Impact Of Illegal Immigration An “exaggeration”

[sky dancer]

This morning on our local radio news it was revealed that undocumented latin men are being mugged at disproportionate rates because they usually travel by foot or bike at night and carry cash from being paid under the table. Squishi should be happy they are bearing the burden of increased muggings as the economy worsens.

Hate crime has increased against latinos--largely due to immigration frustrations. I don't think anyone would find increased violence something to celebrate.

Problem is that those who committ hate crime also choose to harm legal latino descent US citizens.

 

[Agnapostate]

Oh, yeah, I forgot. Agnost doesn't need facts, he's a "anarchist". Gee wiz , perhaps some of our younger posters would like to look that term up. How's anarchy working for ya, boyo? Better than all those cheap shots, I hope. And, you demand logic and statistics for illegal aliens? And your mindset / lifestyle is about uncontrolled insanity? And then, you have the nerve to impugn my sanity ? Hmmm. You know what? I won't hold your support of illegal aliens against them.

Which "uncontrolled insanity" are you referring to?

 

[Lita456]

Hate crime has increased against latinos--largely due to immigration frustrations. I don't think anyone would find increased violence something to celebrate.

Problem is that those who committ hate crime also choose to harm legal latino descent US citizens.

I agree with this post SD....morning BTW....you hear about it all the time, especially recently around my parts, two latino men were killed for being exactly that, latino and the people that killed them thought they were illegal. Sad really.

 

[Ravi]

Hate crime has increased against latinos--largely due to immigration frustrations. I don't think anyone would find increased violence something to celebrate.

Problem is that those who committ hate crime also choose to harm legal latino descent US citizens.

These weren't hate crimes. They were more opportunistic crimes...guy on a bike late at night carrying cash...kind of a sure thing for a mugger.

 

[SW2SILVERQUASI]

Agnost: Please, you are being bashful. Don't play coy. "Anarchy" isn't a shining example of sanity, but perhaps you can fill me in on the little details. You weren't breast fed, were you? Come on now, that junk died with Sacco and Vanzetti. All that stuff like motor cars, radio and even the Internet were not invented by anarchists, bubba.

 

[Agnapostate]

Of course not. Nor were they created by a "free market." They were created by heavily subsidized government industries.

Moreover, autogestion of the nature practiced in Argentina has affected about 200 workplaces and 15,000 workers, allowing them to recover from the 2001 economic crisis. Important examples of the benefits of workers' self-management include the Hotel Bauen, the Brukman Factory, and the Fabrica Sin Patrones.

 

[SW2SILVERQUASI]

Agnost: I am a "worker'. I never heard of the of the term " Autogestion" before. Then I found it on Wikpedia, It goes back to the Spanish civil war and Communism. Are you nuts? And then it refers to the Spanish verb recuperar means not only "to get back", "to take back" or "to reclaim" but also "to put back into good condition". Although initially referring to industrial facilities, the term may be extensive to businesses other than factories (i.e. Hotel Bauen in Buenos Aires). OK....Is this some veiled attempt to rationalize illegal aliens stealing back Aztlan for Mexico? NO? It's bullshit and we both know it. They are neo slaves for the Capitalists you hate. Illegal aliens and their exploiters, and you support THAT? breaking up Unions American workers fought and died for over the years, LITERALLY? Is that what an anarchist is all about? Yer really in the back pocket of the Globlaist? Please. You are nuttier than a fruitcake. Or Neurotic as hell, I can tell which any more.

 

[SW2SILVERQUASI]

I love this board. I have like, less than zero reputation and yet I feel so..vindicated, so totally right because this board is such a echo chamber. You repeat each other and hear all you want to hear. This board is a shame on diversity. It's a conformist's ass kissing club. Groucho Marx once said " I wouldn't be a member of any club that would have me as a member" or some such. I totally understand that. Too bad the rest of you folks don't.

 

[SW2SILVERQUASI]

Guess what? I'm a sensitive ol' soul. I'm also an artist...in a world of human wreckage. I have a talent . I can draw. Paint, so what. I have two eyes and I can see what is happening. And I also have a camera. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, well, I think it's worth a lot less. And the truth, it's worth even less . Apparently, judging from the responses from my posts, truth becomes a meaningless rant in the face of bald faced unopposed dumb ass stupid conformity . Congratulations, all of you illegal alien supporters, I hope you are proud of yourselves. You don't have a clue what harm you are doing. You have no clue at all. I'd tell you, but you'd ignore me, anyway. Kudos. Give yourselves big pat on the back for self righteousness, would you? I knew that wouldn't be too much to ask. That is what you folks do best.

 

[Agnapostate]

Agnost: I am a "worker'. I never heard of the of the term " Autogestion" before. Then I found it on Wikpedia, It goes back to the Spanish civil war and Communism. Are you nuts? And then it refers to the Spanish verb recuperar means not only "to get back", "to take back" or "to reclaim" but also "to put back into good condition". Although initially referring to industrial facilities, the term may be extensive to businesses other than factories (i.e. Hotel Bauen in Buenos Aires). OK....Is this some veiled attempt to rationalize illegal aliens stealing back Aztlan for Mexico? NO? It's bullshit and we both know it. They are neo slaves for the Capitalists you hate. Illegal aliens and their exploiters, and you support THAT? breaking up Unions American workers fought and died for over the years, LITERALLY? Is that what an anarchist is all about? Yer really in the back pocket of the Globlaist? Please. You are nuttier than a fruitcake. Or Neurotic as hell, I can tell which any more.

