Individual mandate...a Republican idea

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    For Republicans, the idea of requiring every American to have health insurance is one of the most abhorrent provisions of the Democrats' health overhaul bills.

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    "Congress has never crossed the line between regulating what people choose to do and ordering them to do it," said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT). "The difference between regulating and requiring is liberty."

    But Hatch's opposition is ironic, or some would say, politically motivated. The last time Congress debated a health overhaul, when Bill Clinton was president, Hatch and several other senators who now oppose the so-called individual mandate actually supported a bill that would have required it.

    In fact, says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. "It was invented by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the time."

    The 'Free-Rider Effect'
    Pauly, a conservative health economist at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, says it wasn't just his idea. Back in the late 1980s — when Democrats were pushing not just a requirement for employers to provide insurance, but also the possibility of a government-sponsored single-payer system — "a group of economists and health policy people, market-oriented, sat down and said, 'Let's see if we can come up with a health reform proposal that would preserve a role for markets but would also achieve universal coverage.' "

    The idea of the individual mandate was about the only logical way to get there, Pauly says. That's because even with the most generous subsidies or enticements, "there would always be some Evel Knievels of health insurance, who would decline coverage even if the subsidies were very generous, and even if they could afford it, quote unquote, so if you really wanted to close the gap, that's the step you'd have to take."

    One reason the individual mandate appealed to conservatives is because it called for individual responsibility to address what economists call the "free-rider effect." That's the fact that if a person is in an accident or comes down with a dread disease, that person is going to get medical care, and someone is going to pay for it.

    "We called this responsible national health insurance," says Pauly. "There was a kind of an ethical and moral support for the notion that people shouldn't be allowed to free-ride on the charity of fellow citizens."

    Republican, Democratic Bills Strikingly Similar

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    So, republicans are stupid dickweeds....What else is new?

    That dumbasscrats would steal their ideas and tout them as their own tells me as much about them as it does the alleged "other side".

    But then again, you only had a sixth grade edumacation, Jethro, so you can be pardoned for being the dimwitted backwoods rube that you are.

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    Well facts are facts. As Homer Simpson says, "You can use facts to prove anything that is even remotely true". :tongue:


    The real test is just hours away. Can't wait to see how many Republican's vote for it.
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    It just amazes me how often you here this justification from libs. That because they can point to bad legislation, corruption, etc. by the other side that means it's justified for them to be corrupt and pass bad legislation themselves.
     
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    Just look for the one's that got bribed by Obama with money for some project or special favors of some type to their state in the bill.
     
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    Here's your dilemma DUD... I am a hundred times smarter than you...so where does that leave you Hayekseed?
     
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    You're not any smarter than a bag of hammers.

    A terrible idea floated by the republitards doesn't suddenly become a good idea because demotards have stolen it and put into their latest legislation.

    Rube.
     
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    Dude your a "Hayekseed"? Why didn't you tell me?

    I've liked most of your post up till this startling revelation. A Hayekseed who I'm so often so typically in agreement with. I'll have to reevaluate my whole thought process. I've not been one to agree with hayekseeds so often.

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    No, but it does reveal that Republicans are not interested in health care reform, reducing the deficit or the easing the struggles of the American people. They are only interested in turning health care reform or any legislation into Obama's Waterloo and regaining power.

    Their Waterloo should have been when Republicans Sam Brownback of Kansas, Mike Crapo of Idaho, John Ensign of Nevada, Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas, James Inhofe of Oklahoma and John McCain of Arizona voted against legislation forming a fiscal commission, after being co-sponsors of the bill.

    You 'call' yourself a libertarian, but just calling Republicans republitards doesn't give you cover...you offer NOTHING that resemble solutions in any conversations, you talk like a right wing pea brain, nothing you say resembles libertarian ideas...Grover Norquist 'calls' himself a libertarian...he's a far right wing hack...just like you...
     
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    What?

    Some would-be policy dork sent a memo to the WH, and it is now, historically, the position of the Bush 41 admin?

    What bill was this? I don't recall any discusion about it.
     

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