Illegals, Unemployment and Food Stamps Down, Markets Soar

[Conservative65]

So having 47 million, a record on food stamps, meant a good economy. Record numbers not in the workforce meant a good economy.

Your response takes me back to early to mid 2009 when Obama had been in office 6 months. Something were going poorly with the economy. His supporters stated that it can't be his fault, he hasn't been if office long enough. Funny thing was when something went well with the economy, those same people were quick to give him credit despite having not been in office long enough to get blame when things went poorly. Explain to me how if new Presidents do not have an effect on the economy for at least a year, how could Obama positively effect the economy in less than a year but not negatively effect it.

And I agree. Whatever gains or losses the economy made in 2009 had nothing to do with Obama. Even if it were a gain. Credit would go to Bush.

Credit didn't go to Bush. Obama supporters saying he couldn't get blamed because of the short time in office were giving him credit despite the time in office being the same. Now, those same ones still give Obama credit for the good and blame Trump for the bad.

I guess when the only reason you support someone in office is because he's black, you'll make any excuse for him before or after.

Obama couldn't have been blamed for the economic disaster in 2009. Just like if the economy were bad now, Trump couldn't be blamed for it. It would be Obama's fault.

No one is blaming Trump for all the bad. Anything that Trump is blames for is his own doing. Most people's grip with Trump is his unhinged attitude, nepotism and juvenile behavior.

No one has blamed him for any economic issues.

Obama claimed that if a $787 billion dollar stimulus was passed unemployment wouldn't go above 8%. It went above 10% and you lefties want to blame Bush. Since Obama made the claim, it's his fault when it failed.

Most people's gripe, meaning the losers of the election, with Trump is that he beat Hillary. They can't handle that the one they never thought would lose lost to someone they consider an idiot. If you think someone is an idiot yet you can't beat him/her, that doesn't say a lot about you.

Who didn't fault Obama. Despite what Fox News was telling you, a lot of people on the left didn't agree with the stimulus bill. Maybe centrist democrats, but a lot of people saw it was a failure.

Secondly, when you Trumpsters realize this isn't about who lost. Its about what is happening now. I voted for Hilary but only because she was the lesser of the evil. If the Republican Party had elected someone else as their party's nominee I have may have voted republican. But they instead chose Agent Orange.

I wanted to be proven wrong about Trump. I wanted him to be a good leader. But all he has shown since inauguration day is his ass. I wanted to be wrong about Trump so bad.

Most people on the left don't give a shit about Hilary. We didn't want her anyway. The right are the ones who keep bringing Hilary up and thinking people are sad about her not winning. People are upset that Trump is leading this country into hell and not because Hilary lost.

The lefties that claimed he hadn't been in office long enough to get blamed for the economy. They are the same ones that gave him credit despite the time being the same.

At least we didn't vote for someone because of what she had between her legs or the color of her skin like with Obama.

 

[Conservative65]

Ya'll lefties can believe whatever fantasy you want, but as a business person and a capitalist, there is no doubt Trump's election has boosted my, and my fellow business owner and rich friends', confidence amazingly.

In November 2016 I was ready to follow in the footsteps of many of my friends and move out of the country because I felt the election of Hillary Clinton sent America down a path that I would not be part of (socialism/communism.) By December 2016 I'd made over $100k off the market surge on the tails of President Trump's election - money I immediately put into small business ventures in the lower 48. I've funded four start-ups now (though my clothing manufacture business guy decided not to go forward - I was rather excited about that one too Ah well, can't win them all)

That's $100k and four businesses that would /not/ exist had President Trump not been elected. Regardless of what you think, 100% guarantee that the current surge is Trump's baby.

Dudettte, Your guy wants to lower taxes on the rich and cut benefits for the poor; why wouldn't the rich be more confident?

Of course. Would you like to take a guess at what us rich people do when we're confident we could make more money? (Hint: I've already given you the answer)

Expatriate it and let the poor, "take the blame"?

Again, if you lefties want to [play] stupid that's your choice - just understand that you're not being honest with yourself and live with it.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting pretty on a half a mill gain since the President's election, and my latest business investments haven't even come to fruition yet heh

The right wing is literally, incredible, when y'all claim that.

