Inhofe says he won't take part in Tulsa holiday parade until Christmas put back in

:lmao: You still don't get it, Oh Wise One! :lmao:

Say hello to iggy you stupid troll!

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Show me one post in this thread by bodumbass that remotely can be desribed as debate or discussion. The only thing she spews is snide remarks and insults. And frankly I don't have time for that dumb shit.

You're not too far from joining her.
 
It's not a bill that passed through legislation. You failed!

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"Whereas some doubts have arisen whether children got by any Englishman upon a Negro woman should be slave or free, be it therefore enacted and declared by this present Grand Assembly, that all children born in this country shall be held bond or free only according to the condition of the mother; and that if any Christian shall commit fornication with a Negro man or woman, he or she so offending shall pay double the fines imposed by the former act."

What more do you want? Are you moving the goal posts? Are you saying that no bad laws have ever been passed?

My point was that if you just give me the factual "law X is passed by doing Y,Z,T actions", it's great to know but not very useful in determining if the law is good, constitutional, fair, useful, etc.
 
It's not a bill that passed through legislation. You failed!

Welcome to Encyclopædia Britannica's Guide to Black History

"Whereas some doubts have arisen whether children got by any Englishman upon a Negro woman should be slave or free, be it therefore enacted and declared by this present Grand Assembly, that all children born in this country shall be held bond or free only according to the condition of the mother; and that if any Christian shall commit fornication with a Negro man or woman, he or she so offending shall pay double the fines imposed by the former act."

What more do you want? Are you moving the goal posts? Are you saying that no bad laws have ever been passed?

My point was that if you just give me the factual "law X is passed by doing Y,Z,T actions", it's great to know but not very useful in determining if the law is good, constitutional, fair, useful, etc.

You can quote all the colonial state laws you want. You still can't produce a bill proposed by a state representative that was passed through both houses and signed into law by the President making slavery legal.
 
You can quote all the colonial state laws you want. You still can't produce a bill proposed by a state representative that was passed through both houses and signed into law by the President making slavery legal.

OK so the final goal post is "a bill proposed by a state representative that was passed through both houses and signed into law by the President making slavery legal."
 
You can quote all the colonial state laws you want. You still can't produce a bill proposed by a state representative that was passed through both houses and signed into law by the President making slavery legal.

Is this good enough for you?

Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh wait I know your answer...

It doesn't count because it did not make slavery legal.

It only "declared that all runaway slaves be brought back to their masters."

Just that.
 
Say hello to iggy you stupid troll!

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Show me one post in this thread by bodumbass that remotely can be desribed as debate or discussion. The only thing she spews is snide remarks and insults. And frankly I don't have time for that dumb shit.

You're not too far from joining her.

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and so forth....in case you can't go back and check for yourself.....
 
You can quote all the colonial state laws you want. You still can't produce a bill proposed by a state representative that was passed through both houses and signed into law by the President making slavery legal.

OK so the final goal post is "a bill proposed by a state representative that was passed through both houses and signed into law by the President making slavery legal."

The state constitutions of states as they are admitted to the Union are where one can find examples of legislation that makes slavery legal in those states. These constitutions were approved when Congress voted to admit the state and accept its' constitution.
 
So...a parade is now a Mass?

That was a nice try twisting my words. Where did I suggest it was. I am giving you the orgin of the word Christmas.

So...to you, the word Christ is important, but not the word Mass....selectiveness on your part....I got it alright.

Again, you are trying to twist my words. What is selective about noting that until recently, it was called the CHRISTMAS parade?

It seems YOU are the one being selective to forget that.

That was in the article in the op. Nothing selective about it.

It is you that is trying to contrue something not said in order to deflect away from the central issue.

That iyou don't want to discuss the actual issue is noted. On that you lose.

Hmmm...Labor Day is a Holy Day? Memorial Day is a Holy Day? 4th of July is a Holy Day?

Where did I say that? Again you are trying to deflect. I said the ORIGIN of holiday IS HOLY DAY.

Etymology (Meaning of Words): Word meaning, lindisfarne gospels, word holiday

Answers.com - What is the origin of the word 'holiday'

Holiday - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

If you don't like that, that's just too damn bad. That doesn't change it's origins.

