I'm curious. Do republicans in general believe democrats/liberals want to end capitalism?

[bripat9643]

Of course not. They just want to get back to the days of 90 percent taxation.

90% certainly isn't healthy but a high percentage still is. Take the 50's. That was a time of huge economic growth and the tax percentage on the wealthy was 70%.

Wrong. It was 90% in the 50s. It didn't get down to 70% until the Kennedy administration.

 

[bripat9643]

Most economies in the world today are a mixture of socialism and capitalism.
Can anyone name a pure socialistic or pure capitalist nation? They might exist, but where?

So?

 

[bripat9643]

I really am just asking. Some cons on here seem to believe that. To what degree are we talking about? Like they think liberals want the government to take over the economy and create some sort of dystopian socialist craphole? Where do you people draw the line on this? Speak broadly.

I mean sure, some socialists (not liberals by definition) in this country would prefer to see the end of capitalism, but I dont think repubs realize just how small of a minority they are. .I personally am not part of that minority. I think major reforms need to be made, but I sure as hell dont want to change the basic fundamentals of the free market system. I fully support private enterprise, I just think it needs rules and regulations that serve the greater good. The leftwing is on a spectrum. Repubs seem to forget that. Their black and white thinking causes a great deal of confusion I think.

Just because I oppose libertarianism, it does not mean I want to change the major fundamentals of the economy and the constitution. .

Billy,,look at how you wrote the OP ,.what you wrote is a ruse ...
Do you love your country or not?
You say you do but you want to transform it to a place it will never be, we have way to many cons here that will fight you tooth and nail, so you will never get your way.

Do you really think the founding fathers could have possibly predicted how our free market system has evolved? There's no way. Had they known of what it has become, they would have set down some serious rules. Like it or not, our designers were liberals.

You are seriously confused, if they were liberals why Didn't they out law slavery in 1776,? Why Didn't they give woman the right to vote in 1776?

True, they should have been more socially progressive, but I believe they were liberal (not libertarian) in their philosophy of the government.

Let me put it this way: they believed in socialist aspects.

I appreciate your honesty, that's what I am saying they were not liberals, in todays definition of the word

Modern liberals claim the Founding Fathers were liberals when the former need to pretend they are Patriotic Americans.

 

[regent]

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Most economies in the world today are a mixture of socialism and capitalism.
Can anyone name a pure socialistic or pure capitalist nation? They might exist, but where?

So?

So, can you name any, or not?

 

[bripat9643]

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Most economies in the world today are a mixture of socialism and capitalism.
Can anyone name a pure socialistic or pure capitalist nation? They might exist, but where?

So?

So, can you name any, or not?

What difference would it make?

 

[regent]

[

Most economies in the world today are a mixture of socialism and capitalism.
Can anyone name a pure socialistic or pure capitalist nation? They might exist, but where?

So?

So, can you name any, or not?

What difference would it make?

If someone could name a pure socialistic or capitalist nation I would like to know the name or names. Wouldn't you? Or do you believe that all the nations economic systems on this planet are indeed mixtures of socialism and capitalism?

 

[OKTexas]

I really am just asking. Some cons on here seem to believe that. To what degree are we talking about? Like they think liberals want the government to take over the economy and create some sort of dystopian socialist craphole? Where do you people draw the line on this? Speak broadly.

I mean sure, some socialists (not liberals by definition) in this country would prefer to see the end of capitalism, but I dont think repubs realize just how small of a minority they are. .I personally am not part of that minority. I think major reforms need to be made, but I sure as hell dont want to change the basic fundamentals of the free market system. I fully support private enterprise, I just think it needs rules and regulations that serve the greater good. The leftwing is on a spectrum. Repubs seem to forget that. Their black and white thinking causes a great deal of confusion I think.

Just because I oppose libertarianism, it does not mean I want to change the major fundamentals of the economy and the constitution. .

