I'm changing my politcal lean

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seems a litte harsh steph, a lot of people feel uneasy about the party choices, or the man they voted for in 08

Not harsh, just telling the truth.:lol:[/QUOTE

no, i don't see questioning the stance of the gop as being anything but what it is, not necessarily a gateway drug to liberal alley, and the poltical intellectual equivalent to skid row.

The person said they want to see the age of Consent lowed to 13 for crying out loud.
I'm not arguing with ya, gotta go to a birthday party. see ya.
 
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Wait a second.....Atlas Shrugged is being made into a movie? I don't know how I feel about this.
 
Let me start by saying that I've been a conservative and Republican my entire adult life, but lately I have been finding myself veering away from the Grand Old Party. Conservativism is, or at least was, based on the principle of a small government that provides people with both personal and economic freedoms. Unfortunately now being a conservative seemingly means that you you want a big and powerful government, just like the liberals want. Initially I supported the status quo, keeping everything the way it has been, since while the world most certainly isn't perfect, it's still around and America is still the best and most powerful hegemony in the world.

Being a conservative has always meant that you disagree with the liberals, but now you're not only supposed to disagree with them, but you're supposed to hate them, harass them, and blame everything that ever goes wrong on them. These new leaders of conservativism such as Sarah Palin, they don't represent what I believe in. I have some very differing political beliefs, incorporating ideas from both parties.

For instance, I support gun ownership, abortion, animal rights, stem cell research, eugenics, genetics, Jonathanland independence, LGBT rights, prostitution, marijuana legalization, human cloning, womens' rights, teen rights, space exploration, energy conservation, environmental protection, Americanization, globalization, sexual freedoms, NATO, pro-Israel, pro-South Korea, lowering the age of consent to 13, and lowering the drinking age to 18. However I'm opposed to illegal immigration, censorship, government surveillance, recognition of the Palestinian Territories, terrorism, school uniforms, slavery, unethical business practices, creating an unfriendly environment for businesses, pork barrel projects, rewriting the US Constitution, Muslims who want special treatment, Westboro not-Baptist Church, and the death penalty. I'm mixed on issues such as the War on Terrorism, massive military spending, socialized healthcare, NAFTA, ban of fully automatic weapons, and socialized education. So I really just don't know where I stand anymore and am changing my political lean to independent.

Putting your whiny second paragraph aside, based upon the list of issues that you support, I don't know what in the hell would lead you to claim that you've been "a conservative and Republican my entire adult life"....congrats though on coming to terms with it.
 
Let me start by saying that I've been a conservative and Republican my entire adult life, but lately I have been finding myself veering away from the Grand Old Party. Conservativism is, or at least was, based on the principle of a small government that provides people with both personal and economic freedoms. Unfortunately now being a conservative seemingly means that you you want a big and powerful government, just like the liberals want. Initially I supported the status quo, keeping everything the way it has been, since while the world most certainly isn't perfect, it's still around and America is still the best and most powerful hegemony in the world.

Being a conservative has always meant that you disagree with the liberals, but now you're not only supposed to disagree with them, but you're supposed to hate them, harass them, and blame everything that ever goes wrong on them. These new leaders of conservativism such as Sarah Palin, they don't represent what I believe in. I have some very differing political beliefs, incorporating ideas from both parties.

For instance, I support gun ownership, abortion, animal rights, stem cell research, eugenics, genetics, Jonathanland independence, LGBT rights, prostitution, marijuana legalization, human cloning, womens' rights, teen rights, space exploration, energy conservation, environmental protection, Americanization, globalization, sexual freedoms, NATO, pro-Israel, pro-South Korea, lowering the age of consent to 13, and lowering the drinking age to 18. However I'm opposed to illegal immigration, censorship, government surveillance, recognition of the Palestinian Territories, terrorism, school uniforms, slavery, unethical business practices, creating an unfriendly environment for businesses, pork barrel projects, rewriting the US Constitution, Muslims who want special treatment, Westboro not-Baptist Church, and the death penalty. I'm mixed on issues such as the War on Terrorism, massive military spending, socialized healthcare, NAFTA, ban of fully automatic weapons, and socialized education. So I really just don't know where I stand anymore and am changing my political lean to independent.