And being THAT IS the origin of the word I find it funny that the religion haters try to replace Christmas with holiday given it's origins.

In a war using semantics, it's pretty obvious the ignorance of this little fact makes fools of the "inclusive" one.


As I have said....you hate inclusive terms.....you just want exclusive terms...

What is inclusive about EXCLUDING THE NAME CHRISTMAS?

I mean how dumb are you liberals that you don't get that?

Would it be "inclusive" if all Jews should only use the word holiday or muslims? Do you think they would agree to that?

But to be "inclusive" the word Christmas must be EXCLUDED??????????

A perfect example of the illogic of liberalism.

It shows perfectly how liberals try to hide behind words as a cover for their real agenda, which isn't to be inclusive but to EXCLUDE from society anything that they find threatening to their agenda.

Truly, Christianity, as liberals make it clear by their constant rantings about the "religious right," is one of their greatest enemies.

As for the rest of your nonsense, I am just going to delete it. It's the same childish nonsense trying to deflect away from the central issue.

Why don't we just admit that the real faction against calling it a Christmas parade are the atheist/secular humanists who are bitter over the fact they haven't not wiped out Christianity.

The secular humanists have predicted the destruction of Christianity since the NY Times declared God dead and John Lennon declared "Christianity will go, I will be proven right. The Beatles are now more popular than Jesus Christ."

Or the two authors I encountered in 1994 who declared Christianity would not survive until the new millenium.

Oh yes, "if Christianity survives another five years, it will be far different than it is now."

I laughed at them, and made a bet they would both be proved dead wrong.

I came back in 2000 to remind them they had lost. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

If we ARE to be INCLUSIVE in our culture how do we EXCLUDE the name Christmas, which is one of the most IMPORTANT HOLY DAYS in our religion.

Indeed, how can a culture be anything but a sterile construct when a majority of our population are people of faith, yet are told they cannot add to the culture with that faith?

What is "inclusive' about the sterility of "holiday?"
 
And a Blessed Winter Solstice....the Reason for the Season (being when it is)

No, because if it was the reason for the season, date would change as it does for Easter (something I've never liked, but then I didn't make the Roman calender we follow).

The fact the Roman Catholics/Calender set Christmas at the time pagans once celebrated is well known.

I don't think that de-legitimizes Christmas any more than setting it at another time of the year. I'm sure there was once a pagan day for any other date on the calender.

We should rejoice that instead of sacrificing children (as pagans once did), we now give gifts to them. THAT is because of Christ.

(and OH yes, pagans sacrificed children. I once got into a big debate with a big time pagan witch on that. She lost BIG TIME.)

Read up on the Roman Saturnalia and how the Early Christian church didn't even celebrate their Christ's birthday for 300 years.....(people didn't celebrate birthdays back then, only death days)...and how they had intense competition from several cults such as the extremely popular cults celebrating the Saturnalia....so, they co-opted the holiday.

Which is just another way of saying EXACTLY what I said.

As I have argued with other pagans/atheists on this issue, I have pointed out the Catholic Church allowed those converting to Christianity to take their culture with them and these cultures did, adapting their traditions to Christian meanings. Such as the yule log.

I find it useless whether to argue if the Catholics should have done this. They did it. It is a statement of fact, not of debate.

Since I am NOT Catholic I see no need to defend the actions of the Catholics, nor do I think it would be of any benefit to an issue long closed.

For my own part, I believe God judges the heart, not the history of any one artifact or tradition.

Thus, if my kids want to put up a Christmas Tree, they are doing so to honor Christ's Birth, not the origin of any one tradition.

Further, not every Church celebrate Christmas on December 25. The Eastern Orthodox Church still celebrates Christmas in January.

The separation of Churches East from West, long ago settled the dates on which Christmas is honored and neither you nor I could change that even if we wanted to.
 
As long as Santa is invited to the parade, I am OK with it

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They are on their way to Mass as in Christ Mass....I wager.

You forget the origin of St. Nicholos.

Like the word Holiday, another aspect around Christmas that has a sacred origin.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Nicholas of Myra

St. Nicholas - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

St. Nicholas Orthodox Parish

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Poor TeePee....doesn't know that the St. Nicholas character is another Christian adoption of a Pagan god.....
 
