palestinian state. the question was asked several times and none of the jews/zionists could come up with anything that resembled an answer.

i would suggest that israel live up to the agreements they made with a third party, the UN, in both UNGA resolution 181 and UNGA resolution 273, which as resolutions are nonbinding but as agreements are binding.

or to dumb it down, israel should return to the borders established in november, 1947 and comply with the agreements they made with, not only the arab states, but with the nations of the world. were they to do that, they would receive full recognition by the arab states that they want and would receive the blesings of the world as well. that would be a very good beginning, leaving only the "right of return" as a stumbling block, and that is not as big of an issue as it seems.

you would also silence people like me. i would defend israeli actions were such a viable treaty/agreement be arrived at. israel however, today, continues to leave me, and the world, and most importantly, the palestinians with the choice as to who gets pushed into the sea.

Not a word of your screed has anything in common with facts or the truth.
I don't know what "the clean zone" is but given you proven lack of integrity it is certain your opinion of what you read there is of little value.
Not only was UN 181 non-binding, it was violently rejected by those "peaceful" Arabs who declared it to be "null and void.
And what would make any rational human being think that returning to the borders suggested by 181 would cause the Arabs to peacefully accept the Jewish Homeland existence?
Frankly, you clearly know absolutely nothing about the past 65 years.

 

[pbel]

Sniffer:Woo, that didn't take long. You are already down to "sucking off goats" again, Princess.
Do you think maybe this board has your number?


Yup, that's what you are here: a cheer leader leading your group in unison in your rep game of discrediting anyone who speaks against you or Israeli policies.

Face it, Princess, you're just embarrassed to have fallen for Skit's tricks.
Yeah, you are always a raging idiot.

The only raging idiot is you...Do you really think that Skit changing screen names bothers me? God only knows how many screen names you have used.

Keep pounding your princess foible and don't get caught peeking under public bathroom stalls!

 

[irosie91]

someone save the ran/skit post It is a masterpiece
of utter meaningless. I know that some author could use it
for its sheer nonsensical wordiness

 

[SAYIT]

Sniffer:Woo, that didn't take long. You are already down to "sucking off goats" again, Princess.
Do you think maybe this board has your number?


Yup, that's what you are here: a cheer leader leading your group in unison in your rep game of discrediting anyone who speaks against you or Israeli policies.

The POSter in question (Skit) is a dime-a-dozen Nazi skank who cares nothing for those hapless "Palestinians" and has spent years spewing his mindless hate for Jews.
The reason you religiously lick his cajones is because he spews the hate you are afraid to.

 

[pbel]

Sniffer:Woo, that didn't take long. You are already down to "sucking off goats" again, Princess.
Do you think maybe this board has your number?


Yup, that's what you are here: a cheer leader leading your group in unison in your rep game of discrediting anyone who speaks against you or Israeli policies.

The POSter in question (Skit) is a dime-a-dozen Nazi skank who cares nothing for those hapless "Palestinians" and has spent years spewing his mindless hate for Jews.
The reason you religiously lick his cajones is because he spews the hate you are afraid to.

The reason you are a complete idiot is because you claim that if someone hates Jews then it negates any veracity in their post.

It is your hate that fuels your enthusiastic posts of all things right with Israel. I lick cajones? You lick AH.

 

[SAYIT]

Sniffer:Woo, that didn't take long. You are already down to "sucking off goats" again, Princess.
Do you think maybe this board has your number?

Yup, that's what you are here: a cheer leader leading your group in unison in your rep game of discrediting anyone who speaks against you or Israeli policies.

Face it, Princess, you're just embarrassed to have fallen for Skit's tricks.
Yeah, you are always a raging idiot.

The only raging idiot is you...Do you really think that Skit changing screen names bothers me? God only knows how many screen names you have used.

Keep pounding your princess foible and don't get caught peeking under public bathroom stalls!

As already noted, you are just embarrassed because you fell (once again) for Skit's tricks and his changing SN's (or even his pathetic existence) are of no significance to anyone. What he consistently displays - and what I'm pointing out - is his dishonest nature and extreme cowardice (and you just don't get it). The guy is a inveterate liar, Princess, and you just like him 'cause he hates Jews as much or perhaps a bit more than you do.

 

[irosie91]

Sniffer:Woo, that didn't take long. You are already down to "sucking off goats" again, Princess.
Do you think maybe this board has your number?


Yup, that's what you are here: a cheer leader leading your group in unison in your rep game of discrediting anyone who speaks against you or Israeli policies.

The POSter in question (Skit) is a dime-a-dozen Nazi skank who cares nothing for those hapless "Palestinians" and has spent years spewing his mindless hate for Jews.
The reason you religiously lick his cajones is because he spews the hate you are afraid to.

The reason you are a complete idiot is because you claim that if someone hates Jews

then it negates any veracity in their post.

It is your hate that fuels your enthusiastic posts of all things right with Israel. I lick cajones? You lick AH.

Can you extract a sentence from that skit post that either makes sense or
contains "veracity"???

 

[DreyfussRan]

To provide an answer to these baseless and provocative chages that I am another seasoned poster in disguise ( skit ), I can only opine that this appears to be some sort of a silencing ploy on the part of the Zionists...the primary function of the Zionist argument is to discredit any level of commentary that fails to adhere to the manufactured historical and political narrative they have invented, and to brazenly characterize all criticisms of the Jewish State as "antisemitism"...ironically these are Fascist tactics with antecedents in Mussolini's Italy...how refreshing that the Zionists have borrowed the polemics of Fascists and the ground policies of the SS

 

[DreyfussRan]

The POSter in question (Skit) is a dime-a-dozen Nazi skank who cares nothing for those hapless "Palestinians" and has spent years spewing his mindless hate for Jews.
The reason you religiously lick his cajones is because he spews the hate you are afraid to.

The reason you are a complete idiot is because you claim that if someone hates Jews

then it negates any veracity in their post.

It is your hate that fuels your enthusiastic posts of all things right with Israel. I lick cajones? You lick AH.

Can you extract a sentence from that skit post that either makes sense or
contains "veracity"???

I dare say that it is most instructive that you fail to comprehend even so much as a sentence in my opening remarks, yet possess the faculty to churn out mindless diatribes and dizzying non-sequiturs laced with "islamo" this and "Islamo" that...odd that non-Zionists don't seem to experience any difficulty with comprehension...must be a Zionist thing...