Internet Crimes

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    Since the internet limits one to uploading and downloading content, what criminal acts can be committed using only the 'net?

    * Any crime of speech. E.g., offering a bribe or attempting to extort.

    * Bullying. Chasing another person around a site or from site to site, flaming them, encouraging others to do so, etc. Bullying itself has not yet been criminalized. But underlying crimes can included stalking, harrassment, some forms of sexual predation, etc.

    * Threats. Any threat specific to a member and specific as to harm, especially harm to be inflicted by illegal means. E.g., "get off this site or I will hack into your bank account".

    Let the discussion begin, folks.
     
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    Don't forget offering a $1000 reward for a posters real name and address, because they were mad they got neg repped!
     
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    Here on USMB, Ma'am? Unless it was VERY obvious the poster was joking, I would think that would get someone in trouble. That's a stupid joke -- like playing at having a bomb whilst on airport grounds.

    Merely asking for data mining services is not per se illegal. But since nobody can do a background on any USMB-er without hacking USMB's servers, that's an offer to pay money in exchange for a criminal act. It is not a bribe, per se, because bribes are only offered to people "acting under color of law". But ANY step forward by a 2nd person and that's Conspiracy.

    Any internet crime that also involves ANY activity in real life is VERY likely to result in a long prison sentence for anyone involved. The students who harrassed Phoebe Prince until she suicided are about to find that out, to their sorrow.
     
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    Only $1000? Cheap stuff......
     
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    Wouldn't matter if the offer was a penny, or there was no offer and only a mere request. My answer would not change.
     
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    i like the cut of your jib madeline. you like dirty old men?

    i beez a hippie artist with a generous and fun audience, a trust account AND health care coverage.

    the internet crimes you mention are so trivial that with the staffing levels available to high tech crime teams of the various agencies, they are below threshold for any criminal action.

    the FBI requires actual damage in excess of $50 K to open an investigation. they were already overwhelmed by illegal pornography and financial crimes before the war on terrorism got ramped up.

    victims are invariably directed to consult an attorney and seek relief through civil process.

    then you also encounter privacy policies of service providers to contend with in attempting to acquire legal information about the person or persons harming you.

    one crime i encounter in my e-mail and the mail of my clients and associates is the advance fee fraud letter sometimes called the nigerian 419 scam. these and the lottery scams are not prosecuted by any agency i know of. i ran into one that was actually a mass snail mailing that was reporting losses in the 10's of millions and there was no prosecution or attempt to investigate.

    the extremist dung flinging monkeys that inhabit this and similar boards are non-entities pushing their grist through the mill.


    grin and bear it and seek out the folks who have a little more highly refined social graces and expressive abilities.
     
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    One client of mine has terminal breast cancer and revealed that on a social networking site. Some sadist got ahold of the information and harrassed her along with 500 of her closest friends. All over the site, and from site to site. When she does pass on, she has left instructions with her husband to contact me. We will be seeking wrongful death damages, because that stress shortened her life. Should commence this year, sadly.

    Every time you log on to a web site you invisibly stamp it with your Internet Protocol address. This number is unique to you, at that ISP terminal, and with it I can find anyone. Believe me, proof will not be a problem.

    You're quite right about most law enforcement agencies. Nothing will be done, most times. UNLESS:

    * Threats involve real life -- e.g., you receive an email from your harrasser which contains an image of your home. They had to drive by your house to take that photo.

    * Real life impact is severe. In at least two cases of suicide, the harrasser is sitting in prison now. More will be joining them shortly.

    Anyone who comes onto a political message board with delicate little feelings should get off it -- that was an unwise decision. This is not a great place for the faint of heart, and I am not advocating we all commence suing anyone here who insults us.

    But we CAN sue anyone who threatens us. Successfully. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt.

    Are ya feeling me yet, the USMB-er who inspired this thread?

    BTW, tommywho, older men are very sexy. Everyone knows that.

    *Winks*
     
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    i haven't even absorbed and sorted out the who's who and what's what of the posting patterns, diatribes and gangs of the more devolutionary of the critters that inhabit this little corner of the web yet, but i haven't seen anything even approaching what you allude to here.

    the most loathsome is still pretty bland, childish and redundant.
     
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    As with almost any site, there's a back channel here, tommywho. You ain't seeing everything, just what is posted in public.

    But if it would be criminal if said on a thread, it is STILL criminal if said in the back channel. In some circumstances, even moreso.
     
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    well first off, an IP does not mean you can find anyone. In fact, chances are low. If someone uses a public computer, or even a computer on a shared home network, like if they have several roommates all sharing the same router, you can't track down one person. Even then, many ISPs cycle IP addresses and either don't disclose them, or can't really narrow it down for you.

    But real crimes can occur on the internet. Money changes hands very readily, and can be stolen, for example.
     

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