That was a nice try twisting my words. Where did I suggest it was. I am giving you the orgin of the word Christmas.

So...to you, the word Christ is important, but not the word Mass....selectiveness on your part....I got it alright.

Again, you are trying to twist my words. What is selective about noting that until recently, it was called the CHRISTMAS parade?

It seems YOU are the one being selective to forget that.

That was in the article in the op. Nothing selective about it.

It is you that is trying to contrue something not said in order to deflect away from the central issue.

That iyou don't want to discuss the actual issue is noted. On that you lose.

Hmmm...Labor Day is a Holy Day? Memorial Day is a Holy Day? 4th of July is a Holy Day?

Where did I say that? Again you are trying to deflect. I said the ORIGIN of holiday IS HOLY DAY.

Etymology (Meaning of Words): Word meaning, lindisfarne gospels, word holiday

Answers.com - What is the origin of the word 'holiday'

Holiday - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

If you don't like that, that's just too damn bad. That doesn't change it's origins.

And being THAT IS the origin of the word I find it funny that the religion haters try to replace Christmas with holiday given it's origins.

In a war using semantics, it's pretty obvious the ignorance of this little fact makes fools of the "inclusive" one.


As I have said....you hate inclusive terms.....you just want exclusive terms...

What is inclusive about EXCLUDING THE NAME CHRISTMAS?

I mean how dumb are you liberals that you don't get that?

Would it be "inclusive" if all Jews should only use the word holiday or muslims? Do you think they would agree to that?

But to be "inclusive" the word Christmas must be EXCLUDED??????????

A perfect example of the illogic of liberalism.

It shows perfectly how liberals try to hide behind words as a cover for their real agenda, which isn't to be inclusive but to EXCLUDE from society anything that they find threatening to their agenda.

Truly, Christianity, as liberals make it clear by their constant rantings about the "religious right," is one of their greatest enemies.

As for the rest of your nonsense, I am just going to delete it. It's the same childish nonsense trying to deflect away from the central issue.

Why don't we just admit that the real faction against calling it a Christmas parade are the atheist/secular humanists who are bitter over the fact they haven't not wiped out Christianity.

The secular humanists have predicted the destruction of Christianity since the NY Times declared God dead and John Lennon declared "Christianity will go, I will be proven right. The Beatles are now more popular than Jesus Christ."

Or the two authors I encountered in 1994 who declared Christianity would not survive until the new millenium.

Oh yes, "if Christianity survives another five years, it will be far different than it is now."

I laughed at them, and made a bet they would both be proved dead wrong.

I came back in 2000 to remind them they had lost. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

If we ARE to be INCLUSIVE in our culture how do we EXCLUDE the name Christmas, which is one of the most IMPORTANT HOLY DAYS in our religion.

Indeed, how can a culture be anything but a sterile construct when a majority of our population are people of faith, yet are told they cannot add to the culture with that faith?

What is "inclusive' about the sterility of "holiday?"

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That was a nice try twisting my words. Where did I suggest it was. I am giving you the orgin of the word Christmas.

So...to you, the word Christ is important, but not the word Mass....selectiveness on your part....I got it alright.

Again, you are trying to twist my words. What is selective about noting that until recently, it was called the CHRISTMAS parade?

It seems YOU are the one being selective to forget that.

That was in the article in the op. Nothing selective about it.

It is YOU being selective, TeePee....why go on and on about the christ in christmas but not the mass in christmas? That's YOU being selective on which part of the word you want to hang your hat on.

It is you that is trying to contrue something not said in order to deflect away from the central issue.

The central issue. Yes, that people like Inhofe and you CAN NOT STAND that not everyone kow tows to your version of the Winter Holidays.

That iyou don't want to discuss the actual issue is noted. On that you lose.

Hmmm...Labor Day is a Holy Day? Memorial Day is a Holy Day? 4th of July is a Holy Day?

Where did I say that? Again you are trying to deflect. I said the ORIGIN of holiday IS HOLY DAY.

