Immigration....Who To Invite In?

[Flopper]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

The statistics you're quoting is the percent of immigrant families that receive any goverment assistance vs non-immigrants.

One of the programs in government assistance is free and or reduce lunch. Since immigrant families have 37% more children than non-immigrant families their usage of the program is significantly higher than non-immigrant families. Use of welfare and cash assistance programs is approximately the same for immigrants and non-immigrants as is Medicaid for immigrants and non-immigrants. When we look at the dollars spend on government assistance of immigrant families vs non-immigrant families, they are almost the same.

The immigrants I know earn their own keep.

It appears that that is not a consideration for you.

Are you replying to may post?
I know 6 (legal) immigrant families, 2 of them are related by marriage to members of my immediate family. As far as I know, all the adults have jobs. I'm sure a couple of the families have some form of government support, most likely free and reduce lunch since a family can earn as much $70,000 and still qualify for a reduction in school lunch prices depending on the number in the family.

One thing I have noticed over the years, is all the 2nd generation immigrants in these families are doing better than their parents. Knowing what life was like in the countries they came from allows them appreciate America far more than most Americans. Few native born Americans have ever know real hunger or real fear for their life or what it really means to live in a nation where opportunity is there for the taking.

 

[danielpalos]

Why are we losing money on border policies? Only lousy capitalists lose money on public polices.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Immigration should Only consist of application for citizenship.

all others are tourists, for as long as they want.

A tourist visa that serves as a federal ID for State purposes could be included with the cost of the visa.

Only lousy Capitalists, lose money on public policies.

 

[Ame®icano]

Why are we losing money on border policies? Only lousy capitalists lose money on public polices.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Immigration should Only consist of application for citizenship.

all others are tourists, for as long as they want.

A tourist visa that serves as a federal ID for State purposes could be included with the cost of the visa.

Only lousy Capitalists, lose money on public policies.

What a bunch of crap. Diarrhea, precisely.

Should tourist get access to public schools, healthcare, welfare, and be able to vote?

 

[danielpalos]

Why are we losing money on border policies? Only lousy capitalists lose money on public polices.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Immigration should Only consist of application for citizenship.

all others are tourists, for as long as they want.

A tourist visa that serves as a federal ID for State purposes could be included with the cost of the visa.

Only lousy Capitalists, lose money on public policies.

What a bunch of crap. Diarrhea, precisely.

Should tourist get access to public schools, healthcare, welfare, and be able to vote?

Tourists seeking permanent residence could. Annual renewals should be the only requirement for permanent residence as a non-citizen/tourist.

 

[Ame®icano]

Why are we losing money on border policies? Only lousy capitalists lose money on public polices.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Immigration should Only consist of application for citizenship.

all others are tourists, for as long as they want.

A tourist visa that serves as a federal ID for State purposes could be included with the cost of the visa.

Only lousy Capitalists, lose money on public policies.

What a bunch of crap. Diarrhea, precisely.

Should tourist get access to public schools, healthcare, welfare, and be able to vote?

Tourists seeking permanent residence could. Annual renewals should be the only requirement for permanent residence as a non-citizen/tourist.

If someone is seeking permanent residence, than is not a tourist. Plus, you don't need any qualification or skill to be a tourist.

As per your suggestion, someone can come on tourist visa and from the airport take an Uber ride to the Immigration office and ask for permanent residency, and from there continue straight to Welfare office to get benefits.

Let me ask you this: Are you on drugs at the moment?

 

[danielpalos]

Why are we losing money on border policies? Only lousy capitalists lose money on public polices.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Immigration should Only consist of application for citizenship.

all others are tourists, for as long as they want.

A tourist visa that serves as a federal ID for State purposes could be included with the cost of the visa.

Only lousy Capitalists, lose money on public policies.

What a bunch of crap. Diarrhea, precisely.

Should tourist get access to public schools, healthcare, welfare, and be able to vote?

Tourists seeking permanent residence could. Annual renewals should be the only requirement for permanent residence as a non-citizen/tourist.