Bullshit, you've supported every damned thing you dear leader has done to chip away at the very foundation of our Constitution. Why do you always start threads with lies?

 

[danielpalos]

Of course not. They just want to get back to the days of 90 percent taxation.

To the contrary, it is the right's obsession with a warfare-State that requires taxation on Individuals. A welfare-State does not.

 

[danielpalos]

Of course not. They just want to get back to the days of 90 percent taxation.

90% certainly isn't healthy but a high percentage still is. Take the 50's. That was a time of huge economic growth and the tax percentage on the wealthy was 70%.

some on the left believe it can't be real times of war if the right cannot justify wartime tax rates for their overseas, endeavors.

 

[danielpalos]

Considering how many I've known who have been avowed socialists, and in a few cases supportive of open class war, I would say "generally yes".

my version of class warfare is to simply goad the wealthiest into insisting their public servants simply purchase the finest solutions money can buy, with an official Mint at their disposal.

 

[Billy000]

I really am just asking. Some cons on here seem to believe that. To what degree are we talking about? Like they think liberals want the government to take over the economy and create some sort of dystopian socialist craphole? Where do you people draw the line on this? Speak broadly.

I mean sure, some socialists (not liberals by definition) in this country would prefer to see the end of capitalism, but I dont think repubs realize just how small of a minority they are. .I personally am not part of that minority. I think major reforms need to be made, but I sure as hell dont want to change the basic fundamentals of the free market system. I fully support private enterprise, I just think it needs rules and regulations that serve the greater good. The leftwing is on a spectrum. Repubs seem to forget that. Their black and white thinking causes a great deal of confusion I think.

Just because I oppose libertarianism, it does not mean I want to change the major fundamentals of the economy and the constitution. .

Bullshit, you've supported every damned thing you dear leader has done to chip away at the very foundation of our Constitution. Why do you always start threads with lies?

So you're bringing up Obama...why? I made no mention of him or his policies.

 

[danielpalos]

Democrats have never seen a private enterprise they do not hate.

Exception: Those enterprises they inherited from their more ambitious forebears.

In modern times, some on left may believe we should be Using capitalism for all of its worth.

 

[Billy000]

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Most economies in the world today are a mixture of socialism and capitalism.
Can anyone name a pure socialistic or pure capitalist nation? They might exist, but where?

So?

So, can you name any, or not?

What difference would it make?

If someone could name a pure socialistic or capitalist nation I would like to know the name or names. Wouldn't you? Or do you believe that all the nations economic systems on this planet are indeed mixtures of socialism and capitalism?

Well I can tell you there is no such thing as a libertarian nation because they could not possibly function.

 

[danielpalos]

Look at that electronic device in front of your noses comrades! Free market competition? Private capitalization? Bahhh. It didn't take millions of people and hundreds of billions of private investment dollars to produce that marvel in front of you, did it? No, the Central Committee and the genius of Great Leader bestowed such gifts. Hail Great Leader!

socialism already took us to the moon and back, last millennium; capitalism has yet to discover a profit motive.

 

[OKTexas]

I really am just asking. Some cons on here seem to believe that. To what degree are we talking about? Like they think liberals want the government to take over the economy and create some sort of dystopian socialist craphole? Where do you people draw the line on this? Speak broadly.

I mean sure, some socialists (not liberals by definition) in this country would prefer to see the end of capitalism, but I dont think repubs realize just how small of a minority they are. .I personally am not part of that minority. I think major reforms need to be made, but I sure as hell dont want to change the basic fundamentals of the free market system. I fully support private enterprise, I just think it needs rules and regulations that serve the greater good. The leftwing is on a spectrum. Repubs seem to forget that. Their black and white thinking causes a great deal of confusion I think.

Just because I oppose libertarianism, it does not mean I want to change the major fundamentals of the economy and the constitution. .

Bullshit, you've supported every damned thing you dear leader has done to chip away at the very foundation of our Constitution. Why do you always start threads with lies?

So you're bringing up Obama...why? I made no mention of him or his policies.