The Only thing the right wing likes to do most, is complain about the "hard working poor" sending money home.

If the hard working poor have enough excess to send the money home, there is no need to provide them with things like food stamps. They can use the excess.

 

[Conservative65]

Ya'll lefties can believe whatever fantasy you want, but as a business person and a capitalist, there is no doubt Trump's election has boosted my, and my fellow business owner and rich friends', confidence amazingly.

In November 2016 I was ready to follow in the footsteps of many of my friends and move out of the country because I felt the election of Hillary Clinton sent America down a path that I would not be part of (socialism/communism.) By December 2016 I'd made over $100k off the market surge on the tails of President Trump's election - money I immediately put into small business ventures in the lower 48. I've funded four start-ups now (though my clothing manufacture business guy decided not to go forward - I was rather excited about that one too Ah well, can't win them all)

That's $100k and four businesses that would /not/ exist had President Trump not been elected. Regardless of what you think, 100% guarantee that the current surge is Trump's baby.

Dudettte, Your guy wants to lower taxes on the rich and cut benefits for the poor; why wouldn't the rich be more confident?

Why shouldn't those that have been overpaying get a break those refusing to do for themselves start supporting themselves for a change?

You must be on the right wing. The hardest workers, are the poor, not the rich.

You must be one of those idiots that thinks only doing certain types of things means hard work. You must be on the left wing.

 

[jillian]

Terribly unfashionable to mention these things, especially in the wake of Trump's stunning victory, but these are good things. <Russia/Russia/Russia is way cooler, eh?>

July jobs report: U.S. has added a million jobs in Trump's first six months

stock market is up because they think they won't be prosecuted for screwing people and regulations are being lifted.

you're welcome.

 

[jillian]

Dudettte, Your guy wants to lower taxes on the rich and cut benefits for the poor; why wouldn't the rich be more confident?

Of course. Would you like to take a guess at what us rich people do when we're confident we could make more money? (Hint: I've already given you the answer)

Expatriate it and let the poor, "take the blame"?

Again, if you lefties want to [play] stupid that's your choice - just understand that you're not being honest with yourself and live with it.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting pretty on a half a mill gain since the President's election, and my latest business investments haven't even come to fruition yet heh

The right wing is literally, incredible, when y'all claim that.

The Only thing the right wing likes to do most, is complain about the "hard working poor" sending money home.

If the hard working poor have enough excess to send the money home, there is no need to provide them with things like food stamps. They can use the excess.

if they're hardworking poor, they're still poor...

what excess?

 

[Conservative65]

Of course. Would you like to take a guess at what us rich people do when we're confident we could make more money? (Hint: I've already given you the answer)

Expatriate it and let the poor, "take the blame"?

Again, if you lefties want to [play] stupid that's your choice - just understand that you're not being honest with yourself and live with it.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting pretty on a half a mill gain since the President's election, and my latest business investments haven't even come to fruition yet heh

The right wing is literally, incredible, when y'all claim that.

The Only thing the right wing likes to do most, is complain about the "hard working poor" sending money home.

... I've never heard that complaint before. Do you have links to cite this?

I've heard the right complain about illegals sending money home, I've heard the right complain about welfare abuse, I've heard the right complain about single parent families causing generational welfare. I've heard the right say that increasing minimum wage hurts small business. I've heard the right say that McDonald's and similar low skill jobs are not meant to raise a family on. All of which I can see where they are coming from, even if I think it's not so black and white...

Dear, the right wing Only complains about the poor:

Super Rich Hide $21 Trillion Offshore, Study Says

Don't confuse expecting people at some point in their lives to do for themselves with a complaint.

Seems the left wing only complains about the rich and how much MORE they should pay in order to hand to those unwilling to do for themselves.

 

[Conservative65]

Terribly unfashionable to mention these things, especially in the wake of Trump's stunning victory, but these are good things. <Russia/Russia/Russia is way cooler, eh?>

July jobs report: U.S. has added a million jobs in Trump's first six months

stock market is up because they think they won't be prosecuted for screwing people and regulations are being lifted.

you're welcome.

Yet when the stock market was up under Obama it was because he was doing so much. Sure. Pucker up. That narcissistic asshole likes his ass kissed and you seem to like doing it.

