10 nation healthcare poll

[Chris]

The Harris Poll® #71, July 2, 2008

Health Care Systems in Ten Developed Countries: The U.S. System Is Most Unpopular and Dutch System the Most Popular
In all ten countries substantial, mostly overwhelming, majorities want fundamental reforms or more

Several recent surveys by Harris Interactive®, including the latest Financial Times/Harris Poll, asked an identical question of cross-sections of adults in ten developed countries about their own health care systems. This research finds that the United States has the most unpopular system:

Fully 33 percent of Americans believe that the American system "has so much wrong with it that we need to completely rebuild it", and a further 50 percent think that "fundamental changes are needed to make it work better";
In the other nine countries those who believe they need to completely rebuild their systems vary from only nine percent in The Netherlands and 12 percent in Spain to 15 percent in France, 17 percent in New Zealand, 18 percent in Australia and 20 percent in Italy; all well below the 33 percent in this country.
The data for this ten-country comparison comes from three different sources, published separately. The data for France, Italy, Spain and Germany come from an FT/Harris Poll conducted in June 2008 for the Financial Times. The data for the United States and Great Britain come from a Harris Interactive survey conducted for the International Herald Tribune and France 24 in May 2008. The data for The Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia come from a Harris Interactive survey conducted for The Commonwealth Fund between March and May 2007.

In every country just over 1,000 adults were surveyed either by telephone (the Netherlands, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) or online (the USA, Britain, France, Italy, Spain and Germany). Using these survey results, there are at least two ways to rank the popularity of the systems in these ten countries. One way is based on those who want to "completely rebuild" the system, as follows:

TABLE A: THOSE WHO WANT TO COMPLETELY REBUILD THE SYSTEM

Rank

1
The Netherlands
9%
Most Popular

=2
Spain
12%

=2
Canada
12%

=4
France
15%

=4
Britain
15%

=6
Germany
17%

=6
New Zealand
17%

8
Australia
18%

9
Italy
20%

10
United States
33%
Least Popular

Harris Interactive | The Harris Poll - Health Care Systems in Ten Developed Countries: The U.S. System Is Most Unpopular and Dutch System the Most Popular

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA. People hate each other and kill each other like dogs. "Our" health care "system" is perfect, like Somalia's or Peru's, because in those very advanced nations like our own, those can afford it get health, and those who can't better get a fucking better paying job, those assholes.

 

[veritas]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA.

er.....ok.......I guess your mind's made up then. Ever been to any of them?


Chris: why do all of these studies leave Sweden out?

 

[Chris]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA.

er.....ok.......I guess your mind's made up then. Ever been to any of them?


Chris: why do all of these studies leave Sweden out?

All these studies?

This is the only one I have seen.

 

[Chris]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA. People hate each other and kill each other like dogs. "Our" health care "system" is perfect, like Somalia's or Peru's, because in those very advanced nations like our own, those can afford it get health, and those who can't better get a fucking better paying job, those assholes.

What?

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Sarcasm, dude, sarcasm.

 

[manu1959]

have any of you lived in any of these countries and had medical care there.....

futher to make their system work her you will need to adopt more than just the medical system.....oh and make it a 100 times larger as the countries and population are much smaller and much less diverse than the US....

 

[GHook93]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA.

er.....ok.......I guess your mind's made up then. Ever been to any of them?


Chris: why do all of these studies leave Sweden out?

That is a little of a Red Herring argument. Why did they leave out say Maldova?

However, if you want to attack the post and poll. Attack that only 1,000 were polled. Sorry, but that number is too small to represent the whole. Attack that no question were provided. Polls can easily be given to get the result you want.

Such as a anti-UHC system poll question might be, Are you in favor of not choosing your doctor? No! Are you in favor of rationing healthcare? No! Are you in favor of increasing taxes? No! Are you in favor of letting old people Die because they are too expensive to treat? No! ANALYSIS: This is person is against ObamaCare!

 

[GHook93]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA. People hate each other and kill each other like dogs. "Our" health care "system" is perfect, like Somalia's or Peru's, because in those very advanced nations like our own, those can afford it get health, and those who can't better get a fucking better paying job, those assholes.

What?

Scarasm! Don't worry Chris, Epsilon is firmly commited to Marxism, so you haven't lose a foot soldier!

 

[toomuchtime_]

The Harris Poll® #71, July 2, 2008

Health Care Systems in Ten Developed Countries: The U.S. System Is Most Unpopular and Dutch System the Most Popular
In all ten countries substantial, mostly overwhelming, majorities want fundamental reforms or more

Several recent surveys by Harris Interactive®, including the latest Financial Times/Harris Poll, asked an identical question of cross-sections of adults in ten developed countries about their own health care systems. This research finds that the United States has the most unpopular system:

Fully 33 percent of Americans believe that the American system "has so much wrong with it that we need to completely rebuild it", and a further 50 percent think that "fundamental changes are needed to make it work better";
In the other nine countries those who believe they need to completely rebuild their systems vary from only nine percent in The Netherlands and 12 percent in Spain to 15 percent in France, 17 percent in New Zealand, 18 percent in Australia and 20 percent in Italy; all well below the 33 percent in this country.
The data for this ten-country comparison comes from three different sources, published separately. The data for France, Italy, Spain and Germany come from an FT/Harris Poll conducted in June 2008 for the Financial Times. The data for the United States and Great Britain come from a Harris Interactive survey conducted for the International Herald Tribune and France 24 in May 2008. The data for The Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia come from a Harris Interactive survey conducted for The Commonwealth Fund between March and May 2007.

