In retrospect on the Keyes bridge disaster

[rampart]

Oh shit yes....

the problem with any mechanical systems is that they are more likely to fail under load.

maintaining a generator on port is necessary, but without sea trials ("shakedown" ) you never know.

 

[PeterPilot]

Capitalism couldn’t possibly bear the costs.

Which is why they push that cost on government and bitch about regulations.


Right

In this fascist system we have, the capitalists rule and control the government. That's why Genocide Joe has said tax payers will pay for this instead of the insurance companies. Real nice system, eh?

This is every bit the inside job/coverup that 911 was and TWA 800.

 

[justoffal]

the size of these ships has outstripped the channels. tugs and pilot are required in most ports, including baltimore.

The physics here is astounding. 90,000 tons moving at 4 km....coming to a sudden stop.
Geezus....somewhere in the area of 300 million pounds of impact force directed at one focal point for that brief moment. I mean yeah...something is going to break.

 

[eagle1462010]

They did routine maintenance on the engines while in port. Probably fucked that up.

 

[San Souci]

Capitalism couldn’t possibly bear the costs.

Which is why they push that cost on government and bitch about regulations.


Right

Here we go again. Take a disaster and post some filthy Commie Propaganda.

 

[justoffal]

They did routine maintenance on the engines while in port. Probably fucked that up.

Check this, one swig....check that, another swig....looks good! Finish the bottle

 

[Dekster]

So after doing some reading for a few days on this port, it's traffic and the proximity of the bridge I have to say that I'm dumbfounded by the laxness of the navigation standards used. This thing was pretty much inevitable.

The freighters in question here are ultra massive structures that range from 100 thousand to as much as 200 thousand tons of floating force. To put this in perspective a Nimitz class aircraft carrier weighs about 120, 000 tons. We're talking major inertia here. You don't just put on the brakes and come to a screeching halt.

I'm not sure what the configuration of the Dhali's power train is ... It might be direct drive or it might be diesel to generator to DC motor. The latter being the more popular design today. There's a lot of maintenance in any of these systems and even with the maintenance no one can predict when a failure will happen. Having said that I find it almost inexcusable that such a huge vessel, a veritable floating juggernaut... is not strictly attended by at least two heavy tugs (probably more ) when it is passing close to bridge structures in a bay.

When you're dealing with that kind of power and weight not having a plan b is just plain stupid.

It was attended by tugs out of port and then the local port captains released the tugs before the bridge. The section of bridge was wide enough for two super ships to pass through at the same time (one in each direction). The ship was a single propeller vessel and was 100% dependent on that. When they lost propulsion there really wasn't much that could be done that wasn't. They dropped the anchor, called for help, and got the bridge as evacuated as they could before the collision. It was just really shitty timing to lose propulsion when they did.

Anyway, there are plenty of other ports available. They just liked Baltimore because it offered to the lowest cost to get goods through and out to the midwest faster. Those companies will just have to adjsut their just in time inventory system to account for the extra time it will take to bring those goods through Virginia or Philly until the bridge debris is removed. Because there is one 2 feet draft under that bridge for the big ships, they will have to make extra sure they get it all.

 

[justoffal]

It was attended by tugs out of port and then the local port captains released the tugs before the bridge. The section of bridge was wide enough for two super ships to pass through at the same time (one in each direction). The ship was a single propeller vessel and was 100% dependent on that. When they lost propulsion there really wasn't much that could be done that wasn't. They dropped the anchor, called for help, and got the bridge as evacuated as they could before the collision. It was just really shitty timing to lose propulsion when they did.

Anyway, there are plenty of other ports available. They just liked Baltimore because it offered to the lowest cost to get goods through and out to the midwest faster. Those companies will just have to adjsut their just in time inventory system to account for the extra time it will take to bring those goods through Virginia or Philly until the bridge debris is removed. Because there is one 2 feet draft under that bridge for the big ships, they will have to make extra sure they get it all.

Yeah....IMO... if I'm the harbor master I'm not happy at all unless the big boys are on the other side.

 

[rampart]

Here we go again. Take a disaster and post some filthy Commie Propaganda.

regulations are a necessary component of capitalism. i don't think marx had much to do with this disaster

Yeah....IMO... if I'm the harbor master I'm not happy at all unless the big boys are on the other side.

that can't possibly be the normal procedure.

the ship was chartered by maersk, but her owners are probably responsible for maintenance.

do you have a naval background?

 

[Dekster]

Yeah....IMO... if I'm the harbor master I'm not happy at all unless the big boys are on the other side.

Ships have to pay for their local port captains and the tug services. They ditch the tugs as soon as they can because it costs them more money to be escorted all the way out. You can make it a requirement but it will probably drive traffic to other ports because companies are, after all, cheapskates.

 

[justoffal]

Ships have to pay for their local port captains and the tug services. They ditch the tugs as soon as they can because it costs them more money to be escorted all the way out. You can make it a requirement but it will probably drive traffic to other ports because companies are, after all, cheapskates.

Yeah I kinda figured it was money thing...

 

[rampart]

Ships have to pay for their local port captains and the tug services. They ditch the tugs as soon as they can because it costs them more money to be escorted all the way out. You can make it a requirement but it will probably drive traffic to other ports because companies are, after all, cheapskates.

i really thought the competitive pressures of the dynamic capitalist marketplace would force the cheapest corporation to factor safety into their spread sheets.

 

[otto105]

regulations are a necessary component of capitalism. i don't think marx had much to do with this disaster

that can't possibly be the normal procedure.

the ship was chartered by maersk, but her owners are probably responsible for maintenance.

do you have a naval background?

He has a maga background.

 

[San Souci]

regulations are a necessary component of capitalism. i don't think marx had much to do with this disaster

that can't possibly be the normal procedure.

the ship was chartered by maersk, but her owners are probably responsible for maintenance.

do you have a naval background?

 

[rampart]

He has a maga background.

i get that.

as demonstrated abord the pinafore, we have a procedure for everything . until it happens.

 

[San Souci]

i get that.

as demonstrated abord the pinafore, we have a procedure for everything . until it happens.

It kinda describes Bureaucrats--- :I thought so little they rewarded me--By making me the Ruler of the Queens Navee---

 

[rampart]

It kinda describes Bureaucrats--- :I thought so little they rewarded me--By making me the Ruler of the Queens Navee---

perhaps bureaucracy is evil, but it appears to be necessary.

 

[lennypartiv]

It's been a long time since I've been to Baltimore. If possible, the bridge should be further inland than the port. Then these ships would not have to travel under the bridge.

 

[lennypartiv]

Tugboats left before ship reached Baltimore bridge. They might have saved it.

In many cases, bridge supports need to be better protected.

 

[rightwinger]

It's been a long time since I've been to Baltimore. If possible, the bridge should be further inland than the port. Then these ships would not have to travel under the bridge.

The roads east of Baltimore need a bridge to go south.
There are already plenty of roads west of Baltimore