If someone is seeking permanent residence, than is not a tourist. Plus, you don't need any qualification or skill to be a tourist.

As per your suggestion, someone can come on tourist visa and from the airport take an Uber ride to the Immigration office and ask for permanent residency, and from there continue straight to Welfare office to get benefits.

Let me ask you this: Are you on drugs at the moment?

why increase costs when we don't need to; the right wing refuses to pay for what we are Already spending.

 

[danielpalos]

Why are we losing money on border policies? Only lousy capitalists lose money on public polices.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Immigration should Only consist of application for citizenship.

all others are tourists, for as long as they want.

A tourist visa that serves as a federal ID for State purposes could be included with the cost of the visa.

Only lousy Capitalists, lose money on public policies.

What a bunch of crap. Diarrhea, precisely.

Should tourist get access to public schools, healthcare, welfare, and be able to vote?

Tourists seeking permanent residence could. Annual renewals should be the only requirement for permanent residence as a non-citizen/tourist.

If someone is seeking permanent residence, than is not a tourist. Plus, you don't need any qualification or skill to be a tourist.

As per your suggestion, someone can come on tourist visa and from the airport take an Uber ride to the Immigration office and ask for permanent residency, and from there continue straight to Welfare office to get benefits.

Let me ask you this: Are you on drugs at the moment?

A tourist has to establish permanence by longevity. They can Only apply for citizenship. Travel is a natural right.

 

[Ame®icano]

Why are we losing money on border policies? Only lousy capitalists lose money on public polices.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Immigration should Only consist of application for citizenship.

all others are tourists, for as long as they want.

A tourist visa that serves as a federal ID for State purposes could be included with the cost of the visa.

Only lousy Capitalists, lose money on public policies.

What a bunch of crap. Diarrhea, precisely.

Should tourist get access to public schools, healthcare, welfare, and be able to vote?

Tourists seeking permanent residence could. Annual renewals should be the only requirement for permanent residence as a non-citizen/tourist.

If someone is seeking permanent residence, than is not a tourist. Plus, you don't need any qualification or skill to be a tourist.

As per your suggestion, someone can come on tourist visa and from the airport take an Uber ride to the Immigration office and ask for permanent residency, and from there continue straight to Welfare office to get benefits.

Let me ask you this: Are you on drugs at the moment?

why increase costs when we don't need to; the right wing refuses to pay for what we are Already spending.

That is the problem. We shouldn't be spending on those who have no right to be here. Our priorities are Americans, not foreigners.

 

[Ame®icano]

Why are we losing money on border policies? Only lousy capitalists lose money on public polices.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Immigration should Only consist of application for citizenship.

all others are tourists, for as long as they want.

A tourist visa that serves as a federal ID for State purposes could be included with the cost of the visa.

Only lousy Capitalists, lose money on public policies.

What a bunch of crap. Diarrhea, precisely.

Should tourist get access to public schools, healthcare, welfare, and be able to vote?

Tourists seeking permanent residence could. Annual renewals should be the only requirement for permanent residence as a non-citizen/tourist.

If someone is seeking permanent residence, than is not a tourist. Plus, you don't need any qualification or skill to be a tourist.

As per your suggestion, someone can come on tourist visa and from the airport take an Uber ride to the Immigration office and ask for permanent residency, and from there continue straight to Welfare office to get benefits.

Let me ask you this: Are you on drugs at the moment?

A tourist has to establish permanence by longevity. They can Only apply for citizenship. Travel is a natural right.

Step 1: Constitution of the United States - We the People
Step 2: Ctrl+F "travel natural right"

No matches.

US citizens can travel within United States unrestricted. All others need permit to be here to do so.

 

[danielpalos]

Why are we losing money on border policies? Only lousy capitalists lose money on public polices.

Tourism is the first, second, or third largest employer in twenty-nine States.

Immigration should Only consist of application for citizenship.

all others are tourists, for as long as they want.

A tourist visa that serves as a federal ID for State purposes could be included with the cost of the visa.

Only lousy Capitalists, lose money on public policies.

What a bunch of crap. Diarrhea, precisely.

