interesting article on Russia

[CrusaderFrank]

Sure people in Iran love American culture, but not their leaders and those with the guns that protect the regime.

Sure people in the former USSR loved "Elvis," coca-cola, blue jeans, etc but their leaders at the time liked being in charge of them more.

The same can be said of North Korea, China and even Iraq under Saddam. People like our western culture, hell even Al Qai'da deep down likes our culture of porn, music, booze, etc despite it being counter to their so-called utopia.

The 9/11 hijackers got hookers, drugs and gambled months up to their "jihad" because deep down they are full of shit....but does that make them any less dangerous? No, but liberals ignore these facts out of stupidity or they intend on letting outsiders bring down our culture via force.

Libs going back to the Soviet revolution have tried to undermine our society, but they would have you believe McCarthy was full of shit. He reached with some of his claims but he wasn't wrong on many others.

So when you see or hear a liberal telling you to not worry about Al Qai'da or their fellow communists....they're full of shit.

First off... McCarthy was full of shit. There was a threat... as there is now, of Communists, terrorists and the boogeyman that no one knows. That is the price of living in a FREE society. Which is why we have FREE elections and a Constitution. I know... you Conservatards think that anything proposed by a Democrat is treason... but the truth is... This country is very much a hybrid of Capitalistic and Socialistic philosophies.

Neither total Capitalism Nor total Socialism is a good thing. We saw what total Capitalism can do in the Robber baron days of the Early Industrial Revolution. People were working for slave wages for 80 hour/week and still not having a pot to piss in. On the other hand, we can see what Total Socialism(and it's more extreme cousin.. Communism) can do.

What MADE America unique was our ability to force the two opposing forces to tolerate each other. But that tolerance seems to be tested at the moment with the Tea Party thrown into the mix.

Let me just say this... most of those Tea Party people have no idea what they are asking for. MOST of them are people who work for other people(or companies). What are they gonna do if it's deemed OK to pay them $5/hour for their work and demands that they work 60 hours/ week to be considered full time?

Those are the types of things that happen when you "deregulate". Those types of things are what brought us labor unions. Do you REALLY think that Big Business and Industry won't try to go back to those heady days of slave wages, long hours and perhaps even company stores and company script(look it up)?

Yes... there are a lot of honest businessmen out there.... But there are also a lot of scumbags, and if you are desperate for a job... the scumbags will always be hiring, qand the decent ones won't.

McCarthy said there were real Soviets spies and Soviet sympathizer employed at US State and he was 100% right

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Gorby ended the USSR with new freedoms. We're lucky Ronny Bluster didn't bring the hardliners back...

 

[Truthseeker420]

What We Don't Know About History Can Hurt Us - FoxNews.com

Actually, it was an interesting article...I'll send a rep in a moment.

1. But if you know anything about Thaddeus Russell, you must know his infatuation with jazz as an explanation of many things...in this case, the fall of the Soviet Union.

2. It is not an accident that Russell has had his work appear in many Left-Wing journals...I understand that Fox doesn't fall into that category... but, as I said, it was an interesting article.

3. I further understand they article of faith of Left-Wing doctrine, that President Reagan could do no right, pun intended, and that he certainly deserves no credit for the fall of the Societ Union....but rock 'n' roll as the reason???

4. Here, an article with a bit more grit, substance:

Many forces contributed to the fall of the "Evil Empire", but foremost among them was the deployment of those 464 cruise and 108 Pershing II missiles slated to offset triple-warhead Soviet SS-20s and Backfire bombers that could reach all of Western Europe (but not the American homeland). Needless to say, it was not the "theo-logic" of deterrence that drove the counter-deployment. The drama was not really about "circular-errors probable" or "hard-target kill capabilities." The name of the game was as old as Thucydides' disquisitions on Peloponnesian power politics. It was a pure test of will and strength, and on its outcome hung, as it turned out, history. Yet what a slender thread it was.

Enter Ronald Reagan, a president who, whatever else he was and did, was an extraordinary exemplar of "Only in America." He was an ingenue even by American standards, but as tough and hard-bitten as any Soviet general-secretary (post-Stalin, that is). He hated communism, but embraced Mikhail Gorbachev. He presided over the greatest peace-time military buildup in American history, but loathed nuclear weapons, confiding in An American Life that his "dream became a world free of nuclear weapons." He elevated supply-side economics from Arthur Laffer's back-of-the-envelope doodles to the reigning dogma of the White House and radically cut taxes--only to pragmatically raise them again in 1982 and 1983 when a "decent respect" for the opinions of Congress so demanded.