You chose to refer to anarchism...hence I chose to refer you to autogestion, or workers' self-management, a key tenet of anarchist theory, as is practiced in Argentina, and as was practiced in the Spanish Revolution.

 

[matty]

Maybe he means autosuggestion, you know subliminal shit, Ag's all about that stuff, that's his thing, isn't it, Ag?

 

[Agnapostate]

ratty, I was about to slam you for stumbling into a topic you know nothing about, but then I realized that you knew at least as much about autogestion as you do about any other topic.

 

[matty]

ratty, I was about to slam you for stumbling into a topic you know nothing about, but then I realized that you knew at least as much about autogestion as you do about any other topic.

I took even the narrowest chance at slamming you--at the risk of sounding Childish.*snicker*

 

[Agnapostate]

*yawn*

 

[SW2SILVERQUASI]

Agnost: When I read your responses, I thought of that little guy standing in front of those tanks in Tiananmen Square. So, tell me, how well do you think the principal of Autogestion will work in China? China already is a Communist worker's "paradise' . Too bad the workers there aren't sharing in all that wealth. It seems the global economy has corrupted everything. That's why we get illegal aliens in America, it's good for the "economy". It isn't about humanitarianism or compassion, it never was. China uses it's billions of people to expand it's influence. Using people as a disposable exploitable resource. That is what American employers are doing. They move factories overseas, outsource or hire illegal aliens, forget Americans and the unions or safety rules and all that, it all goes out the window. It's funny, Communist Chinese and the Republic of the United States have practically abandoned their core ideals for the sake of profits. Except, the economy is collapsing in on itself, like a black hole. It eats up everything and then leaves nothing, no light, no energy, nothing. That's where we seem to be going now, isn't it?

 

[Agnapostate]

China is not and has never been a communist country, and has lost even its authoritarian socialist nature since the reign of Deng Xiaopang. If you're interested in legitimate applications of socialism, seek out the Paris Commune. Seek out the Free Territory of Ukraine. Seek out the anarchist collectives of the Spanish Revolution.

Aside from that, I'd say that you make valid points about globalization.

 

[SW2SILVERQUASI]

Agnost: Please, even YOU, despite stretching the difference between socialism and communism, know it's all bullshit. You don't mention that little guy standing fast against those Fascist totalitarian Tanks. You relate to abstract ideals, but I relate to that little guy, he is the human being and he represents all of us...in the struggle against a faceless oppressing machine. And you make excuses for the machine and the oppressors? They hire and exploit illegal aliens, they do it because its 'Good for the Economy". The Chinese Government doesn't care about the welfare of it's workers, either. What country cares STRICTLY about the worker anymore? Argentina? Please. They made all those dissidents vanish the same way the Chinese would ? Please. I live with and work around illegal aliens. Really, truly, all they have to do is immigrate legally. That is it. I know, you think it sounds inane, don't confuse inanity with obvious yet elegant simplicity. It is that simple. We wouldn't be debating this otherwise.

 

[Agnapostate]

And thus, I propose that they receive amnesty, and that all border crossing be decriminalized, which would encourage them to use safer border checkpoints.

 

[SW2SILVERQUASI]

Agnost, yer OK, despite what everyone else says. Amnesty? I don't know, I used to reject it out of hand, but not now. I have talked to quite a few illegal aliens. The most mentioned reason they gave for coming here was for the jobs. Money. Not from hunger or political persecution or dire consequences. Nope . Nada. That's not good enough anymore. And they risk their lives to get here. Yes, some of them do. That reminds me of a high stakes gambler that bets the family farm and/or their lives for petty greed. If I risk my life and rob a bank, I don't get to keep the money if I got caught, either. What illegals risk isn't a good enough reason for us to open our boarders as far I understand. At least they can try to immigrate legally. They can give this country respect , honor and have backbone and some dignity. All immigrants need to be scrutinized. Besides, how many of them REALLY need be here? And how many are just opportunist ? How many of them could be terrorists, or criminals or mentally ill or have communicable diseases? Surely, those are legitimate aspects of immigration that shouldn't be ignored. And, one other thing, we are running out of resources and plain old fashioned room, as well. Amnesty: Yes... conditionally. Open boarders: NO, unconditionally.

 

[matty]

A good friend of mine has just become involved with a woman who moved here to Maine from New Mexico. She took a very serious hit in income to make this move.

So, why did she move?

Because in the last year three of her friends had been robbed, one severely beaten, one murdered, because of the crime in that area.

This woman loves Mexicans, (she's an uber-liberal). She loves the Mexican culture and she cares tremendously about the immigrants -- both legal and illegal -- but the crime she is fleeing from was all perpetrated by people who appeared to be Hispanic gangbangers.

I personally find it hard to believe that having ten or twenty million illegal immigrants, most of whom are desperately poor, is NOT going to strain a society's resources, and part of that strain will inevitably come to that society in the form of crime.

Something needs to be done to stop this flow of illegals into the nation, folks.

This woman is clearly no racist, but she fled New Mexico because of the violent crime which she says is getting worse all the time.

She'd live in New Mexico for over twenty years, so I suspect she knows of what she speaks.

The problem in Mexico has been all over the news for a long time, just escalating to more shocking heights in the past yr, calling a lot more attention to it.

This thread should've been linked from the beginning probably and quoted so people wouldn't have either misunderstood what it said in the first place about Ritter., I don't know if anyone ever caught on that the poster said Ritter had said it was NOT an exaggeration--didn't finish the thread yet.

But if it were an all out exaggeration, anyway, there' wouldn't be so much fodder to pounce on for the evidence. If it's an exaggeration, it's a laughable one to trouble ourselves splitting hairs about.