 

[Conservative65]

I disagree. Most "people" [read SJW, far left, and regressive's] "gripe" with Trump is that they lost. If we want to psychoanalyze it, their "vision" for the nations future was just shot down and they don't know how to deal with it because they've never had to deal with a "loss" in their coddled little lives. It should also be noted that the loudly bitching ones are the same ones who cheer on anarchists and foreign terrorist groups who violently oppose supporters of the President. In other words they're worthless chaff who's opinions don't particularly matter.

"Decent" American's on the left don't particularly have a "gripe" with President Trump anymore than one might typically have for a "opposition" president, basically they're waiting to see what he does and hoping things work out in America's best interest. Then there's the "real" American left, those classical liberals who are not so intellectually dishonest as to feign outrage nor ignorance as to President Trump's speaking style and actions - they can see that it's just a difference of opinion as to /how/ to make America great again vs calling everyone who disagrees with their particular political pathway as "Nazi's" or "Traitors" (which is patently rediculious and childish.)

They simply can't handle they lost. Sad part is they consider Trump an idiot, unhinged, childish, etc. yet they still lost. It's like the team losing an athletic event then blaming the referees for their failures.

Heh bad example, I've watched way too much Football...

That said, meh, most of the crying ones are college kids, easily sucked in by peer pressure and not exactly "on their own" nor "mature" yet. The majority of them will come around when they grow up and start providing for their own families. The sadder part is the criminal ones who will never come around and will live their entire lives like third world citizens, they've most likely already dropped out of high school, joined gangs, got addicted to drugs, and most likely they've had friends or family killed, if not killed people themselves... I have a very military family with many veterans, and yet, I cannot imagine this equivalent of spending one's life in a war (or living in what amounts to a warzone) - much less would I ever choose to do so willingly. I cannot help but wonder about the intelligence of the ones making those choices... I oft feel it is akin to peer pressure and feel that we can beat it, if only we could be honest about what was happening. The SJW think they are doing good, but they are causing more harm than good - if /they/ had hearts they would stop playing games with other peoples lives, but like their masters, they are inherently selfish, greedy, entitled brats who care nothing for the damage they and their votes are causing... ~SMH~

So have I and heard plenty of complaints that a referee cost the team doing the complaining the game.

At one point in time, I could agree with you about the majority coming around. The longer I live the more I see continuing to support the things that fit into the football example. How many of those parents, the ones you say grow up and start providing for their families support the "free college" plan the lefties propose? Too many. If they didn't you wouldn't hear the left pushing for it. Plenty more examples where they don't grow up.

 

[Conservative65]

Of course. Would you like to take a guess at what us rich people do when we're confident we could make more money? (Hint: I've already given you the answer)

Expatriate it and let the poor, "take the blame"?

Again, if you lefties want to [play] stupid that's your choice - just understand that you're not being honest with yourself and live with it.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting pretty on a half a mill gain since the President's election, and my latest business investments haven't even come to fruition yet heh

The right wing is literally, incredible, when y'all claim that.

The Only thing the right wing likes to do most, is complain about the "hard working poor" sending money home.

If the hard working poor have enough excess to send the money home, there is no need to provide them with things like food stamps. They can use the excess.

if they're hardworking poor, they're still poor...

what excess?

You'll have to ask danielpalos about the excess. He said the hard working poor have money to send home. If they're so poor they have to rely on others to be forced to support them through social welfare, how can they send something home? If they have enough to send home, they have enough to provide for themselves so others aren't forced to do so.

It's like the food stamp leeches in the convenient stores that use EBT to buy candy bars, sodas, etc. Funny how so many of them have excess money to buy things not funded by EBT such as lottery tickets and cigarettes. I see it too often.

 

[EverCurious]

I disagree. Most "people" [read SJW, far left, and regressive's] "gripe" with Trump is that they lost. If we want to psychoanalyze it, their "vision" for the nations future was just shot down and they don't know how to deal with it because they've never had to deal with a "loss" in their coddled little lives. It should also be noted that the loudly bitching ones are the same ones who cheer on anarchists and foreign terrorist groups who violently oppose supporters of the President. In other words they're worthless chaff who's opinions don't particularly matter.

