Internment of Japanese-Americans During World War II

[protectionist]

I would oppose it with everything I have.

Sure, because you're a liberal (who have no sense of national security)

 

[Coyote]

I would oppose it with everything I have.

Sure, because you're a liberal (who have no sense of national security)

I think anyone who supports it - like you, should volunteer to be included.

 

[rightwinger]

Show me all the Republicans who demanded their release

Opposition to it wasn't well organized, but it was there, for example many churches opposed it: An Eloquent Baptist Protest Against Internment Camps During WWII

One nottable republican was Colorado Governor Ralph Carr: Articles: The Lone Politician Who Stood against Japanese Internment
He was not supported by his party in this and stood largely alone.

Governor Carr spoke out stridently against the internment of Japanese-Americans as "inhumane and unconstitutional." He compiled numerous documents consisting of his personal communications with Japanese inmates at the Amache facility, their family members, and other citizens who were concerned about their treatment. A Republican, Carr supported Roosevelt's war efforts, but he openly questioned the internment of Japanese-American citizens. In his speeches and writings he opposed measures that stripped Japanese-Americans of their civil rights, not to mention their personal property, and which treated them as war criminals. He pressed against the popular tide of racism and fear that produced things like highway billboards that screamed "Japs Keep Going!" Though unable to override the military's authority to imprison innocent Japanese-Americans in his state, Carr worked tirelessly as an advocate, not to mention to help them retain their status as American citizens.

Interestingly, Governor Carr's advocacy for the rights and dignity of Japanese-Americans ended his political career. Governor Carr was an effective fiscal reformer and helped the state of Colorado become more efficient and effective. He had hoped to gain a seat in the United States Senate following his term as governor. But as an honest man, he spoke harshly to the baser motives that led to the Japanese internment program. "If you harm them, you must harm me. I was brought up in a small town where I knew the shame and dishonor of race hatred. I grew to despise it because it threatened the happiness of you, and you, and you!" His stinging words were not well-taken, and he lost his bid for political office after just one term as the governor of Colorado.​

The conditions in those camps were many times substandard: Treatment in Internment Camps - Home

It's unbelievable people would support this today, for yet another group of innocent American citizens.

There were a small percentage of Americans who opposed the camps or stood up fort their Japanese neighbors and Carr was one of the few politicians who stood up for what was right. Even the courts tasked with standing up for Constitutional rights ignored them

The world was in an uproar in 1942. Protecting the rights of those viewed as enemies was not a high priority

And I hope we don't repeat this injustice....

We are closer today to 1942 than we have been in the last 70 years

I would oppose it with everything I have.

1942 was a different time
We openly lived with and accepted racism in our daily lives

As bad as the internment camps were, they only lasted two years. When they were gone we maintained our segregated society for another 20 years

 

[protectionist]

Any person with integrity and a love for our Constitution would fight it.

FALSE! Islam is unconstitutional. If you love the Constitution, you can only be in favor of enforcing the ban on Islam that has existed for 225 years (close all mosques; eradicate all Korans)

 

[protectionist]

I think anyone who supports it - like you, should volunteer to be included.

I'm not a Muslim.

 

[protectionist]

Dorthea Lange kept a photographic record of the internment camps - long lines of well dressed people with numbers around their next, horse stables used for housing...she was threatened and censored for it.

Liberals love to yammer about what they perceive as injustices to minorities, that existed long in the past. But not a word against the rampant racial discrimination against whites - in affirmative action.

 

[protectionist]

1942 was a different time
We openly lived with and accepted racism in our daily lives

As bad as the internment camps were, they only lasted two years. When they were gone we maintained our segregated society for another 20 years

The internment wasn't racism. There were some American Japs who were interned, who where white.

 

[Coyote]

Home Sweet Home

“As a result of the interview, my family name was reduced to No. 13660. I was given several tags bearing the family number, and was then dismissed…. Baggage was piled on the sidewalk the full length of the block. Greyhound buses were lined alongside the curb.”

“The Japanese race is an enemy race and while many second and third generation Japanese born on American soil, possessed of American citizenship, have be come ‘Americanized,’ the racial strains are undiluted.

…It, therefore, follows that along the vital Pacific Coast over 112,000 potential enemies, of Japanese extraction, are at large today. There are indications that these are organized and ready for concerted action at a favorable opportunity.