Then get out of the GOP...and by the way IF you're a Conservative? *YOU* should know that the terms Conservatism, and Republican as of late aren't synonmous...And the GOP is on probation...
 
Wow, it seems like this guy is being proven accurate. Seems to be an awful lotta anger being thrown around by those who seem to have their political identities being challenged. Kinda reminds me of seeing homophobes freaking out because they're insecure with their sexuality, when you say they're gay.
 
Not harsh, just telling the truth.:lol:[/QUOTE

no, i don't see questioning the stance of the gop as being anything but what it is, not necessarily a gateway drug to liberal alley, and the poltical intellectual equivalent to skid row.

The person said they want to see the age of Consent lowed to 13 for crying out loud.
I'm not arguing with ya, gotta go to a birthday party. see ya.

i missed that... too roman pulanski, that does change things. is that why he wants to be a democrat ? man....
 
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Then get out of the GOP...and by the way IF you're a Conservative? *YOU* should know that the terms Conservatism, and Republican as of late aren't synonmous...And the GOP is on probation...

You will be the kind leaving the party, The T.

George Will: Weird wing of GOP hurts conservative cause
Mar 6, 2011 ... George Will: Weird wing of GOP hurts conservative cause ... we don't have a college record, we don't have a birth cer — why, Mr. Obama, did you spend ... George Will: Wisconsin's protesters are minority of minority ...
billingsgazette.com/.../george_will/article_191730ac-f1f9-5e07-9f0f-03e3d6ff1502.html - Cached
 
I fear that in order to turn it into a good movie will require stripping it of what makes the book what it is-a zealous, and flawed, political commentary.
 
Then get out of the GOP...and by the way IF you're a Conservative? *YOU* should know that the terms Conservatism, and Republican as of late aren't synonmous...And the GOP is on probation...

You will be the kind leaving the party, The T.

George Will: Weird wing of GOP hurts conservative cause
Mar 6, 2011 ... George Will: Weird wing of GOP hurts conservative cause ... we don't have a college record, we don't have a birth cer — why, Mr. Obama, did you spend ... George Will: Wisconsin's protesters are minority of minority ...
billingsgazette.com/.../george_will/article_191730ac-f1f9-5e07-9f0f-03e3d6ff1502.html - Cached

Fuck off Jokey. You are talking out of yer ass again. You have no fucking clue..BOY.
 
Then get out of the GOP...and by the way IF you're a Conservative? *YOU* should know that the terms Conservatism, and Republican as of late aren't synonmous...And the GOP is on probation...

You will be the kind leaving the party, The T.

George Will: Weird wing of GOP hurts conservative cause
Mar 6, 2011 ... George Will: Weird wing of GOP hurts conservative cause ... we don't have a college record, we don't have a birth cer — why, Mr. Obama, did you spend ... George Will: Wisconsin's protesters are minority of minority ...
billingsgazette.com/.../george_will/article_191730ac-f1f9-5e07-9f0f-03e3d6ff1502.html - Cached

Fuck off Jokey. You are talking out of yer ass again. You have no fucking clue..BOY.

Talk to George Will, son. Your kind is not wanted in the party.
 
You will be the kind leaving the party, The T.

George Will: Weird wing of GOP hurts conservative cause
Mar 6, 2011 ... George Will: Weird wing of GOP hurts conservative cause ... we don't have a college record, we don't have a birth cer — why, Mr. Obama, did you spend ... George Will: Wisconsin's protesters are minority of minority ...
billingsgazette.com/.../george_will/article_191730ac-f1f9-5e07-9f0f-03e3d6ff1502.html - Cached

Fuck off Jokey. You are talking out of yer ass again. You have no fucking clue..BOY.