"Decent" American's on the left don't particularly have a "gripe" with President Trump anymore than one might typically have for a "opposition" president, basically they're waiting to see what he does and hoping things work out in America's best interest. Then there's the "real" American left, those classical liberals who are not so intellectually dishonest as to feign outrage nor ignorance as to President Trump's speaking style and actions - they can see that it's just a difference of opinion as to /how/ to make America great again vs calling everyone who disagrees with their particular political pathway as "Nazi's" or "Traitors" (which is patently rediculious and childish.)

They simply can't handle they lost. Sad part is they consider Trump an idiot, unhinged, childish, etc. yet they still lost. It's like the team losing an athletic event then blaming the referees for their failures.

Heh bad example, I've watched way too much Football...

That said, meh, most of the crying ones are college kids, easily sucked in by peer pressure and not exactly "on their own" nor "mature" yet. The majority of them will come around when they grow up and start providing for their own families. The sadder part is the criminal ones who will never come around and will live their entire lives like third world citizens, they've most likely already dropped out of high school, joined gangs, got addicted to drugs, and most likely they've had friends or family killed, if not killed people themselves... I have a very military family with many veterans, and yet, I cannot imagine this equivalent of spending one's life in a war (or living in what amounts to a warzone) - much less would I ever choose to do so willingly. I cannot help but wonder about the intelligence of the ones making those choices... I oft feel it is akin to peer pressure and feel that we can beat it, if only we could be honest about what was happening. The SJW think they are doing good, but they are causing more harm than good - if /they/ had hearts they would stop playing games with other peoples lives, but like their masters, they are inherently selfish, greedy, entitled brats who care nothing for the damage they and their votes are causing... ~SMH~

So have I and heard plenty of complaints that a referee cost the team doing the complaining the game.

At one point in time, I could agree with you about the majority coming around. The longer I live the more I see continuing to support the things that fit into the football example. How many of those parents, the ones you say grow up and start providing for their families support the "free college" plan the lefties propose? Too many. If they didn't you wouldn't hear the left pushing for it. Plenty more examples where they don't grow up.

Depends where you go/ask. My mother is a classic liberal and she's not keen on free college because too many kids don't apply themselves. The argument is that the kids would improve their "lot in life" if they had free college - but as we see exampled in K-12, when it's free the kids tend to think nothing of dropping out and tend to not apply themselves. When it's paid, even if parents are paying for it (vs the kid paying for it themselves) there is a level of "control" on how much is "wasted" on kids who don't put their best efforts into it.

There is, in my mind, a major problem with the theory of "college degree == better pay" and that's college degree required job saturation; frankly there is no need for a college degree for many more jobs than one needs one at. I think their wish for free college is actually a bit of a three fold sticky: 1. "I don't want to spend /my/ money on it" and 2. the somewhat misguided idea that they can maintain the "leg up over other applicants if you have a college degree" factor even if they saturate the job market with degree holders (I could argue however that social science degrees are about useless and that's what most of these freeloaders have so they'd be considered meaningless in most positions that could make real money - aside from indicating that said applicant is able to sit in a desk for a couple hours straight...) 3. would be the foolish idea that having a degree will somehow make up for the fact that these kids have shitty work ethics; they don't want to get to work on time, refuse to set down their phones while working, and bitch /constantly/ about "how hard they work for not enough to pay their bills" (while simultaneously showing off the $300 purse they bought instead of filling their gas tank.) Frankly the current output of colleges are damn near a complete waste of a businessman's time/effort/money as the shits have no clue how to function in the real world, tend to think that they can pop off at customers over any imagined slight, and typically cause a shit-ton of drama with co-workers because they cannot help but bitch and whine about every "micro" outrage. If they had "needed" skills maybe it'd balance out, but from what I can tell, there is almost no difference between hiring a high schooler and a college student these days, in fact, you're better off hiring the HS drop out because at least they don't have delusions that "they know better" and won't try to tell /you/ how to run /your/ company, pay and manage your employees, and insist they know "how the world works" heh

 

[RealDave]

Terribly unfashionable to mention these things, especially in the wake of Trump's stunning victory, but these are good things. <Russia/Russia/Russia is way cooler, eh?>

July jobs report: U.S. has added a million jobs in Trump's first six months

Almost as many jobs as Obama the previous six months.

