Interesting parallels with the Canadian fight for universal healthcare

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    Tommy Douglas is considered the father of Canadian healthcare....

    Douglas's number one concern was the creation of Medicare. In the summer of 1962, Saskatchewan became the centre of a hard-fought struggle between the provincial government, the North American medical establishment, and the province's physicians, who brought things to a halt with the 1962 Saskatchewan Doctors' Strike. The doctors believed their best interests were not being met and feared a significant loss of income as well as government interference in medical care decisions even though Douglas agreed that his government would pay the going rate for service that doctors charged. The medical establishment claimed that Douglas would import foreign doctors to make his plan work and used racist images to try to scare the public.Their defenders have also argued that private or government medical insurance plans covered 60 to 63 percent of the Saskatchewan population before Medicare legislation was introduced.

    Tommy Douglas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Just apart from the main topic, what a fascinating man! They don't make politicians like that any more.
     
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    That is why he is so loved in Canada.
     
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    And, in a related story, my favorite endorsement of Canadian healthcare:

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    I meet a lot of Canadians who are visiting my area. When I meet them, I always ask them about their healthcare system.

    I have yet to meet one that doesn't like it.
     
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    me neither!
    I have a lot of canadian that come into my work because we are near the border and none of them say they don't like it. I asked a lady who is a nurse and she didn't have one bad thing to say about it.
    I remember when I was twenty going up to BC to drink and these two guys were ripping on us about our health care. I don't think I have ever talked to a canadian who didn't like their health care.
     
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    I hear that a great deal. The problem is not that it's ancedotal, I'll give you some anecdotals too, but the concept of healthcare insurance itself.

    It should protect you form the big healthproblem and the losses it causes, such as bankruptcy. If you ask that much smaller group, who has has serious health problems- not co-pay or broken arms, you would get a different response.

    "Mountain-bike enthusiast Suzanne Aucoin had to fight more than her Stage IV colon cancer. Her doctor suggested Erbitux—a proven cancer drug that targets cancer cells exclusively, unlike conventional chemotherapies that more crudely kill all fast-growing cells in the body—and Aucoin went to a clinic to begin treatment. But if Erbitux offered hope, Aucoin’s insurance didn’t: she received one inscrutable form letter after another, rejecting her claim for reimbursement. Yet another example of the callous hand of managed care, depriving someone of needed medical help, right? Guess again. Erbitux is standard treatment, covered by insurance companies—in the United States. Aucoin lives in Ontario, Canada.

    Rick Baker helps people, and sometimes even saves lives. He describes a man who had a seizure and received a diagnosis of epilepsy. Dissatisfied with the opinion—he had no family history of epilepsy, but he did have constant headaches and nausea, which aren’t usually seen in the disorder—the man requested an MRI. The government told him that the wait would be four and a half months. So he went to Baker, who arranged to have the MRI done within 24 hours—and who, after the test discovered a brain tumor, arranged surgery within a few weeks.

    Timely Medical Alternatives, has helped—people like the elderly woman who needed vascular surgery for a major artery in her abdomen and was promised prompt care by one of the most senior bureaucrats in the government, who never called back. “Her doctor told her she’s going to die,” Baker remembers. So Timely got her surgery in a couple of days, in Washington State. Then there was the eight-year-old badly in need of a procedure to help correct her deafness. After watching her surgery get bumped three times, her parents called Timely.
    The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care by David Gratzer, City Journal Summer 2007

    Holmes (see video below) was diagnosed with brain cancer, with her vision deteriorating rapidly, but was placed on the treatment waiting lists common to health care in socialist countries. While the average wait time for many procedures can run 18 months or more, Holmes actually made out pretty good by only having to wait 6 months for surgery for her brain tumor.
    Rather than wait like a good little subject, she came to the States and got the health care she needed within three weeks. You know, the United States health care system liberals claim is so broken it must be replaced with a government system…you know, kinda like the one in Canada.
    http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/06/where-can-americans-go-for-treatment-under-govt-health-care/


    Minor problem: Canada

    Major health problem: get to the US of A!
     
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    Really? Then why do we have a death rate of 40 per one hundred thousand children from respitory diseases, but Canada has less than 1 per one hundred thousand. Do we love our children less? Or is it that most young families are at entry level jobs with no health insurance?

    I constantly read the Conservatives horror stories concerning other nations Health Care Systems. Then look at the stats, when even little Costa Rica has much better stats than we do, and have to wonder what it is that they are pushing.
     
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    Anyone living in the border of Canada notice the Canadian refugees fleeing into the USA to take advantage of our wonderful heath care systems?

    No?

    Me, neither.

    Another Republican myth shot down in flames by reality.
     
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    Then how about you read my post just above for enlightenment.
     

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