Should tourist get access to public schools, healthcare, welfare, and be able to vote?

Tourists seeking permanent residence could. Annual renewals should be the only requirement for permanent residence as a non-citizen/tourist.

If someone is seeking permanent residence, than is not a tourist. Plus, you don't need any qualification or skill to be a tourist.

As per your suggestion, someone can come on tourist visa and from the airport take an Uber ride to the Immigration office and ask for permanent residency, and from there continue straight to Welfare office to get benefits.

Let me ask you this: Are you on drugs at the moment?

why increase costs when we don't need to; the right wing refuses to pay for what we are Already spending.

That is the problem. We shouldn't be spending on those who have no right to be here. Our priorities are Americans, not foreigners.

lol. Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

 

[Ame®icano]

What a bunch of crap. Diarrhea, precisely.

Should tourist get access to public schools, healthcare, welfare, and be able to vote?

Tourists seeking permanent residence could. Annual renewals should be the only requirement for permanent residence as a non-citizen/tourist.

If someone is seeking permanent residence, than is not a tourist. Plus, you don't need any qualification or skill to be a tourist.

As per your suggestion, someone can come on tourist visa and from the airport take an Uber ride to the Immigration office and ask for permanent residency, and from there continue straight to Welfare office to get benefits.

Let me ask you this: Are you on drugs at the moment?

A tourist has to establish permanence by longevity. They can Only apply for citizenship. Travel is a natural right.

Step 1: Constitution of the United States - We the People
Step 2: Ctrl+F "travel natural right"

No matches.

US citizens can travel within United States unrestricted. All others need permit to be here to do so.

No, they don't. Natural rights are natural.

That's your claim, now back it up.

 

[danielpalos]

Tourists seeking permanent residence could. Annual renewals should be the only requirement for permanent residence as a non-citizen/tourist.

If someone is seeking permanent residence, than is not a tourist. Plus, you don't need any qualification or skill to be a tourist.

As per your suggestion, someone can come on tourist visa and from the airport take an Uber ride to the Immigration office and ask for permanent residency, and from there continue straight to Welfare office to get benefits.

Let me ask you this: Are you on drugs at the moment?

why increase costs when we don't need to; the right wing refuses to pay for what we are Already spending.

That is the problem. We shouldn't be spending on those who have no right to be here. Our priorities are Americans, not foreigners.

lol. Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

What that has anything to do with our conversation?

You either run out of arguments, or didn't have any. Try again.

Spending. Only the right wing operates in an economic fantasy world.

 

[danielpalos]

Tourists seeking permanent residence could. Annual renewals should be the only requirement for permanent residence as a non-citizen/tourist.

If someone is seeking permanent residence, than is not a tourist. Plus, you don't need any qualification or skill to be a tourist.

As per your suggestion, someone can come on tourist visa and from the airport take an Uber ride to the Immigration office and ask for permanent residency, and from there continue straight to Welfare office to get benefits.

Let me ask you this: Are you on drugs at the moment?

A tourist has to establish permanence by longevity. They can Only apply for citizenship. Travel is a natural right.

Step 1: Constitution of the United States - We the People
Step 2: Ctrl+F "travel natural right"

No matches.

US citizens can travel within United States unrestricted. All others need permit to be here to do so.

No, they don't. Natural rights are natural.

That's your claim, now back it up.

Our Constitution. I don't make excuses.

 

[BrokeLoser]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

The statistics you're quoting is the percent of immigrant families that receive any goverment assistance vs non-immigrants.

One of the programs in government assistance is free and or reduce lunch. Since immigrant families have 37% more children than non-immigrant families their usage of the program is significantly higher than non-immigrant families. Use of welfare and cash assistance programs is approximately the same for immigrants and non-immigrants as is Medicaid for immigrants and non-immigrants. When we look at the dollars spend on government assistance of immigrant families vs non-immigrant families, they are almost the same.

The immigrants I know earn their own keep.

It appears that that is not a consideration for you.