Talk to George Will, son. Your kind is not wanted in the party.

MilqueToast Will? You have to be joking...He's OLD GUARD Repubican. He doesn't matter....only to you and whatever vapid point that your are attempting to make...

Stop posting shit that YOU don't belive anyhow...you are only confusing yourself and looking as the usual fool.
 
Modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfishness.

Because it's not at all selfish to take money from others to give to yourself through government programs.

Who should control wealth:

People who produce it or

People who want to sponge off the people who produce it?
 
Let me start by saying that I've been a conservative and Republican my entire adult life, but lately I have been finding myself veering away from the Grand Old Party. Conservativism is, or at least was, based on the principle of a small government that provides people with both personal and economic freedoms. Unfortunately now being a conservative seemingly means that you you want a big and powerful government, just like the liberals want. Initially I supported the status quo, keeping everything the way it has been, since while the world most certainly isn't perfect, it's still around and America is still the best and most powerful hegemony in the world.

Being a conservative has always meant that you disagree with the liberals, but now you're not only supposed to disagree with them, but you're supposed to hate them, harass them, and blame everything that ever goes wrong on them. These new leaders of conservativism such as Sarah Palin, they don't represent what I believe in. I have some very differing political beliefs, incorporating ideas from both parties.

For instance, I support gun ownership, abortion, animal rights, stem cell research, eugenics, genetics, Jonathanland independence, LGBT rights, prostitution, marijuana legalization, human cloning, womens' rights, teen rights, space exploration, energy conservation, environmental protection, Americanization, globalization, sexual freedoms, NATO, pro-Israel, pro-South Korea, lowering the age of consent to 13, and lowering the drinking age to 18. However I'm opposed to illegal immigration, censorship, government surveillance, recognition of the Palestinian Territories, terrorism, school uniforms, slavery, unethical business practices, creating an unfriendly environment for businesses, pork barrel projects, rewriting the US Constitution, Muslims who want special treatment, Westboro not-Baptist Church, and the death penalty. I'm mixed on issues such as the War on Terrorism, massive military spending, socialized healthcare, NAFTA, ban of fully automatic weapons, and socialized education. So I really just don't know where I stand anymore and am changing my political lean to independent.
.....And, this is (all) supposed to mean....what? :eusa_eh:

Why do you feel some heavy-duty need to announce your political lean?? :eusa_eh:
 
Let me start by saying that I've been a conservative and Republican my entire adult life, but lately I have been finding myself veering away from the Grand Old Party. Conservativism is, or at least was, based on the principle of a small government that provides people with both personal and economic freedoms. Unfortunately now being a conservative seemingly means that you you want a big and powerful government, just like the liberals want. Initially I supported the status quo, keeping everything the way it has been, since while the world most certainly isn't perfect, it's still around and America is still the best and most powerful hegemony in the world.

Being a conservative has always meant that you disagree with the liberals, but now you're not only supposed to disagree with them, but you're supposed to hate them, harass them, and blame everything that ever goes wrong on them. These new leaders of conservativism such as Sarah Palin, they don't represent what I believe in. I have some very differing political beliefs, incorporating ideas from both parties.

For instance, I support gun ownership, abortion, animal rights, stem cell research, eugenics, genetics, Jonathanland independence, LGBT rights, prostitution, marijuana legalization, human cloning, womens' rights, teen rights, space exploration, energy conservation, environmental protection, Americanization, globalization, sexual freedoms, NATO, pro-Israel, pro-South Korea, lowering the age of consent to 13, and lowering the drinking age to 18. However I'm opposed to illegal immigration, censorship, government surveillance, recognition of the Palestinian Territories, terrorism, school uniforms, slavery, unethical business practices, creating an unfriendly environment for businesses, pork barrel projects, rewriting the US Constitution, Muslims who want special treatment, Westboro not-Baptist Church, and the death penalty. I'm mixed on issues such as the War on Terrorism, massive military spending, socialized healthcare, NAFTA, ban of fully automatic weapons, and socialized education. So I really just don't know where I stand anymore and am changing my political lean to independent.

well said... i am a "non party conservative".
....And, that means what....to you....your need to identify yourself as a "conservative"??

