If you secede, you forfeit your SS and Medicare

[JakeStarkey]

Doesn't matter.

 

[Samson]

It appears Texas receives back whatever it pays

I'm surprised California actually receives back LESS

 

[WorldWatcher]

>

True. Just as the online petitions at whitehouse.gov don't matter.

If there are some that really and truley believe that their State should secede, get a bill before the State legislature or follow that States citizen ballot initiative/referendum process. Until that happens it just bloviating.


>>>>

 

[bripat9643]

Naw, we will keep them and the red states. Anybody who wants to resign citizenship and leave is free to do so.

No one put you in charge of that, moron.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have no say about it, bripat. Run along.

 

[bripat9643]

You have no say about it, bripat. Run along.

And neither do you, dipstick.

 

[Too Tall]

Is any of this not factual?

1. You have to be a US citizen to qualify for Medicare.

2. Medicare law prohibits paying foreign healthcare providers. If Texas, for example, seceded, it would become a foreign country.

3. If your state were to secede but you wanted to stay in the state, retain your US citizenship, and cross the border to receive your Medicare benefit now or in the future, you could do that, but,

if you retain your US citizenship you are still liable for federal income taxes.

Is this not factual?

A citizen of Texas would send their taxes to Austin, not Washington DC.

It is always about the money.

And that citizen would lose his Medicare and Social Security no matter how much he paid into it.

Additionally, Texas is a state that gets back from Washington, in spending, about what Texans pay to Washington, in taxes.

If the state secedes, they get nothing from Washington, so Texans would still have to see their state taxes raised to make up most of the difference.

Since Texas doesn't have a state income tax, they could pass a law to collect one. My guess is that it would be nowhere near as much as the Federal Income tax they would no longer have to pay.

 

[bripat9643]

Since Texas doesn't have a state income tax, they could pass a law to collect one. My guess is that it would be nowhere near as much as the Federal Income tax they would no longer have to pay.

The point of seceding is not to imitate all the atrocities of the federal government.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Far more than you. I destroyed the libertarian and racist wings here. I forced the Tea Party folks to stop shouting in the town meetings here. And we got a good non-TP asskissing Republican elected to Congress.

We don't need or want your types, bripat.

And there are 100s of local leaders like me throughout the South and growing. GOP were helpful in defeating Walsh, West, Akin, and Mourdouch. In particular look at the GOP ads led by McCain against Akin. That is what is going to happen in the primaries in two years if the TP brats fail to mild.

You have no say about it, bripat. Run along.

And neither do you, dipstick.

 

[bripat9643]

Who is "we," Fakey? If you ever showed your ugly mug in any of the meetings of conservatives I've been to, you would be run out of there at the end of a pitch fork.
You're a bogus Republican. If you're actually registered as a Republican, it's only so you can undermine the party. Not a single Republican in this forum believes you are legit, yet you claim you have hundreds of followers.

Who do you think you're fooling?

You're a buffoon, Fakey. Everyone is laughing at you, even the libturds.

Who do you think you're fooling?

Far more than you. I destroyed the libertarian and racist wings here. I forced the Tea Party folks to stop shouting in the town meetings here. And we got a good non-TP asskissing Republican elected to Congress.

We don't need or want your types, bripat.

And there are 100s of local leaders like me throughout the South and growing. GOP were helpful in defeating Walsh, West, Akin, and Mourdouch. In particular look at the GOP ads led by McCain against Akin. That is what is going to happen in the primaries in two years if the TP brats fail to mild.

You have no say about it, bripat. Run along.

And neither do you, dipstick.

 

[tinydancer]

so what? come to Canada. Everyone else does

 

[Samson]

Is this not factual?

A citizen of Texas would send their taxes to Austin, not Washington DC.

It is always about the money.

And that citizen would lose his Medicare and Social Security no matter how much he paid into it.

Additionally, Texas is a state that gets back from Washington, in spending, about what Texans pay to Washington, in taxes.

If the state secedes, they get nothing from Washington, so Texans would still have to see their state taxes raised to make up most of the difference.

Since Texas doesn't have a state income tax, they could pass a law to collect one. My guess is that it would be nowhere near as much as the Federal Income tax they would no longer have to pay.