You said you support the Constitution, yet you support the actions some one who doesn't. You see a conflict there?

 

[Billy000]

I really am just asking. Some cons on here seem to believe that. To what degree are we talking about? Like they think liberals want the government to take over the economy and create some sort of dystopian socialist craphole? Where do you people draw the line on this? Speak broadly.

I mean sure, some socialists (not liberals by definition) in this country would prefer to see the end of capitalism, but I dont think repubs realize just how small of a minority they are. .I personally am not part of that minority. I think major reforms need to be made, but I sure as hell dont want to change the basic fundamentals of the free market system. I fully support private enterprise, I just think it needs rules and regulations that serve the greater good. The leftwing is on a spectrum. Repubs seem to forget that. Their black and white thinking causes a great deal of confusion I think.

Just because I oppose libertarianism, it does not mean I want to change the major fundamentals of the economy and the constitution. .

Bullshit, you've supported every damned thing you dear leader has done to chip away at the very foundation of our Constitution. Why do you always start threads with lies?

So you're bringing up Obama...why? I made no mention of him or his policies.

You said you support the Constitution, yet you support the actions some one who doesn't. You see a conflict there?

Well this is completely irrelevant but I'll say this: Constitutional law is very complicated. I only trust the experts. I don't trust what MSNBC or Fox News says about Obama and the constitution. I sincerely doubt you yourself knows much about the nuances of constitutional law and I wouldn't blame you. I don't either. I think there is too much politics around that issue. I think if Obama did take liberties with it, it would be no worse than any other president that has.

 

[OKTexas]

I really am just asking. Some cons on here seem to believe that. To what degree are we talking about? Like they think liberals want the government to take over the economy and create some sort of dystopian socialist craphole? Where do you people draw the line on this? Speak broadly.

I mean sure, some socialists (not liberals by definition) in this country would prefer to see the end of capitalism, but I dont think repubs realize just how small of a minority they are. .I personally am not part of that minority. I think major reforms need to be made, but I sure as hell dont want to change the basic fundamentals of the free market system. I fully support private enterprise, I just think it needs rules and regulations that serve the greater good. The leftwing is on a spectrum. Repubs seem to forget that. Their black and white thinking causes a great deal of confusion I think.

Just because I oppose libertarianism, it does not mean I want to change the major fundamentals of the economy and the constitution. .

Bullshit, you've supported every damned thing you dear leader has done to chip away at the very foundation of our Constitution. Why do you always start threads with lies?

So you're bringing up Obama...why? I made no mention of him or his policies.

You said you support the Constitution, yet you support the actions some one who doesn't. You see a conflict there?

Well this is completely irrelevant but I'll say this: Constitutional law is very complicated. I only trust the experts. I don't trust what MSNBC or Fox News says about Obama and the constitution. I sincerely doubt you yourself knows much about the nuances of constitutional law and I wouldn't blame you. I don't either. I think there is too much politics around that issue. I think if Obama did take liberties with it, it would be no worse than any other president that has.

First, it's not irrelevant, it goes directly to what you stated in the OP. Second, are you saying you haven't applauded your dear leader every time he has thumbed his nose at laws he disagreed with, including his non-recess recess appointments at the NLRB which the legal and constitutional novices at the Supreme Court slapped him down with a unanimous 9-0 decision?

 

[Billy000]

I really am just asking. Some cons on here seem to believe that. To what degree are we talking about? Like they think liberals want the government to take over the economy and create some sort of dystopian socialist craphole? Where do you people draw the line on this? Speak broadly.

I mean sure, some socialists (not liberals by definition) in this country would prefer to see the end of capitalism, but I dont think repubs realize just how small of a minority they are. .I personally am not part of that minority. I think major reforms need to be made, but I sure as hell dont want to change the basic fundamentals of the free market system. I fully support private enterprise, I just think it needs rules and regulations that serve the greater good. The leftwing is on a spectrum. Repubs seem to forget that. Their black and white thinking causes a great deal of confusion I think.

