Discussion in 'Politics' started by Doc91678, Dec 17, 2012.
this thread has been up for more than an hour and a half...
it's gotten a few dozen views...
libs are conspicuous by their reticence in posting a comment...
They won't take the time to watch the video.
I wonder how many folks know our early gun control laws were almost word of word of the laws Hitler put in place early in his regime.
You're right. I won't spend an hour watching it.
In any case, y'all seem to think gun control began about the time of Hitler, for some odd reason, but you well know it goes much farther back than that in this country.
For instance, colonial America had laws preventing the ownership of guns by slaves and Indians. During our westward expansion, one of the first steps taken to "civilize" cow towns was to prohibit the carrying of guns in the city limits. Then, in 1911, New York passed the Sullivan Act, the first attempt at comprehensive gun control. That has been followed by a succession of actions right up until today, each further delineating the boundaries of the Second Amendment.
There has never been any doubt about the constitutionality of gun control and the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that guns CAN be constitutionally controlled, beginning with US vs Miller, US vs Cruikshank, Adams vs Williams and the more recent District of Columbia vs Heller and McDonald vs Chicago. There ARE boundaries to the Second Amendment and the courts have repeatedly upheld the right of states to regulate those rights.
On a positive side, male citizens otherwise capable were required to own and maintain military style weapons as a part of their militia duties and places like Forsythe County, GA have required gun ownership of its citizens. Neither action is, or was, un-constitutional.
Gun control is a fact of life in the United States and has been almost from day one. It is not some johnny-come-lately liberal conspiracy, but a legitimate and constitutional expression of the Will of The People, as represented in legislative or court bodies. Over the years, gun control has been both tightened, and loosened, as the Will of The People changed over time. Such will be the case in the future.
Y'all may see commies or prospective tyrants hiding under every bed if you like, but doing so ignores the history of gun control in this country and prevents the more important debate about just what KINDS of gun control we'll have.
The point is that if this were some kind of great conspiracy, we should be firmly under the thumb of some dictator by now and we're not (your conspiracy theories about Obama not withstanding). Instead, we are once again grappling with the dividing line between rights and responsibilities, something our Constitution protects our right to do.
The question is not whether we will have gun control, but WHAT controls and under what circumstances. You can either hide in the corner shrieking warnings about impending doom, or join the debate.
I think that in spite of the horror visited on this nation this week, they will stay in their corner, shrieking, and will be up to we sane citizens to bring the proliferation of war weopons in this nation to an end.
Yeah, that's relevant.
I wouldn't bet on that. We may see a return to the "assault weapons" ban of the 1990's, probably also including magazine and clip restrictions, but that will be about all. If that.
In any case, it won't be any more than it was last time: A feel good exercise that amounts to very little.
The truth seems to be that once the passions of the moment pass, there really isn't a whole lot of support for draconian gun control legislation.
Nor should there be. Risk of harm is a necessary adjunct to liberty and we cannot, and should not, try to protect ourselves from every conceivable evil.
It was relevant to the slaves and Indians.
The purpose of mentioning that was to demonstrate just how far back gun control goes but, of course, that went right over your head.
What goes over your head, smart guy, is that colonial times were monopolized by companies chartered from England (the dutch, french). There was no constitution, nor any second amendment yet. It's a failed comparison.
There is nothing in the Second Amendment that prevents a ban on assault rifles for those that cannot pass the same requirments as fully automatic weopons.
There is nothing in the Second Amendment that prevents a law that states that if you store your guns irresponsibly, and someone takes them, you own the crimes committed with them.
There is nothing in the Second Amendment stating that we cannot require extensive background checks, and a months waiting period for all gun purchases.
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