An export tax on all fuel leaving the state would make income tax unnecessary.




Of course, Chicago would be a much colder place.

 

[Samson]

so what? come to Canada. Everyone else does

Gas in Canada is about $2/liter.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are not a Republican, so you are just farting air, bripat. You are a libertarian, a rather poor one.

We crush little fakes like you, bripat, and it is fun.

Who is "we," Fakey? If you ever showed your ugly mug in any of the meetings of conservatives I've been to, you would be run out of there at the end of a pitch fork.
You're a bogus Republican. If you're actually registered as a Republican, it's only so you can undermine the party. Not a single Republican in this forum believes you are legit, yet you claim you have hundreds of followers.

Who do you think you're fooling?

You're a buffoon, Fakey. Everyone is laughing at you, even the libturds.

Who do you think you're fooling?

Far more than you. I destroyed the libertarian and racist wings here. I forced the Tea Party folks to stop shouting in the town meetings here. And we got a good non-TP asskissing Republican elected to Congress.

We don't need or want your types, bripat.

And there are 100s of local leaders like me throughout the South and growing. GOP were helpful in defeating Walsh, West, Akin, and Mourdouch. In particular look at the GOP ads led by McCain against Akin. That is what is going to happen in the primaries in two years if the TP brats fail to mild.

And neither do you, dipstick.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Every nickel everyone in that state has paid in, and might expect to benefit from some day,

would be gone.

Did you factor that into your calculations?

who gives a fuck?

moranic libtards must make mountains out of cow pies.

They got a little over 600,000 sigs from all 50 states. That's not enough if they all came from RI to get RI to secede.


Obama let people die so he could get enough sleep to go on tv.

Look Over There Liberals!! A Conservative Is Doing Something Funny!! So It's Far More Important!!

 

[bripat9643]

You are not a Republican, so you are just farting air, bripat. You are a libertarian, a rather poor one.

We crush little fakes like you, bripat, and it is fun.

Who the fuck is "we," Fakey? You're suffering delusions of having someone on your side. RINO's like you are being purged from the party. TEA Partiers and libertarian candidates did not get purged.

Arlen Specter
Dick Lugar
Lincoln Chaffee
Bob Bennet

They all got the boot.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are the RINO, bripat, and you are done. Your "victories" you mutthead cost us the Senate, along with Christine O'Doofus, and Sharon Benthead and Akin and Mourdouch. That is why we lost two seats, because of your types that nominated assholes who got beat.

We lost the election because of hatred by people like you.

You are being told by the big dogs like Christie and Rubio and the rest, 'no more' or you are finished.

We have done it here in my town, my counties, my region. We have done it elsewhere. We will run opponents and finance them against the TP and extremist-hating doosheads of the far rights in 2014.

Your time is over.

 

[bripat9643]

You're delusional, Fakey. Libertarians are the biggest faction within the Republican Party. RINO's are dwindling. We've seen what they get us, more socialism. This country needs a capitalist party, not another "me too" socialist party.

Just hope I never find out where you live. I'll make sure the Republicans there run you out of the party.

You are the RINO, bripat, and you are done. Your "victories" you mutthead cost us the Senate, along with Christine O'Doofus, and Sharon Benthead and Akin and Mourdouch. That is why we lost two seats, because of your types that nominated assholes who got beat.

We lost the election because of hatred by people like you.

You are being told by the big dogs like Christie and Rubio and the rest, 'no more' or you are finished.

We have done it here in my town, my counties, my region. We have done it elsewhere. We will run opponents and finance them against the TP and extremist-hating doosheads of the far rights in 2014.

Your time is over.

 

[Toro]

You're delusional, Fakey. Libertarians are the biggest faction within the Republican Party.

During the 2004 Republican convention, the biggest self-described singular faction of Republicans was "evangelicals" at 33%.

 

[Toro]

You are the RINO, bripat, and you are done. Your "victories" you mutthead cost us the Senate, along with Christine O'Doofus, and Sharon Benthead and Akin and Mourdouch. That is why we lost two seats, because of your types that nominated assholes who got beat.

Angle, O'Donnell, Aiken and Murdock. Four Tea Party Senate candidates who blew it in states the Republicans should have won over the past two years.