The very fact that no sabotage has taken place to date is a disturbing and confirming indication that such action will be taken.”
General John DeWitt, commander of the Western Theater of Operations

“We walked in and dropped our things inside the entrance. The place was in semidarkness; light barely came through the dirty window on the other side of the entrance.… The rear room had housed the horse and the front room the fodder. Both rooms showed signs of a hurried whitewashing. Spider webs, horse hair, and hay had been whitewashed with the walls. Huge spikes and nails stuck out all over the walls. A two-inch layer of dust covered the floor.… We heard someone crying in the next stall.”
— Mine Okubo, Tanforan Assembly Center, San Bruno

“When we got to Manzanar, it was getting dark and we were given numbers first. We went down to the mess hall, and I remember the first meal we were given in those tin plates and tin cups. It was canned wieners and canned spinach. It was all the food we had, and then after finishing that we were taken to our barracks.

It was dark and trenches were here and there. You’d fall in and get up and finally got to the barracks. The floors were boarded, but the were about a quarter to half inch apart, and the next morning you could see the ground below.

The next morning, the first morning in Manzanar, when I woke up and saw what Manzanar looked like, I just cried. And then I saw the mountain, the high Sierra Mountain, just like my native country’s mountain, and I just cried, that’s all.

I couldn’t think about anything.”
— Yuri Tateishi, Manzanar Relocation Center

“Without any hearings, without due process of law…, without any charges filed against us, without any evidence of wrongdoing on our part, one hundred and ten thousand innocent people were kicked out of their homes, literally uprooted from where they have lived for the greater part of their lives, and herded like dangerous criminals into concentration camps with barb wire fencing and military police guarding it.”
— A statement by The Fair Play Committee, organized by Kiyoshi Okamoto at Heart Mountain Relocation Center in Wyoming, after Secretary of War Stimson announced on January 20, 1944 that nisei, formerly classed as “aliens not acceptable to the armed forces,” would be subject to the draft

“I remember having to stay at the dirty horse stables at Santa Anita. I remember thinking, ‘Am I a human being? Why are we being treated like this?’ Santa Anita stunk like hell.… Sometimes I want to tell this government to go to hell. This government can never repay all the people who suffered. But, this should not be an excuse for token apologies. I hope this country will never forget what happened, and do what it can to make sure that future generations will never forget.”
— Albert Kurihara, Santa Anita Assembly Center, Los Angeles & Poston Relocation Center, Arizona

 

[Coyote]

Opposition to it wasn't well organized, but it was there, for example many churches opposed it: An Eloquent Baptist Protest Against Internment Camps During WWII

One nottable republican was Colorado Governor Ralph Carr: Articles: The Lone Politician Who Stood against Japanese Internment
He was not supported by his party in this and stood largely alone.

Governor Carr spoke out stridently against the internment of Japanese-Americans as "inhumane and unconstitutional." He compiled numerous documents consisting of his personal communications with Japanese inmates at the Amache facility, their family members, and other citizens who were concerned about their treatment. A Republican, Carr supported Roosevelt's war efforts, but he openly questioned the internment of Japanese-American citizens. In his speeches and writings he opposed measures that stripped Japanese-Americans of their civil rights, not to mention their personal property, and which treated them as war criminals. He pressed against the popular tide of racism and fear that produced things like highway billboards that screamed "Japs Keep Going!" Though unable to override the military's authority to imprison innocent Japanese-Americans in his state, Carr worked tirelessly as an advocate, not to mention to help them retain their status as American citizens.

Interestingly, Governor Carr's advocacy for the rights and dignity of Japanese-Americans ended his political career. Governor Carr was an effective fiscal reformer and helped the state of Colorado become more efficient and effective. He had hoped to gain a seat in the United States Senate following his term as governor. But as an honest man, he spoke harshly to the baser motives that led to the Japanese internment program. "If you harm them, you must harm me. I was brought up in a small town where I knew the shame and dishonor of race hatred. I grew to despise it because it threatened the happiness of you, and you, and you!" His stinging words were not well-taken, and he lost his bid for political office after just one term as the governor of Colorado.​

The conditions in those camps were many times substandard: Treatment in Internment Camps - Home

It's unbelievable people would support this today, for yet another group of innocent American citizens.

There were a small percentage of Americans who opposed the camps or stood up fort their Japanese neighbors and Carr was one of the few politicians who stood up for what was right. Even the courts tasked with standing up for Constitutional rights ignored them

The world was in an uproar in 1942. Protecting the rights of those viewed as enemies was not a high priority

And I hope we don't repeat this injustice....

We are closer today to 1942 than we have been in the last 70 years

I would oppose it with everything I have.

1942 was a different time
We openly lived with and accepted racism in our daily lives

As bad as the internment camps were, they only lasted two years. When they were gone we maintained our segregated society for another 20 years

Yes we did.

But people are calling for a rerun of 1942.

 

[Coyote]

Dorthea Lange kept a photographic record of the internment camps - long lines of well dressed people with numbers around their next, horse stables used for housing...she was threatened and censored for it.