:eusa_eh:
 
Let me start by saying that I've been a conservative and Republican my entire adult life
let us examine this claim...

but lately I have been finding myself veering away from the Grand Old Party. Conservativism is, or at least was, based on the principle of a small government that provides people with both personal and economic freedoms.
well, you seem to know the overall scheem, but then every progressive knows this.
Unfortunately now being a conservative seemingly means that you you want a big and powerful government, just like the liberals want.
hows that?
Initially I supported the status quo, keeping everything the way it has been
Keeping the progressive advances and attacks on liberty the way they are? Thats not a very "conserrvative" point of view.
, since while the world most certainly isn't perfect, it's still around and America is still the best and most powerful hegemony in the world.
Hegomony? When did conservatives ever espouse that? Power over others is a progressive penchant.
Being a conservative has always meant that you disagree with the liberals, but now you're not only supposed to disagree with them, but you're supposed to hate them, harass them, and blame everything that ever goes wrong on them.
now you sound like the typical leftist moron asking for "civility" while offering none
These new leaders of conservativism such as Sarah Palin, they don't represent what I believe in. I have some very differing political beliefs, incorporating ideas from both parties.
Leaving Palin out of it, who I don't support, this statement exposes one thing, you're not a conservative. Why did you lie and say you were?
For instance, I support gun ownership
Thats great, how do you feel about bearing arms and do you support keeping and bearing assault weapons?
, abortion
Why would you support allowing one person to deprive another person of life without due process of law? Certainly not a conservative principle
, animal rights
Animals are property, property has no rights.
, stem cell research
If pharmaceutical companies can make a profit off of their research why shouldn't they support it instead of me and you? Again, I'm not seeing a whole lot of "conservtivism here
, eugenics,
killing off the weak is the hallmark of early 20th century progressive thought
genetics, Jonathanland independence, LGBT rights, prostitution, marijuana legalization, human cloning, womens' rights, teen rights, space exploration, energy conservation, environmental protection, Americanization, globalization, sexual freedoms,
A laundry list of "special rights"... tell us, what makes these people so inferior that they need special rights to protect them?
NATO, pro-Israel, pro-South Korea,
this is neither conservative nor liberal, though progressive are doing thier pest to politicize it
lowering the age of consent to 13, and lowering the drinking age to 18.
you support pedophelia?
However I'm opposed to illegal immigration, censorship, government surveillance, recognition of the Palestinian Territories, terrorism, school uniforms, slavery, unethical business practices, creating an unfriendly environment for businesses, pork barrel projects, rewriting the US Constitution, Muslims who want special treatment, Westboro not-Baptist Church, and the death penalty.
another laundry list of platitudes most of which no one would "support" whether conservative nor liberal, ending of course with your opposition of killing the guilty after your previous support of killing the innocent... not seeing any "conservativism" here.
I'm mixed on issues such as the War on Terrorism
you'd rather surrender to it?
massive military spending,
you want to fight a war with sling shots?
socialized healthcare,
you claimed to be a conservative and your "mixed" on socialist health care?
you'd prefer protectionist tarriffs?
, ban of fully automatic weapons,
oh, then you don't support gun rights. Why did you lie and say you did?
and socialized education. So I really just don't know where I stand anymore and am changing my political lean to independent.
you're a progressive, nothing but a progressive.

How many times to progressives think they can go to message boards and claim to have been conservative republicans who are now "rethinking" their affiliations? Who do you people think you're fooling?
 
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