Are you replying to may post?
I know 6 (legal) immigrant families, 2 of them are related by marriage to members of my immediate family. As far as I know, all the adults have jobs. I'm sure a couple of the families have some form of government support, most likely free and reduce lunch since a family can earn as much $70,000 and still qualify for a reduction in school lunch prices depending on the number in the family.

One thing I have noticed over the years, is all the 2nd generation immigrants in these families are doing better than their parents. Knowing what life was like in the countries they came from allows them appreciate America far more than most Americans. Few native born Americans have ever know real hunger or real fear for their life or what it really means to live in a nation where opportunity is there for the taking.

That’s great news...you’re saying good Americans are only REQUIRED to foster and spoon feed one generation of wetbacks now? HAHA...that’s AWESOME!
I call BULLSHIT!

 

[Dan Stubbs]

There are some 50-60 illegal aliens living in this county on the largesse of the American taxpayer.

Such bunk, if you work in the USA your employer is required to take out taxes, (Medicare, Social Security and an estimated income tax) regardless if you are a citizen or not.

American citizens are the ones being exploited to support the Democrat voter base.

The only ones exploiting the American citizenry are the Trumpite's.
I am sure you know who I am talking about.

In my point of view of things

Other Leftists must cringe when you post.....

You're clearly an imbecile.


Now....watch me rip you a new one.....again:


"The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election



".....legal immigrants are well vetted, and if they have criminal records in their countries of origin they are generally ineligible for admission to American.

The same cannot be said for illegal aliens because virtually all adult, illegal aliens commit felonies in order to procure the documents they need to get jobs, to drive and to obtain other benefits that are restricted to U.S. citizens.

The vast majority of illegal aliens use fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers. They possess fake drivers’ licenses, phony “green cards,” fraudulent birth certificates and any other documents that U.S. citizens and legal residents have. In addition, they falsify I-9 forms under penalty of perjury. Thus, the average illegal alien routinely commits multiple felonies –forgery, Social Security fraud, identity theft, and perjury."
Most illegal aliens routinely commit felonies

They also know that crimes in the old Nation do not follow you to the USA so they can live really nice in the USA. They can buy houses, get new ID s names anything they need for money. They work at cash only jobs and hang around places like Home Depot, Lowes certain street corners. The American who hire them are the ones who support them, the Progressives only want their vote, therefore Laws are being put forth to allow voting by the Wetbacks. George Soros thinks it such a good idea he has supporting it with Millions of dollars.
Earlier, the watchdog revealed that under Barack Obama, the US government used taxpayer dollars to fund the billionaire’s controversial political activities in Guatemala, Macedonia and sued the US State Department and USAID for records about the funding and operations of George Soros’s Open Society Foundations in Romania and Colombia.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

This nation has a great poem about who to admit.
A poem by Emma Lazarus is graven on a tablet

within the pedestal on which the statue stands.



The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

All of the immigrants I know of are hard working people. But then that is California for ya. Only conservatives get welfare here as they are some of the laziest suckers i know.

That was put there by Progressives and a Bleeding heart President. It never did give the real message that Americans felt at the time. No one voted on it so it is just one persons opinion who just knew the right people to get it put there. It should be taken down, its out of date anyway. Since the Progressive are in a taking down mode they could do that one also.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The United States has “historically” put conditions on immigrants that enter this country to ensure that they would be productive members of society.

With regard to the “give me your poor” reference, the United States gave $376,739,142 in aid to Haiti in 2017 alone, the country has 10 million people. If the intention is to make life better for them there, why are we encouraging immigrants to come here? If we spent millions with the purpose to make life better in Haiti, they would have no need to come here. This happens to be one of those countries that Trump referred to as a “shithole”, a comment in reference to “Where is all these millions of dollars going?” I’d want to know what happens to a 2017 budget that’s 30 times the population of people living there (10 million population in Haiti vs over $370 million in taxpayer dollars.)