Just because I oppose libertarianism, it does not mean I want to change the major fundamentals of the economy and the constitution. .

Bullshit, you've supported every damned thing you dear leader has done to chip away at the very foundation of our Constitution. Why do you always start threads with lies?

So you're bringing up Obama...why? I made no mention of him or his policies.

You said you support the Constitution, yet you support the actions some one who doesn't. You see a conflict there?

Well this is completely irrelevant but I'll say this: Constitutional law is very complicated. I only trust the experts. I don't trust what MSNBC or Fox News says about Obama and the constitution. I sincerely doubt you yourself knows much about the nuances of constitutional law and I wouldn't blame you. I don't either. I think there is too much politics around that issue. I think if Obama did take liberties with it, it would be no worse than any other president that has.

First, it's not irrelevant, it goes directly to what you stated in the OP. Second, are you saying you haven't applauded your dear leader every time he has thumbed his nose at laws he disagreed with, including his non-recess recess appointments at the NLRB which the legal and constitutional novices at the Supreme Court slapped him down with a unanimous 9-0 decision?

I don't have an opinion on that because I know nothing about it. Tell me, did Bush ever violate the constitution?

 

[OKTexas]

Bullshit, you've supported every damned thing you dear leader has done to chip away at the very foundation of our Constitution. Why do you always start threads with lies?

So you're bringing up Obama...why? I made no mention of him or his policies.

You said you support the Constitution, yet you support the actions some one who doesn't. You see a conflict there?

Well this is completely irrelevant but I'll say this: Constitutional law is very complicated. I only trust the experts. I don't trust what MSNBC or Fox News says about Obama and the constitution. I sincerely doubt you yourself knows much about the nuances of constitutional law and I wouldn't blame you. I don't either. I think there is too much politics around that issue. I think if Obama did take liberties with it, it would be no worse than any other president that has.

First, it's not irrelevant, it goes directly to what you stated in the OP. Second, are you saying you haven't applauded your dear leader every time he has thumbed his nose at laws he disagreed with, including his non-recess recess appointments at the NLRB which the legal and constitutional novices at the Supreme Court slapped him down with a unanimous 9-0 decision?

I don't have an opinion on that because I know nothing about it. Tell me, did Bush ever violate the constitution?

Really, you have no opinion on what you have or have not supported? Are you suffering from dementia? And stop trying to change the subject, this is about a statement you made, not Bush.

 

[Billy000]

So you're bringing up Obama...why? I made no mention of him or his policies.

You said you support the Constitution, yet you support the actions some one who doesn't. You see a conflict there?

Well this is completely irrelevant but I'll say this: Constitutional law is very complicated. I only trust the experts. I don't trust what MSNBC or Fox News says about Obama and the constitution. I sincerely doubt you yourself knows much about the nuances of constitutional law and I wouldn't blame you. I don't either. I think there is too much politics around that issue. I think if Obama did take liberties with it, it would be no worse than any other president that has.

First, it's not irrelevant, it goes directly to what you stated in the OP. Second, are you saying you haven't applauded your dear leader every time he has thumbed his nose at laws he disagreed with, including his non-recess recess appointments at the NLRB which the legal and constitutional novices at the Supreme Court slapped him down with a unanimous 9-0 decision?

I don't have an opinion on that because I know nothing about it. Tell me, did Bush ever violate the constitution?

Really, you have no opinion on what you have or have not supported? Are you suffering from dementia? And stop trying to change the subject, this is about a statement you made, not Bush.

Lol interesting. I made no mention of Obama in my thread yet you felt compelled to bring him up yet when I bring up Bush you wig out. Lol grow up dude will you?

My thread is my OWN views on the constitution. It was never about Obama and you know it. I already told you I don't have an opinion on what you're talking about. I don't know if you are right or wrong. Just be a grown up and accept what I say, k pumpkin?