In every country just over 1,000 adults were surveyed either by telephone (the Netherlands, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) or online (the USA, Britain, France, Italy, Spain and Germany). Using these survey results, there are at least two ways to rank the popularity of the systems in these ten countries. One way is based on those who want to "completely rebuild" the system, as follows:

TABLE A: THOSE WHO WANT TO COMPLETELY REBUILD THE SYSTEM

Rank

1
The Netherlands
9%
Most Popular

=2
Spain
12%

=2
Canada
12%

=4
France
15%

=4
Britain
15%

=6
Germany
17%

=6
New Zealand
17%

8
Australia
18%

9
Italy
20%

10
United States
33%
Least Popular

Harris Interactive | The Harris Poll - Health Care Systems in Ten Developed Countries: The U.S. System Is Most Unpopular and Dutch System the Most Popular

A May 15 poll of likely voters showed that 30% rated our system as poor, but despite the hammering it has taken from Obama and the Congressional Dems since then, on August 3, only 19% rated it as poor. It seems that as the Dems have forced voters to think about the health care system they already have and compare it to the alternatives being considered in Congress and pushed by the WH and to the health care systems they hear about in other countries, a growing number of voters have decided that what they have is better than these alternatives.

35% Rate U.S. Health Care Good or Excellent - Rasmussen Reports™

Confidence in U.S. Health Care System Has Grown in Recent Months - Rasmussen Reports™

 

[veritas]

That is a little of a Red Herring argument. Why did they leave out say Maldova?

Not really. I have not heard Sweden's single payer system used as an exemplar in our present debate while England, France and Canada are the most mentioned. It would be an obvious choice to add into the mix. I find New Zealand and Australia to be too isolated geographically with their own set of issues to be less comparable than Sweden. The Swedes all speak English, so getting anecdotal reviews from them would be easy and they are part of a bunch of contiguous states that have UHC. They are rather informed about our goings on here, they watch all of our television and absorb our culture.

 

[Navy1960]

In all countries that Harris Interactive has surveyed two things appear to be true:

Regardless of what system a country has it falls far short of satisfying public expectations. Most systems always seem to be in a crisis or near crisis.
Governments in all countries are either changing or debating how to change their systems.

From your poll Chris, frankly if your using this poll to say that our system need to have some sort of reform then of course I would agree with that, and it's not surprising that most Americans feel that way. However, I don't think it it is a reflection on the fact that this nation need to adopt a healthcare system based on the Europen model simply based on a poll of worldwide feelings. If this were the case, then one could argue the case that by expressing concern the Germans are advocating that only wealthy get good care under their system. What I does think it reflects is a sense that more people in this nation see the need for some sort of reform.

 

[Political Junky]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA. People hate each other and kill each other like dogs. "Our" health care "system" is perfect, like Somalia's or Peru's, because in those very advanced nations like our own, those can afford it get health, and those who can't better get a fucking better paying job, those assholes.

When were you last in Europe?

 

[veritas]

When were you last in Europe?

Epsilon's good isn't he? His hyperbolic sarcasm is almost indistinguishable from real far right frothers.

Took me a minute too.

 

[Chris]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA.

er.....ok.......I guess your mind's made up then. Ever been to any of them?


Chris: why do all of these studies leave Sweden out?

That is a little of a Red Herring argument. Why did they leave out say Maldova?

However, if you want to attack the post and poll. Attack that only 1,000 were polled. Sorry, but that number is too small to represent the whole. Attack that no question were provided. Polls can easily be given to get the result you want.

Such as a anti-UHC system poll question might be, Are you in favor of not choosing your doctor? No! Are you in favor of rationing healthcare? No! Are you in favor of increasing taxes? No! Are you in favor of letting old people Die because they are too expensive to treat? No! ANALYSIS: This is person is against ObamaCare!

1,000 people is too small a sample?

Horseshit.

 

[Chris]

When were you last in Europe?

Epsilon's good isn't he? His hyperbolic sarcasm is almost indistinguishable from real far right frothers.

Took me a minute too.

It is perfect.

 

[elvis]

er.....ok.......I guess your mind's made up then. Ever been to any of them?


Chris: why do all of these studies leave Sweden out?

That is a little of a Red Herring argument. Why did they leave out say Maldova?

However, if you want to attack the post and poll. Attack that only 1,000 were polled. Sorry, but that number is too small to represent the whole. Attack that no question were provided. Polls can easily be given to get the result you want.

Such as a anti-UHC system poll question might be, Are you in favor of not choosing your doctor? No! Are you in favor of rationing healthcare? No! Are you in favor of increasing taxes? No! Are you in favor of letting old people Die because they are too expensive to treat? No! ANALYSIS: This is person is against ObamaCare!

1,000 people is too small a sample.

Horseshit.

and yet because Al Whore tells you to, you have no problem with the man-made global warming hoax, right shit stain?

 

[Political Junky]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA. People hate each other and kill each other like dogs. "Our" health care "system" is perfect, like Somalia's or Peru's, because in those very advanced nations like our own, those can afford it get health, and those who can't better get a fucking better paying job, those assholes.

I take it you haven't travelled much, right?

 

[veritas]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA. People hate each other and kill each other like dogs. "Our" health care "system" is perfect, like Somalia's or Peru's, because in those very advanced nations like our own, those can afford it get health, and those who can't better get a fucking better paying job, those assholes.

I take it you haven't travelled much, right?

Another victim of Epsilon's rapier grade sarcasm^

 

[Bootneck]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA. People hate each other and kill each other like dogs. "Our" health care "system" is perfect, like Somalia's or Peru's, because in those very advanced nations like our own, those can afford it get health, and those who can't better get a fucking better paying job, those assholes.

And how many of these shit holes have you actually visited, I wonder? Just how much of the world outside your own borders do you really know about? Not a great deal by the sound of it.