Now if you honestly don’t care about whether or not these immigrants that want to come here ARE productive members of society, then let’s cut the funding of every nation that floods our country with their people. We should not be wasting taxpayer dollars on a country if those people are actually coming here instead. It’s simple, if the United States Government desires citizens of a foreign nation to have a better life by providing funding for them there, then we don’t need to welcome an entire group of those same immigrants to be setting foot in here. If you want unproductive members of society here, then we cut that funding there. You can’t be “humanitarian” on both sides of the fence, it’s either one or the other. This is why life long, politically invested, liberal democrats want Trump out. Life long politicians don’t like an outsider businessman coming on their turf, and suddenly make executive decisions to undo what took YEARS for them to establish and build up. Politicans LOVE wasting money, and the federal government is the least financially efficient agency you’ll find.

I get it. The government shucks, America sucks from your point of view.

Also I'm not gonna defend the limits on immigrants from Asia if the railroad wasn' importing them era. You are right there.

I'm also not a NO LIMIT guy. The real debate here is how many we can take in. Some polarizing posters get ppl here distracted from that with their name calling and encourage them to dig their heels into the sand.

How about next year we double the # of immigrants we allow in, but demand they move to states with negative population growth for ten years after coming? south st louis did well with a bunch of uneducated eastern europeans a decade or so back for example.

No, I don’t think our country sucks. Actually I just approached the subject historically and using rational common sense. Evidently from
that kind of response, it’s not something you’re accustomed to seeing. I simply interjected the question surrounding just one country, based on data provided courtesy of usaid.gov. If we are spending over $300 million a year in an effort to provide the people of that country with a better way of life, then why exactly are we also encouraging them to come here? If they are coming here, we really don’t need to be wasting taxpayer dollars over there. A very simple question that anyone reading it can basically follow and understand.

Also historically our nation has generally requested some form of information, to see if those immigrants seeking citizenship has the ability to become productive members of society. We have also restricted access based on our nation’s economic situation or in time of war with those nations we are engaged with. This raises another point. Show me where in the Constitution or through legislative law where the United States is “obligated” to even take immigrants if the executive branch or elected administration chooses not to.

With respect to your response, our Federal Government can not force a state to take on all their immigrants over any other. Show me where it’s written that our Federal Government has that kind of power to force an influx of immigrants or refugees onto selected states.

They don't. I did not say they do. But they should. The combination of "they's" is comical but you get my point.

Want to maintain the empire? We better maintain the population.

We also better create young healthy Americans who want to work. Importing the elderly parents of models and trophy wives isn't gonna cut it. Capitalism needs competition for labor and housing to work.

Plus hey, pull down the statue in the harbor and we can talk. Can't just be having it there to pretend we do it. Most of the forms of christian Jesus just know what you're doing.

So when you can no longer support your argument on the issue, when facts are presented, you try your luck on sarcasm. You could at least make an attempt to validate your point with facts of your own, instead of going through a meaningless rant that does nothing to prove your point.

So what’s your answer to the welfare issue? Because once you open the door to allowing any immigrant entry regardless of where they are coming from, allowing for no background checks, no efforts made on their part to contribute to our society. ... then someone evidently MUST care for and support them. Theas millions of immigrants you simply want to open the door to won’t contribute to any taxes, because the ability to become a contributing member of society is no longer valid in your view.

Let’s talk cost related to the health care mandate, parts of Obamacare are still in place for EVERY citizen. Do you think those costs President Obama promised will go down? Let’s be honest. Have you considered the care associated with over 20 million additional.. non productive .. immigrants that you want to allow? How does an increase in your Health Care payments and premiums sound to you? How much do you still want to see healtg care go up by? Those immigrants you want to allow, don’t contribute to any taxes because the ability to become a contributing member of society is no longer valid in your view.

Sarcasm is easy when you never took the time to consider the details and cost associated with what you’re asking. How much are you willing to see your taxes go up, to compensate for your overwhelming generosity to care for them?

Does merely discussing the facts really bother you this much?

Our opinions on maintaining an empire or even our real estate values must be different. I say population growth really helps.

I've also read plenty of how this immigrant from here or these from there were worthless and going to end America. Lord forbid we ever get a Catholic or Black President even. So you aren't going to convince me immigrants haven't been good for this country. Thank goodness we have brownies in fact or else our WASPS and Catholics might be fighting over who was an Irish / Brit Quadroon or something equally ridiculous.

