Illinois Governor Election

[Nyvin]

I'm really kind of torn going into the home stretch on this one.

I will probably vote for Bruce Rauner. He's really kind of Romney without the screwball religion, the kind of heartless corporate douche that has ruined this country. But Illinois is so bad off, we probably need that kind of harsh medicine right now.

Pat Quinn is a good guy who never, ever should have been governor. He just doesn't have the leadership chops for it.

Heartless corp douche? Um, he has spent millions of dollars supporting Charter Schools in Chicago. Those schools are 1000 fold better than the craptasitic public schools!

He did this for poor minority kids. He did this well before he decided to run for office.

Inside Bruce Rauner s charter schools - Chicago Sun-Times

Rauner gave $19 million to charity and many of them schools and liberal causes!
Inside Bruce Rauner s charter schools - Chicago Sun-Times

He came from nothing to be a very wealthy man! Why in god's name do you liberals hold his self made success against him?

Rauner's dad was a lawyer and Vice president of Motorola. He didn't exactly "come from nothing"

 

[JoeB131]

World War II is the only reason why the USA had that prosperity

the rest of the world had World War II, too. Hense, why they called it "World War, 2" Not all of it had prosperity.

 

[JoeB131]

Um, that's just a tad simplistic. Of course it may have taken you all morning to come up with it.
But just to review: FDR "stuck it" to rich assholes and we had the Great Depression. A decade of stagnation, unemployment, and poverty that Obozo seems to be trying to emulate.

Again, you can say this shit, but we had the Great Depression well before FDR got there. and we were mostly out of it by the end of his first term. (Hense, why he got a second term. and a third term. ANd a fourth term.)

WW2 and the destruction of foreign manufacturing accounted for much of the growth in the 1950s/60s.

Not true, the industry of most of the rest of the world was back up and running by 1950.

Unions and regulations stymied innovation, as the Japs ate our industrial lunch in the 1970s.

Guy, if you want to emulate Japan, they had and have a higher unionization rate than we did, they had a more extensive social welfare state, and they had stronger regulations than we did. YOu see, a funny thing about Japan. After we got done pounding it into rubble, we sent in a bunch of New Dealers in there to help their rebuild.

Reagan rolled back some of the punitive taxes and regs and we had prosperity until GHW Bush compromised with Democrats in Congress and raused taxes.

Again, the Recession hit long before Bush reneged on his "No New Taxes". Oh, by the way, do you know WHY he had to say that? Because REagan raised taxes after cutting them when the Trickle Down fairy didn't materialize.

 

[The Rabbi]

Um, that's just a tad simplistic. Of course it may have taken you all morning to come up with it.
But just to review: FDR "stuck it" to rich assholes and we had the Great Depression. A decade of stagnation, unemployment, and poverty that Obozo seems to be trying to emulate.

Again, you can say this shit, but we had the Great Depression well before FDR got there. and we were mostly out of it by the end of his first term. (Hense, why he got a second term. and a third term. ANd a fourth term.)

WW2 and the destruction of foreign manufacturing accounted for much of the growth in the 1950s/60s.

Not true, the industry of most of the rest of the world was back up and running by 1950.

Unions and regulations stymied innovation, as the Japs ate our industrial lunch in the 1970s.

Guy, if you want to emulate Japan, they had and have a higher unionization rate than we did, they had a more extensive social welfare state, and they had stronger regulations than we did. YOu see, a funny thing about Japan. After we got done pounding it into rubble, we sent in a bunch of New Dealers in there to help their rebuild.

Reagan rolled back some of the punitive taxes and regs and we had prosperity until GHW Bush compromised with Democrats in Congress and raused taxes.

Again, the Recession hit long before Bush reneged on his "No New Taxes". Oh, by the way, do you know WHY he had to say that? Because REagan raised taxes after cutting them when the Trickle Down fairy didn't materialize.

Actually I thought things improved because Democrats ran the House for most of that time. Right?

 

[JoeB131]

Actually I thought things improved because Democrats ran the House for most of that time. Right?

Um. no.