So we are celebrating Trump didn't fuck it up yet?

 

[Faun]

Terribly unfashionable to mention these things, especially in the wake of Trump's stunning victory, but these are good things. <Russia/Russia/Russia is way cooler, eh?>

July jobs report: U.S. has added a million jobs in Trump's first six months

We've been averaging 2.6 million a year for the last 3 years now. 2.2 million for the last 7.

Poor, orange guy... Obama's beating him again in yet another department.

 

[Faun]

Thanks Obama.

Got to love the liberal logic, Bush is responsible for the shit economy under Obama and Obama is responsible for the booming economy under Trump.

Logic is a difficult thing for cons to grasp. That's probably why you struggle with the consistency of this logic. Be that as it may.... Bush was responsible for the economy into the beginning of Obama's presidency since we were still operating under Bush's final budget and because Bush handed Obama a shit economy. Which is the same logic as we are still operating under Obama's final budget and Obama handed Trump a good economy.

 

[August West]

The economy has been on the upswing for 5 years which everybody but FOX viewers knew.
STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At All
Most dogs know more than FOX viewers and 2 university studies have confirmed that.

Non Fox viewers just know more fake news and lies than anybody else.

Are there 2 university studies that confirm that? I didn`t think so.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

Thanks Obama.

Got to love the liberal logic, Bush is responsible for the shit economy under Obama and Obama is responsible for the booming economy under Trump.

Logic is a difficult thing for cons to grasp. That's probably why you struggle with the consistency of this logic. Be that as it may.... Bush was responsible for the economy into the beginning of Obama's presidency since we were still operating under Bush's final budget and because Bush handed Obama a shit economy. Which is the same logic as we are still operating under Obama's final budget and Obama handed Trump a good economy.

You people are fucking laughable, you place blame on your failures on your opponents and take credit for their successes, fucking kill yourself. Obama handed over a shit economy, anyone who says different is a lying propagandist.

 

[Faun]

Thanks Obama.

Got to love the liberal logic, Bush is responsible for the shit economy under Obama and Obama is responsible for the booming economy under Trump.

Logic is a difficult thing for cons to grasp. That's probably why you struggle with the consistency of this logic. Be that as it may.... Bush was responsible for the economy into the beginning of Obama's presidency since we were still operating under Bush's final budget and because Bush handed Obama a shit economy. Which is the same logic as we are still operating under Obama's final budget and Obama handed Trump a good economy.

You people are fucking laughable, you place blame on your failures on your opponents and take credit for their successes, fucking kill yourself. Obama handed over a shit economy, anyone who says different is a lying propagandist.

Again... for the hard of learning... for consistency's sake... Obama is responsible for the economy he handed Trump just like Bush was responsible for the economy he handed Obama. And calling the economy Obama handed Trump, a "shit economy," only exposes your own ignorance.

 

[danielpalos]

And I agree. Whatever gains or losses the economy made in 2009 had nothing to do with Obama. Even if it were a gain. Credit would go to Bush.

Credit didn't go to Bush. Obama supporters saying he couldn't get blamed because of the short time in office were giving him credit despite the time in office being the same. Now, those same ones still give Obama credit for the good and blame Trump for the bad.

I guess when the only reason you support someone in office is because he's black, you'll make any excuse for him before or after.

Obama couldn't have been blamed for the economic disaster in 2009. Just like if the economy were bad now, Trump couldn't be blamed for it. It would be Obama's fault.

No one is blaming Trump for all the bad. Anything that Trump is blames for is his own doing. Most people's grip with Trump is his unhinged attitude, nepotism and juvenile behavior.

No one has blamed him for any economic issues.

Obama claimed that if a $787 billion dollar stimulus was passed unemployment wouldn't go above 8%. It went above 10% and you lefties want to blame Bush. Since Obama made the claim, it's his fault when it failed.

Most people's gripe, meaning the losers of the election, with Trump is that he beat Hillary. They can't handle that the one they never thought would lose lost to someone they consider an idiot. If you think someone is an idiot yet you can't beat him/her, that doesn't say a lot about you.