Our Trophy Hunter in Chief imports immigrants for himself even. (sorry, I've listened to complaint's about Clinton's sex life for 25 years. Time to put up with something I don't even really care about until 2040ish)

So yeah, pony up, be proud of your opinions, I'm proud of mine. Yours are not entirely baseless and neither is an argument for Eugenics. Just some roads I'm not willing to go down.

Get out there and tear down the statue from France you obviously don't believe in.

First, you haven’t read plenty on immigration, or you would have been able to have a stronger argument to your point. I did not say immigration was bad. Actually what I said was our country’s own history has always placed certain conditions on their immigration policy based on our nation’s own economy or national interest. You haven’t discredited that. Had you “read plenty” on the subject, you wouldn’t have so easily avoided the issues surrounding (1) welfare, (2) the government taxpayer costs associated with caring for an immigrant’s health care due to the new mandate, (3) those who don’t work and pay taxes to contribute rather than simply seeking Federal assistance.

You see, your argument is otherwise strictly just an emotional one devoid of facts or rational thought. You haven’t given ANY reason towards the point of simply allowing any immigrant entry without restrictions. I’m not going to convince someone who bases their whole argument and reasoning through their “emotions”.

To your other point. You see immigrants are made up from more than just Catholics or Irish. We have Germans, those from Eastern Europe, Palestine, Israel, all over the orient, from African countries, etc. They each work harder than you, having to learn our system of government, go beyond their own native language to become fluent in English, learn and respect our laws, all in order to assimilate and learn how to thrive in our society. We didn’t have German road signs, or government forms written to make it easier for those coming from the Ukraine, no Russian or Japanese interpreters at every Motor Vehicle facility. They each worked hard at understanding our language AND culture to try and bring a better way of life for their children. So I think you have a lot to learn about immigrants, beyond just the Catholics, and the Irish. You can bring blacks into the discussion, but guess what ... at least the blacks in Great Britain refer themselves as being “English”. So excuse me if I don’t agree wiyh your attempts to interject race into this subject. You still have a LOT to learn about immigration.

 

[Flopper]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

The statistics you're quoting is the percent of immigrant families that receive any goverment assistance vs non-immigrants.

One of the programs in government assistance is free and or reduce lunch. Since immigrant families have 37% more children than non-immigrant families their usage of the program is significantly higher than non-immigrant families. Use of welfare and cash assistance programs is approximately the same for immigrants and non-immigrants as is Medicaid for immigrants and non-immigrants. When we look at the dollars spend on government assistance of immigrant families vs non-immigrant families, they are almost the same.

The immigrants I know earn their own keep.

It appears that that is not a consideration for you.

Are you replying to may post?
I know 6 (legal) immigrant families, 2 of them are related by marriage to members of my immediate family. As far as I know, all the adults have jobs. I'm sure a couple of the families have some form of government support, most likely free and reduce lunch since a family can earn as much $70,000 and still qualify for a reduction in school lunch prices depending on the number in the family.

One thing I have noticed over the years, is all the 2nd generation immigrants in these families are doing better than their parents. Knowing what life was like in the countries they came from allows them appreciate America far more than most Americans. Few native born Americans have ever know real hunger or real fear for their life or what it really means to live in a nation where opportunity is there for the taking.

That’s great news...you’re saying good Americans are only REQUIRED to foster and spoon feed one generation of wetbacks now? HAHA...that’s AWESOME!
I call BULLSHIT!

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

 

[BrokeLoser]

.....and why?


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



1. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.


2. Continuing on the theme, one of education for the deluded Democrat voters....

“The New York State Department of Corrections has collected information about the top ten nationalities in its prisons for years—.... Foreign inmates were 70 percent more likely to have committed a violent crime than American criminals. They were also twice as likely to have committed a class A felony, such as aggravated murder, kidnapping, and terrorism."
Data here: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2008/Impact_of_Foreign-Born_Inmates_2008.pdf

But....what the heck.....they vote Democrat.