Maybe you should try some stretching excercises before you do the "thinking" part.

Here's the thing about Reagan's economy you guys don't get. Reagan INTENTIONALLY drove up unemployment just like Carter did in the early 1980's. Inflation was running out of control, and they considered it more important to control inflation than keeping people in good jobs. People forget that today when most years, inflation runs about 2%.

After inflation was controlled, then the Fed started letting loose with the money again, and Reagan got unemployment down to 7.2%, just a bit below where he found it when he beat Carter.

 

[The Rabbi]

Actually I thought things improved because Democrats ran the House for most of that time. Right?

Um. no.

Maybe you should try some stretching excercises before you do the "thinking" part.

Here's the thing about Reagan's economy you guys don't get. Reagan INTENTIONALLY drove up unemployment just like Carter did in the early 1980's. Inflation was running out of control, and they considered it more important to control inflation than keeping people in good jobs. People forget that today when most years, inflation runs about 2%.

After inflation was controlled, then the Fed started letting loose with the money again, and Reagan got unemployment down to 7.2%, just a bit below where he found it when he beat Carter.

UE January 1981==7.5%
UE January 1989==5.4%
Any other lies you'd care to tell, Joe? Or is that enough bullshit for one day?

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh yeah.
Labor force participation rate:
Jan 1981==63.9
Janu 1989==66.5
So Reagan had a bigger percentage of more peeople working.
Obama has a bigger percentage of fewer people working.

The more you know, the more you know Joe blows.

 

[JoeB131]

UE January 1981==7.5%
UE January 1989==5.4%
Any other lies you'd care to tell, Joe? Or is that enough bullshit for one day?

I was referring to his first term, dipshit. But that's okay, man. Keep believing that Reagan legend that he wasn't a senile old actor who crapped his pants.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh yeah.
Labor force participation rate:
Jan 1981==63.9
Janu 1989==66.5
So Reagan had a bigger percentage of more peeople working.
Obama has a bigger percentage of fewer people working.

The more you know, the more you know Joe blows.

Uh, yeah, guy, but here's the thing. Thanks to old Senile, slightly more people might have been working, but they were working harder for less money.

Reagan s Real Legacy The Nation

During his two terms in the White House (1981–89), Reagan presided over a widening gap between the rich and everyone else, declining wages and living standards for working families, an assault on labor unions as a vehicle to lift Americans into the middle class, a dramatic increase in poverty and homelessness, and the consolidation and deregulation of the financial industry that led to the current mortgage meltdown, foreclosure epidemic and lingering recession.

The number of people living beneath the federal poverty line rose from 26.1 million in 1979 to 32.7 million in 1988. Meanwhile, the rich got much richer. By the end of the decade, the richest 1 percent of Americans had 39 percent of the nation’s wealth.

Another of Reagan’s enduring legacies is the steep increase in the number of homeless people, which by the late 1980s had swollen to 600,000 on any given night—and 1.2 million over the course of a year. Many were Vietnam veterans, children and laid-off workers.

 

[JoeB131]

The REAL Reagan Legacy.

 

[crpravens82]

World War II is the only reason why the USA had that prosperity

the rest of the world had World War II, too. Hense, why they called it "World War, 2" Not all of it had prosperity.

You really do not know your history..

 

[JoeB131]

World War II is the only reason why the USA had that prosperity

the rest of the world had World War II, too. Hense, why they called it "World War, 2" Not all of it had prosperity.

You really do not know your history..

Uh, yeah, I do.

Point was, the New Deal put us in a position to benefit from the war and dominate the world that followed.

 

[HenryBHough]

The only reason Obama hasn't started WW-III in emulation of FDR's approach to ending a depression? He's too chickenshit. The Democrat Party won't make that kind of mistake again in a hurry....hell, they're already disowning Him.

 

[Nyvin]

The only reason Obama hasn't started WW-III in emulation of FDR's approach to ending a depression? He's too chickenshit. The Democrat Party won't make that kind of mistake again in a hurry....hell, they're already disowning Him.

Because FDR started WW2.....