THE EUROMISSILES played a staring role in the final act of the Cold War. Militarily, they were but pawns in a nuclear world defined by 10,000 strategic warheads on either side. But on the Cold War's central chessboard, they looked like kings and queens that would complete the irresistible thrust of Soviet power lanched in the 1970s. One Soviet surrogate, North Vietnam, had beaten the United States in Southeast Asia. Another, Cuba, had anchored Soviet-bloc power in the darkest heart of Africa, in Angola. America had just lost Iran to the Islamists led by Ayatollah Khomeini, and with it, one of Washington's key allies in the Middle East. Finally, as Carter's America was being humiliated by Iranian hostage-takers and held up to ridicule by botched rescue gambits, the Soviets were forging into Afghanistan--as Alexander the Great had done on his imperial march to India. To complete the degradation of America, only two key allies--Turkey and West Germany--heeded Washington's call to boycott the Moscow Olympics of 1980. And the economy was wallowing in stagflation.

Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving. He recalls in An American Life how he stood up from the table to proclaim that the meeting was over. Then he turned to his Secretary of State: "Let's go, George. We're leaving." Like any good diplomat, Shultz was crushed by so much roughness, but Reagan was completely unfazed. Later on, he explained: "I went to Reykjavik determined that everything was negotiable except two things, our freedom and our future."

. Euromissiles, massive aid to the Afghan rebels, the Strategic Defense Initiative, the arms build-up, the INF deployment, the demonstrated willingness to use force (Libya), support for Poland's Solidarity moment and Soviet dissidents--these all added up to what Kennan termed an "unalterable counter-force at every point" while Reagan's even-keeled leadership minimized "indecision, disunity and internal disintegration within this country" (notwithstanding the less grandiose moments of Reagan's watch, like the withdrawal from Lebanon after the massacre of 241 Marines in 1983 and the unforgivably reckless Iran-Contra affair).

Ronald Reagan, though dismissed by Europeans as a second-rate actor and fondler of cue cards, possessed that magic faculty that separates run-of-the mill politicos from history-molding leaders. "I didn't understand", recalls Time's Joe Klein, "how truly monumental, and morally important, Reagan's anti-communism was until I visited the Soviet Union in 1987." He continues with a seemingly trivial vignette. Attending the Bolshoi Ballet, he was nudged by his minder: "'Ronald Reagan. Evil empire', he whispered with dramatic intensity and shot a glance toward his lap where he had hidden two enthusiastic thumbs up. 'Yes!'"

When an American president manages to pluck the soul strings of those who have been raised to fear and despise what he represents, he surely deserves the honorific 'great.'
The "amazing and mysterious" life of Ronald Reagan - National Interest, The Articles | Find Articles at CBS MoneyWatch.com

Thanks for taking the GOP Fantasyland Tour.

 

[Steelplate]

The point is no matter how overboard McCarthy went with his claims, there was a threat from Communists that was covered up by the left in this country for numerous reasons.

Today the left is covering up the threat of islamofascism and it got us 9/11 and numerous attacks on Americans worldwide.

No matter how much you try to love the enemy, they hate you and will kill you when they get the chance.

The Jews in 1930s Germany thought the threat of the brownshirts would pass over and that Hitler fella would soon be put away by the general public....

You know... It's a HELL of a lot easier when you quote and type at the bottom.

You have any proof of these doings... or are you just gonna have me take your word for it.... BTW... Did you read my post or stop at "McCarthy was full of shit"? Yes... there are threats... there will always be threats... But(once again) that is the price you pay for living in a FREE COUNTRY. McCarthy was on a witch hunt... period. That doesn't mean he wasn't right on occasion, but he made plenty of innocent people suffer that never were Communists.

That would be the equivalent of saying.... if we fuck with 10,000 Muslim Americans lives and bag one true "terrorist", it will be worth it. Sorry, I don't buy into that ideology... and if you are a true believer in Freedom, neither would you.

I guess you didn't get the "post from the bottom of a quote" hint, did you?

I never said there wasn't a threat.... I've repeatedly said that. As far as the "brownshirts" analogy... just make sure that you aren't a brown shirt. That is the importance of self evaluation, my friend.

 

[gautama]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Obama...? I am not an Obama fan. Learn how to read.

Sure people in Iran love American culture, but not their leaders and those with the guns that protect the regime.

Sure people in the former USSR loved "Elvis," coca-cola, blue jeans, etc but their leaders at the time liked being in charge of them more.

The same can be said of North Korea, China and even Iraq under Saddam. People like our western culture, hell even Al Qai'da deep down likes our culture of porn, music, booze, etc despite it being counter to their so-called utopia.

The 9/11 hijackers got hookers, drugs and gambled months up to their "jihad" because deep down they are full of shit....but does that make them any less dangerous? No, but liberals ignore these facts out of stupidity or they intend on letting outsiders bring down our culture via force.