Who didn't fault Obama. Despite what Fox News was telling you, a lot of people on the left didn't agree with the stimulus bill. Maybe centrist democrats, but a lot of people saw it was a failure.

Secondly, when you Trumpsters realize this isn't about who lost. Its about what is happening now. I voted for Hilary but only because she was the lesser of the evil. If the Republican Party had elected someone else as their party's nominee I have may have voted republican. But they instead chose Agent Orange.

I wanted to be proven wrong about Trump. I wanted him to be a good leader. But all he has shown since inauguration day is his ass. I wanted to be wrong about Trump so bad.

Most people on the left don't give a shit about Hilary. We didn't want her anyway. The right are the ones who keep bringing Hilary up and thinking people are sad about her not winning. People are upset that Trump is leading this country into hell and not because Hilary lost.

The lefties that claimed he hadn't been in office long enough to get blamed for the economy. They are the same ones that gave him credit despite the time being the same.

At least we didn't vote for someone because of what she had between her legs or the color of her skin like with Obama.

lol. Your guy has nothing but pander.

 

[danielpalos]

Dudettte, Your guy wants to lower taxes on the rich and cut benefits for the poor; why wouldn't the rich be more confident?

Of course. Would you like to take a guess at what us rich people do when we're confident we could make more money? (Hint: I've already given you the answer)

Expatriate it and let the poor, "take the blame"?

Again, if you lefties want to [play] stupid that's your choice - just understand that you're not being honest with yourself and live with it.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting pretty on a half a mill gain since the President's election, and my latest business investments haven't even come to fruition yet heh

The right wing is literally, incredible, when y'all claim that.

The Only thing the right wing likes to do most, is complain about the "hard working poor" sending money home.

If the hard working poor have enough excess to send the money home, there is no need to provide them with things like food stamps. They can use the excess.

Right wingers are so droll. Why do One Percenters, need a tax break.

 

[danielpalos]

Ya'll lefties can believe whatever fantasy you want, but as a business person and a capitalist, there is no doubt Trump's election has boosted my, and my fellow business owner and rich friends', confidence amazingly.

In November 2016 I was ready to follow in the footsteps of many of my friends and move out of the country because I felt the election of Hillary Clinton sent America down a path that I would not be part of (socialism/communism.) By December 2016 I'd made over $100k off the market surge on the tails of President Trump's election - money I immediately put into small business ventures in the lower 48. I've funded four start-ups now (though my clothing manufacture business guy decided not to go forward - I was rather excited about that one too Ah well, can't win them all)

That's $100k and four businesses that would /not/ exist had President Trump not been elected. Regardless of what you think, 100% guarantee that the current surge is Trump's baby.

Dudettte, Your guy wants to lower taxes on the rich and cut benefits for the poor; why wouldn't the rich be more confident?

Why shouldn't those that have been overpaying get a break those refusing to do for themselves start supporting themselves for a change?

You must be on the right wing. The hardest workers, are the poor, not the rich.

You must be one of those idiots that thinks only doing certain types of things means hard work. You must be on the left wing.

Fish or be lazy. Isn't that y'alls, "motto"?

 

[danielpalos]

Expatriate it and let the poor, "take the blame"?

Again, if you lefties want to [play] stupid that's your choice - just understand that you're not being honest with yourself and live with it.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting pretty on a half a mill gain since the President's election, and my latest business investments haven't even come to fruition yet heh

The right wing is literally, incredible, when y'all claim that.

The Only thing the right wing likes to do most, is complain about the "hard working poor" sending money home.

... I've never heard that complaint before. Do you have links to cite this?

I've heard the right complain about illegals sending money home, I've heard the right complain about welfare abuse, I've heard the right complain about single parent families causing generational welfare. I've heard the right say that increasing minimum wage hurts small business. I've heard the right say that McDonald's and similar low skill jobs are not meant to raise a family on. All of which I can see where they are coming from, even if I think it's not so black and white...

Dear, the right wing Only complains about the poor:

Super Rich Hide $21 Trillion Offshore, Study Says

Don't confuse expecting people at some point in their lives to do for themselves with a complaint.

Seems the left wing only complains about the rich and how much MORE they should pay in order to hand to those unwilling to do for themselves.

Yeah, right. The right wing has "streets named after them called, One Way."