Etymology (Meaning of Words): Word meaning, lindisfarne gospels, word holiday

Answers.com - What is the origin of the word 'holiday'

Holiday - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

If you don't like that, that's just too damn bad. That doesn't change it's origins.

Origins....is that how it is used now in the 21st century, TeePee? Are ALL holidays holy days? We are talking today, aren't we? Or should this thread be moved to the History sub-forum?

And being THAT IS the origin of the word I find it funny that the religion haters try to replace Christmas with holiday given it's origins.

In a war using semantics, it's pretty obvious the ignorance of this little fact makes fools of the "inclusive" one.

So, you admit that you think the inclusion of others besides Christians (and by that, I of course mean YOUR kind of Christian) is a bad, bad thing.

As I have said....you hate inclusive terms.....you just want exclusive terms...

What is inclusive about EXCLUDING THE NAME CHRISTMAS?

Who is forcing YOU to not say Christmas, TeePee? Name names.

I mean how dumb are you liberals that you don't get that?

Ah, Irony.

Would it be "inclusive" if all Jews should only use the word holiday or muslims? Do you think they would agree to that?

Ok, that simply did not make sense....could you explain, please?

But to be "inclusive" the word Christmas must be EXCLUDED??????????

Again, please show us where you are being forced to not call it Christmas, Tee Pee

A perfect example of the illogic of liberalism.

Again, such Irony! :clap2:

It shows perfectly how liberals try to hide behind words as a cover for their real agenda, which isn't to be inclusive but to EXCLUDE from society anything that they find threatening to their agenda.

Ah...so you are accusing liberals of trying to EXCLUDE Christmas from society?

Truly, Christianity, as liberals make it clear by their constant rantings about the "religious right," is one of their greatest enemies.

As for the rest of your nonsense, I am just going to delete it. It's the same childish nonsense trying to deflect away from the central issue.

Couldn't refute it, eh?

Why don't we just admit that the real faction against calling it a Christmas parade are the atheist/secular humanists who are bitter over the fact they haven't not wiped out Christianity.

You poor persecuted Majority, you. We're out to get you, aren't we?

The secular humanists have predicted the destruction of Christianity since the NY Times declared God dead and John Lennon declared "Christianity will go, I will be proven right. The Beatles are now more popular than Jesus Christ."

:lmao:

Or the two authors I encountered in 1994 who declared Christianity would not survive until the new millenium.

Another one of your stories...:eusa_liar:

Oh yes, "if Christianity survives another five years, it will be far different than it is now."

I laughed at them, and made a bet they would both be proved dead wrong.

I came back in 2000 to remind them they had lost. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yes, I'm sure your :lol:s were powerful proof.

If we ARE to be INCLUSIVE in our culture how do we EXCLUDE the name Christmas, which is one of the most IMPORTANT HOLY DAYS in our religion.

Actually, it wasn't even a Christian holiday for 300 years and then only because of severe competition from pagan cults.....Saint Days and Easter were ten times more important.

Indeed, how can a culture be anything but a sterile construct when a majority of our population are people of faith, yet are told they cannot add to the culture with that faith?

What is "inclusive' about the sterility of "holiday?"


You cannot add to the culture? What is it that you cannot add....more Black Fridays at the Mall?
 
As long as Santa is invited to the parade, I am OK with it

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They are on their way to Mass as in Christ Mass....I wager.

You forget the origin of St. Nicholos.

Like the word Holiday, another aspect around Christmas that has a sacred origin.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Nicholas of Myra

St. Nicholas - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

St. Nicholas Orthodox Parish

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Take any child and give him a chance to visit Santa Claus or visit a creche

He will select Santa every time

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Santa is the Reason for the Season
 
They are on their way to Mass as in Christ Mass....I wager.

You forget the origin of St. Nicholos.

Like the word Holiday, another aspect around Christmas that has a sacred origin.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Nicholas of Myra

St. Nicholas - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

St. Nicholas Orthodox Parish

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Take any child and give him a chance to visit Santa Claus or visit a creche

He will select Santa every time

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Santa is the Reason for the Season

Well, if we are going to let children decide this matter instead of PC adults, why don't you ask them if it's a "holiday" parade or a Christmas parade.

What answer do you think they will give you?

Matthew 21:16 (King James Version)


16And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

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