Libs going back to the Soviet revolution have tried to undermine our society, but they would have you believe McCarthy was full of shit. He reached with some of his claims but he wasn't wrong on many others.

So when you see or hear a liberal telling you to not worry about Al Qai'da or their fellow communists....they're full of shit.

The certified Obamarrhoidal Idiot.....more accurately, simply the Congenital Idiot TruthDoesn'tMatter ....... 'distinguishes' herself again !

Surprise !!!

GoneBerzerk,

Sorry ole chap.......twas a matter of misunderstanding, which was probably my fault.

I thought I was making it clear that I agreed with you 100%, in that I was being clear that the TruthDoesn'tMatter's opinions......which obviously disagree with yours ..... that TruthDoesn't Matter was the Congenital Idiot (and so stated).

Apparently I was not clear enough.....so, sorry about that.

 

[Truthmatters]

So what do you guys think of the person who wrote the article?

 

[Truthmatters]

Take a look at what Fox reporter says in the end of the article.





Hong Kong doesn't even have democracy, but because its rulers protected people's personal safety and property and left them otherwise free, Hong Kong thrived. In 50 years, it went from horrible poverty to income levels that are among the highest in world. Prosperity, thanks to economic freedom.

We should try that here.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/07/27/what-dont-know-about-history-can-hurt-us/#ixzz1URozvd9W

 

[Truthmatters]

The Fox guy wants us to not be a democracy anymore.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I loved landing at the old downtown HK airport, freaking cool it was, weeee....

Sorry, carry on.

I've landed at that old airport also. It was pretty cool to cruise in with skyscrapers right on your wings and tail and the landing with limited runway was a helluva braking deal too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What We Don't Know About History Can Hurt Us - FoxNews.com

Actually, it was an interesting article...I'll send a rep in a moment.

1. But if you know anything about Thaddeus Russell, you must know his infatuation with jazz as an explanation of many things...in this case, the fall of the Soviet Union.

2. It is not an accident that Russell has had his work appear in many Left-Wing journals...I understand that Fox doesn't fall into that category... but, as I said, it was an interesting article.

3. I further understand they article of faith of Left-Wing doctrine, that President Reagan could do no right, pun intended, and that he certainly deserves no credit for the fall of the Societ Union....but rock 'n' roll as the reason???

4. Here, an article with a bit more grit, substance:

Many forces contributed to the fall of the "Evil Empire", but foremost among them was the deployment of those 464 cruise and 108 Pershing II missiles slated to offset triple-warhead Soviet SS-20s and Backfire bombers that could reach all of Western Europe (but not the American homeland). Needless to say, it was not the "theo-logic" of deterrence that drove the counter-deployment. The drama was not really about "circular-errors probable" or "hard-target kill capabilities." The name of the game was as old as Thucydides' disquisitions on Peloponnesian power politics. It was a pure test of will and strength, and on its outcome hung, as it turned out, history. Yet what a slender thread it was.

Enter Ronald Reagan, a president who, whatever else he was and did, was an extraordinary exemplar of "Only in America." He was an ingenue even by American standards, but as tough and hard-bitten as any Soviet general-secretary (post-Stalin, that is). He hated communism, but embraced Mikhail Gorbachev. He presided over the greatest peace-time military buildup in American history, but loathed nuclear weapons, confiding in An American Life that his "dream became a world free of nuclear weapons." He elevated supply-side economics from Arthur Laffer's back-of-the-envelope doodles to the reigning dogma of the White House and radically cut taxes--only to pragmatically raise them again in 1982 and 1983 when a "decent respect" for the opinions of Congress so demanded.

THE EUROMISSILES played a staring role in the final act of the Cold War. Militarily, they were but pawns in a nuclear world defined by 10,000 strategic warheads on either side. But on the Cold War's central chessboard, they looked like kings and queens that would complete the irresistible thrust of Soviet power lanched in the 1970s. One Soviet surrogate, North Vietnam, had beaten the United States in Southeast Asia. Another, Cuba, had anchored Soviet-bloc power in the darkest heart of Africa, in Angola. America had just lost Iran to the Islamists led by Ayatollah Khomeini, and with it, one of Washington's key allies in the Middle East. Finally, as Carter's America was being humiliated by Iranian hostage-takers and held up to ridicule by botched rescue gambits, the Soviets were forging into Afghanistan--as Alexander the Great had done on his imperial march to India. To complete the degradation of America, only two key allies--Turkey and West Germany--heeded Washington's call to boycott the Moscow Olympics of 1980. And the economy was wallowing in stagflation.

Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving. He recalls in An American Life how he stood up from the table to proclaim that the meeting was over. Then he turned to his Secretary of State: "Let's go, George. We're leaving." Like any good diplomat, Shultz was crushed by so much roughness, but Reagan was completely unfazed. Later on, he explained: "I went to Reykjavik determined that everything was negotiable except two things, our freedom and our future."