3. In 2010, the top ten countries of the foreign-born inmates in NY were:

Dominican Republic: 1,314

Jamaica: 849

Mexico: 523

Guyana: 289

El Salvador: 245

Cuba: 242

Trinidad and Tobago: 237

Haiti: 201

Ecuador: 189

Colombia: 168


BTW....between 1985 and 1999, the native-born in the prison population increased 99%.
During that time, the foreign-born in the prison population increased 251%.
http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2010/ForeignBorn_IRP_Report_2009.pdf

Gee.....it's almost as if they were invited in......


4. Of course this is not the slant one gets from the house organ of the Democrat Party, the NYTimes.

"Most readers are agog at the number of Dominicans in New York prisons, having spent years reading New York Times articles about Dominicans’ “entrepreneurial zeal,”21 and “traditional immigrant virtues.” Even in an article about the Dominicans’ domination of the crack cocaine business, the Times praised their “savvy,” which had allowed them to become “highly successful” drug dealers, then hailed their drug-infested neighborhoods as the “embodiment of the American Dream—a vibrant, energetic urban melting pot.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Hence, the importance of re-education camps for Liberal simpletons: balance the truth about what Democrat policies have done, and who they have invited to a neighborhood near you.



There is an answer.....I'll get to it.

The statistics you're quoting is the percent of immigrant families that receive any goverment assistance vs non-immigrants.

One of the programs in government assistance is free and or reduce lunch. Since immigrant families have 37% more children than non-immigrant families their usage of the program is significantly higher than non-immigrant families. Use of welfare and cash assistance programs is approximately the same for immigrants and non-immigrants as is Medicaid for immigrants and non-immigrants. When we look at the dollars spend on government assistance of immigrant families vs non-immigrant families, they are almost the same.

The immigrants I know earn their own keep.

It appears that that is not a consideration for you.

Are you replying to may post?
I know 6 (legal) immigrant families, 2 of them are related by marriage to members of my immediate family. As far as I know, all the adults have jobs. I'm sure a couple of the families have some form of government support, most likely free and reduce lunch since a family can earn as much $70,000 and still qualify for a reduction in school lunch prices depending on the number in the family.

One thing I have noticed over the years, is all the 2nd generation immigrants in these families are doing better than their parents. Knowing what life was like in the countries they came from allows them appreciate America far more than most Americans. Few native born Americans have ever know real hunger or real fear for their life or what it really means to live in a nation where opportunity is there for the taking.

That’s great news...you’re saying good Americans are only REQUIRED to foster and spoon feed one generation of wetbacks now? HAHA...that’s AWESOME!
I call BULLSHIT!

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

 

[Flopper]

The statistics you're quoting is the percent of immigrant families that receive any goverment assistance vs non-immigrants.

One of the programs in government assistance is free and or reduce lunch. Since immigrant families have 37% more children than non-immigrant families their usage of the program is significantly higher than non-immigrant families. Use of welfare and cash assistance programs is approximately the same for immigrants and non-immigrants as is Medicaid for immigrants and non-immigrants. When we look at the dollars spend on government assistance of immigrant families vs non-immigrant families, they are almost the same.

The immigrants I know earn their own keep.

It appears that that is not a consideration for you.

Are you replying to may post?
I know 6 (legal) immigrant families, 2 of them are related by marriage to members of my immediate family. As far as I know, all the adults have jobs. I'm sure a couple of the families have some form of government support, most likely free and reduce lunch since a family can earn as much $70,000 and still qualify for a reduction in school lunch prices depending on the number in the family.

One thing I have noticed over the years, is all the 2nd generation immigrants in these families are doing better than their parents. Knowing what life was like in the countries they came from allows them appreciate America far more than most Americans. Few native born Americans have ever know real hunger or real fear for their life or what it really means to live in a nation where opportunity is there for the taking.

That’s great news...you’re saying good Americans are only REQUIRED to foster and spoon feed one generation of wetbacks now? HAHA...that’s AWESOME!
I call BULLSHIT!

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.