Editec's take on Obama's Speech

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  1. editec
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    editec Mr. Forgot-it-All

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    Man!~ I'll say the economy did not fall overnight.
    It has been falling one economic class at a time for the last thity years.

    But until it fell for the investor class, well gee! guess what? It didn't MATTER to the people who mattered



    No O, WE did not fail.

    WE do not create the situation which cause these catastrophies. THE political system failed becase the MOVERS AND SHAKERS who own our political system were taking in money hand over fist.

    Yes, exactly right. Until the meltdown, the wealthiest clases, most expecially the top 1% of that top quintile got too wealthy in comparison to the rest of the nation.





    True



    People bought homes they HIOPED they could afford, mostly.




    And anyone who brought up those issues was called what? Chicken Littles, socialists, communists, know nothings and doom and gloomers.




    Grand! Except WE the people do not "Take CHarge" do we?

    The same idiot class of MOTU will STILL be in charge giving themselves every consideration so that they very same unfair system will continue with only cosmetic changes.

    I'm all ears.





    Ah...yeah!




    The proof is in the pudding, O.




    Sounds good. We'll see



    Glad to hear it



    Okay.


    A tax credit? Not nearly enough help and you ought to know that.




    Good.




    Skeptical hardly begins to describe how MOST of us feel, O.




    Great. Now when you find the inevitable waste and corruption put the bastards in PRISON. Americans are growing very tired of the TWO TIER SYSTEM OF JUSTICE that has been in place our ENTIRE LIFETIMES, O.

    You could START by hanging MADOFF on CSPAN for example.




    Good idea. Great idea in fact...if it actually shows us what is going on.




    Yes, so we're told.




    It isn't? Well even if it was...could you tell us?




    Here we go...a return to the same system that screwed the pooch to being with. Let's continue to make bankers rich, even if they totally screwed the people for the last 30 years.




    And THAT is the problem. But since you a member of the elite class now, I cannot expect you to understand that, O.


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    If EVERY AMERICAN can refi at some extremly low rate, that might help...not just the people in trouble ALL OF US.




    Consider the option of call them out for CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE instead of giving them GOLDEN PARACHUTES.


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    The American people are still waiting to hear the words HANG THE BASTARDS, O.





    No, apparently you don't.

    If you did actually get it, and start to TRULE do something about it, America's MOTU would be conspire to end your term in office immediately.




    Okay, sounds good. Of course most of think that you are already rewarding these notwits because they're STILL RUNNING OUR ECONOMY though this systemically unjust BANKING system.




    It might...until the next chock to the system as more MOTU rape our economy for their own benefit.




    Sounds good.

    Good goals...


    Sacrifice worthy priorities?


    But that does not mean we can afford to ignore our long-term challenges. I reject the view that says our problems will simply take care of themselves, that says government has no role in laying the foundation for our common prosperity.



    Right...only THEN the top rate of taxations was 90%, O. What is it now? 35%?





    And then the top rate of taxation was 70%



    Yes it did. And it did REWARD idustries moving offshore with tax breaks, either did it?

    If you say so.




    Typical. The stupid trade policies of the last thirty years are screwing our nation.

    Great...Americans will ONCE AGAIN pay for the reasearch, then the INDUSTRIES that BENFIT will be built offshore.




    Long LONG overdue.





    Great...Americans will ONCE AGAIN pay for the reasearch, then the INDUSTRIES that BENFIT will be built offshore.



    Yesh, completely IGNORE the fact that OUR GOVERNMENT made it LEGAL for foreign atuo companies to DUMP on our markets and blame the bad decison-making on DETROIT.



    I see absolutely NO solution in any of the above. A lot of window-dressing and inspiring rhtetoric, but no solution





    Content free rhetoric




    Great...only 40 years too late.




    Yes


    True


    Good things....not nearly enough though.


    Expecting people to pay four or five years salaries to get a college education is absurd. It's going to take a hell of a lot more than tax credits to fix that.

    If you can pull THAT off, you are going to be the best POTUS in US history, O.





    About time, O.




    Too late, I think. The damage that taxbreak has done is one of the primary reasons we're in this mess.

    Still kudos for doing it


    Okay


    To preserve our long-term fiscal health, we must also address the growing costs in Medicare and Social Security. Comprehensive health care reform is the best way to strengthen Medicare for years to come. And we must also begin a conversation on how to do the same for Social Security while creating tax-free universal savings accounts for all Americans.




    Honest federal accounting? Be still my heart.


    Given that we sold american workers out to FORGE NEW ALLIENCES druing the cold war, let's just say I am not sanguine about what all the above means.



    Read the whole damned world is banrupted by the MOTU class.


    Yeah, America is stil the big dog in the pack.


    Cynicism is a good thing. Being boubtful is not a personality flaw.




    bla bla bla




    HIRE the guy for heaven's sakes.



    Glad to hear it.


    Yeah, no kidding. Some people continue to do the right thing even in the face of enormous adversity.



    If any of you were patient enough to sit through my read of these speech?

    Now you know why I don't listen to thse kinds of speeches.

    Mostly it's content free rhetoric.

    Nothing wrong with that, except I hate being yanked around by it, and coming down off the high to discover that I know no more after hearing it, than I knew before I lsitened.

    Great speech, I'm sure it was inspiring.

    But it told me nothing.
     
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    Editec, You are a patience soul, but yes, the proof is in the pudding, and we shall see, I for one am rooting for the pudding and not the promising preface.
     
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    Editc,, who did you vote for? if it was obamalama did you ask and answer these questions before going to the polls? Just curious.
     
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    I voted against McCain, Willow.

    You apparently haven't read my pre election posts very closely.

    I've been bitching about the same damned things for the last ten years.

    I don't drink ANYBODY'S kool-aide but my own.

    The system is bent.

    It is a sham.

    We live in a one party state. Politics is a shadow puppet theater.

    Our pols are enablers to the kleptocrats who actually own most of America's and the rest of the world's assets.

    Our single party system is divided into two teams.

    Each panders to the prejudices and each spins its own fables that most of us believe are true.

    But in the important issues, like who gets the MONEY, the two teams, while saying a lot about how different they are, end up serving the master class who own the is nation, and have ALWAYS owned this nation.

    I don't know how to make my POV any simpler than that.

    When it comes to specific issues, I will take a position, based on how I think it will effect the average American and this nation overall.

    But bear in mind that I think the choices we are given are basically meaningless in the long run unless Americans stop believing that myth that our world is truly that liberals v conservatives fairy tale most Americans think it is.

    Our nation is divied into two classes not five.

    The haves and the have nots. The haves own most of the assets and ALL the power.

    There are some fairly well off have-nots (penultimate 19% or so) who do okay but they are nothing more than the SERVANT CLASS.

    And when the time comes they are not longer needed the haves will roll them up just like they're rolling up the bottom 80% of Americans now.

    This world, dear, is basically controlled by very intelligent sociopoaths who see most of us as nothing more than slaves to be controlled for THEIR benefit.

    Clear enough?
     
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    Most of us voted for Obama and the Democrats because we saw what eight years of Republican Neo-con government had given us. And you people are still trying to sell your snake oil. Very humorous trying to get all of the unemployed workers to feel sorry for the very men that created this Second Great Republican Depression. Poor fellows might have to pay 39% of their multi-million dollar incomes recieved for creating failure.

    Given the gravity of the situation, we should revert to the tax structure of WW2.
     

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