. Euromissiles, massive aid to the Afghan rebels, the Strategic Defense Initiative, the arms build-up, the INF deployment, the demonstrated willingness to use force (Libya), support for Poland's Solidarity moment and Soviet dissidents--these all added up to what Kennan termed an "unalterable counter-force at every point" while Reagan's even-keeled leadership minimized "indecision, disunity and internal disintegration within this country" (notwithstanding the less grandiose moments of Reagan's watch, like the withdrawal from Lebanon after the massacre of 241 Marines in 1983 and the unforgivably reckless Iran-Contra affair).

Ronald Reagan, though dismissed by Europeans as a second-rate actor and fondler of cue cards, possessed that magic faculty that separates run-of-the mill politicos from history-molding leaders. "I didn't understand", recalls Time's Joe Klein, "how truly monumental, and morally important, Reagan's anti-communism was until I visited the Soviet Union in 1987." He continues with a seemingly trivial vignette. Attending the Bolshoi Ballet, he was nudged by his minder: "'Ronald Reagan. Evil empire', he whispered with dramatic intensity and shot a glance toward his lap where he had hidden two enthusiastic thumbs up. 'Yes!'"

When an American president manages to pluck the soul strings of those who have been raised to fear and despise what he represents, he surely deserves the honorific 'great.'
The "amazing and mysterious" life of Ronald Reagan - National Interest, The Articles | Find Articles at CBS MoneyWatch.com

Thanks for taking the GOP Fantasyland Tour.

I, on the other hand, see no reason to 'thank' your display of ignorance.

Hyperbole is so much easier than actually disputing the factual information...
...public school education?

 

[Truthmatters]

So maybe this is why the right hates the word democracy and tries to deny the dictionary definition of the word?

There is a plan at places like Fox to talk the American people OUT of seeing a Democracy as a good thing?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Sure people in Iran love American culture, but not their leaders and those with the guns that protect the regime.

Sure people in the former USSR loved "Elvis," coca-cola, blue jeans, etc but their leaders at the time liked being in charge of them more.

The same can be said of North Korea, China and even Iraq under Saddam. People like our western culture, hell even Al Qai'da deep down likes our culture of porn, music, booze, etc despite it being counter to their so-called utopia.

The 9/11 hijackers got hookers, drugs and gambled months up to their "jihad" because deep down they are full of shit....but does that make them any less dangerous? No, but liberals ignore these facts out of stupidity or they intend on letting outsiders bring down our culture via force.

Libs going back to the Soviet revolution have tried to undermine our society, but they would have you believe McCarthy was full of shit. He reached with some of his claims but he wasn't wrong on many others.

So when you see or hear a liberal telling you to not worry about Al Qai'da or their fellow communists....they're full of shit.

First off... McCarthy was full of shit. There was a threat... as there is now, of Communists, terrorists and the boogeyman that no one knows. That is the price of living in a FREE society. Which is why we have FREE elections and a Constitution. I know... you Conservatards think that anything proposed by a Democrat is treason... but the truth is... This country is very much a hybrid of Capitalistic and Socialistic philosophies.

Neither total Capitalism Nor total Socialism is a good thing. We saw what total Capitalism can do in the Robber baron days of the Early Industrial Revolution. People were working for slave wages for 80 hour/week and still not having a pot to piss in. On the other hand, we can see what Total Socialism(and it's more extreme cousin.. Communism) can do.

What MADE America unique was our ability to force the two opposing forces to tolerate each other. But that tolerance seems to be tested at the moment with the Tea Party thrown into the mix.

Let me just say this... most of those Tea Party people have no idea what they are asking for. MOST of them are people who work for other people(or companies). What are they gonna do if it's deemed OK to pay them $5/hour for their work and demands that they work 60 hours/ week to be considered full time?

Those are the types of things that happen when you "deregulate". Those types of things are what brought us labor unions. Do you REALLY think that Big Business and Industry won't try to go back to those heady days of slave wages, long hours and perhaps even company stores and company script(look it up)?

Yes... there are a lot of honest businessmen out there.... But there are also a lot of scumbags, and if you are desperate for a job... the scumbags will always be hiring, qand the decent ones won't.

Why would I tolerate Communist shitbags?

Fuck off.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So maybe this is why the right hates the word democracy and tries to deny the dictionary definition of the word?

There is a plan at places like Fox to talk the American people OUT of seeing a Democracy as a good thing?

Didn't you just get through quoting Fox?

You are a fucking retard.

 

[Truthmatters]

I quoted a fox article and the author of the fox article.

The Fox guy says we should be like hong kong and not have democracy

 

[Truthmatters]

Im going to make a note of this writers name





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stossel