Liberals love to yammer about what they perceive as injustices to minorities, that existed long in the past. But not a word against the rampant racial discrimination against whites - in affirmative action.

Let me know when they're sent to internment camps ya?

 

[Coyote]

I think anyone who supports it - like you, should volunteer to be included.

I'm not a Muslim.

Oh. So you're not willing to step forward and have your rights stripped even though you've committed no crime? Coward.

 

[protectionist]

Let me know when they're sent to internment camps ya?

A whole LIFETIME of severely reduced living standard, including the retirement years, is a lot worse than 3 years in an internment camp. That 3 years couldn't be anywhere near as tough as the years I spent as an MOS 12B20 (Combat Construction Specialist) in the Army. Did the interned Japs ever have to build an M4T6 bridge ? Or a Bailey bridge ? Thge ones who really had it tough were the ones who honorably served in the military.

 

[Coyote]

Let me know when they're sent to internment camps ya?

A whole LIFETIME of severely reduced living standard, including the retirement years, is a lot worse than 3 years in an internment camp. That 3 years couldn't be anywhere near as tough as the years I spent as an MOS 12B20 (Combat construction Specialist) in the Army. Did the interned Japs ever have to build an M4T6 bridge ? Or a Bailey bridge ? Thge ones who really had it tough were the ones who honorably served in the military.

Again....please show me when they were stripped of their rights and sent to live behind barbed wire in internment camps. That's truly pathetic comparison.

 

[protectionist]

Oh. So you're not willing to step forward and have your rights stripped even though you've committed no crime? Coward.

Why SHOULD I be willing to do that ? There's no reason. For the Muslims there is a reason. >> Islam.

 

[bripat9643]

There were a small percentage of Americans who opposed the camps or stood up fort their Japanese neighbors and Carr was one of the few politicians who stood up for what was right. Even the courts tasked with standing up for Constitutional rights ignored them

The world was in an uproar in 1942. Protecting the rights of those viewed as enemies was not a high priority

National security trumps civil rights. Tough to accept, but it's true. You don't retain to many rights if you're DEAD.

Bullshit. One reason politicians love wars is the fact that there are so many people in this country who are willing to trade their rights away from some bogus security.

 

[bripat9643]

As if the American West Coast had ever been in serious danger of a cross-ocean adversary!

They thought the same thing about Pearl Harbor.

 

[Coyote]

Oh. So you're not willing to step forward and have your rights stripped even though you've committed no crime? Coward.

Why SHOULD I be willing to do that ? There's no reason. For the Muslims there is a reason. >> Islam.

I would think that anyone who advocates innocent American citizens being stripped of their rights, freedom, jobs for an undetermined amount of time should be willing to make an example of how "patriotic" it is by setting an example putting himself under those conditions.

Otherwise you're nothing more than a gutless coward who is willing to do to other people what he isn't willing to endure himself.

 

[protectionist]

Again....please show me when they were stripped of their rights and sent to live behind barbed wire in internment camps. That's truly pathetic comparison.

What they endured, is a drop in the bucket compared to a LIFETIME of semi-poverty due to affirmative action racism (which you support ?) It's also a drop in the bucket compared to being a construction worker in the army. One day on an M4T6 bridge is worse than 3 years in an internment camp. Same with the, almost as bad, Bailey Bridge (AKA "the beast")

PS - ALL members o the military are stripped of their rights for every day they are in the military. Instead if the Constitution, they live under the UCMJ, and military life is quite oppressive. Try it some time.

PPS - speaking of barbed wire. Ever go through the Army boot camp's infiltration course ?

 

[Coyote]

Again....please show me when they were stripped of their rights and sent to live behind barbed wire in internment camps. That's truly pathetic comparison.

What they endured, is a drop in the bucket compared to a LIFETIME of semi-poverty due to affirmative action racism (which you support ?) It's also a drop in the bucket compared to being a construction worker in the army. One day on an M4T6 bridge is worse than 3 years in an internment camp. Same with the, almost as bad, Bailey Bridge (AKA "the beast")

PS - ALL members o the military are stripped of their rights for every day they are in the military. Instead if the Constitution, they live under the UCMJ, and military life is quite oppressive. Try it some time.

PPS - speaking of barbed wire. Ever go through the Army boot camp's infiltration course ?

Stop trying to change the subject

This is about Japanese Internment not the horrors of boot camp and being an army construction worker

 

[protectionist]

I would think that anyone who advocates innocent American citizens being stripped of their rights, freedom, jobs for an undetermined amount of time should be willing to make an example of how "patriotic" it is by setting an example putting himself under those conditions.

Otherwise you're nothing more than a gutless coward who is willing to do to other people what he isn't willing to endure himself.

All of us who have served in the military have lived "under those conditions", and a whole lot worse.